The Stanley Tow Story - The Truth

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Dear SDP,

My name is Stanley Tow. I live in Toronto, Canada. I was born in Singapore in 1966, and I still hold my Singapore NRIC.

Your party makes no platform towards overseas Singaporeans who left as children and are now barred from their nation of birth simply because they were born as males and have chosen to live abroad.

I left the country when I was 15 to study in Canada. Along the way, I decided to make Canada home. Unfortunately, my family found out the hard way that being born a male in Singapore dooms his chances of returning home. It was impossible to relinquish my Singaporean citizenship because the nation felt I had owed it national service simply because I was born there and had a duty to serve in its defense.

Our laws implied that to have turned 16 while in another country and making the adult decision to remain in another country was tantamount to committing a crime against Singapore. So sometime between leaving Singapore at 15 and obtaining my citizenship in Canada at 16, in Singapore, I had committed a crime.

My efforts to relinquish my Singaporean citizenship was denied because I had to face my punishment for committing a crime against Singapore, and until I resolve the fines and penalties and duties being born a male child in Singapore, I could not relinquish my citizenship unless I turn up for National Service (NS).

Let me repeat that, but put simpler. According to Singapore, a child of 16 had committed a crime against the state. Not only that, there was no way I could relinquish my citizenship. It is like entering a restaurant and not being allowed to leave until you have been forced to eat its food and pay for it.

It cannot be that a nation binds native born persons this way and render them with less rights than foreign workers who can buy homes and raise children here while holding a foreign passport. There is a population of males who left the country and who are now barred simply because of NS. I am one of them.

I can only appeal to your reasonableness. There is no way a child of 15 can choose to leave his place of birth. My parents sent me here for an opportunity to study abroad. There should be no crime in that. Along the way, the child grows into an adult and life creates its own inertia in the new country.

I don't believe that when I was sent here to study in high school, I had intended a future where I would be barred from seeing my aunts and uncles ever again. I miss them dearly, and they miss their nephews too. My parents have never voted for the PAP since. By giving their children an opportunity for education, they had inadvertently condemned them from loved ones.

I have British and Canadian friends who can visit Singapore with more impunity than I can. They've even married Singaporean women but have the added benefit of being exempt from National Service because they will simply leave if ever forced to do so.

In effect, the Singaporean government has given more rights to foreign workers than to those born in the country. It is so fantastically unfair that we are deprived of our rights as minors and that a government can use NS to impose citizenship rights to its own citizens by birth which they do not do with foreigners. I find it ironic that I have less rights having been born there than a foreigner.

My English friends hold a foreign passport ready to leave the nation any time he should be asked to "volunteer" for NS. He is happily living and working in Singapore, has bought property, and raising his family there while I can't even visit any of my relatives, and I left as a child! I am now considered a fugitive.

I have asked what the fines or penalties will be without getting a straight answer. I still don't know what the penalties will be if I do visit. Most Commonwealth countries that respect the law will state the maximum fine or imprisonment you can get for particular crimes. Not so for children who have left Singapore and never returned. We can't, even if we are willing to pay the price to see loved ones.

This nation does not belong to the PAP to decide who gets to stay and who gets to stay out permanently. It is not for the PAP to decide who they can invite to work and stay in Singapore indefinitely. If I cannot be allowed to relinquish my citizenship, I must be allowed to vote. Unless you declare that the crime I have committed is so grave and that criminals of our nature are denied our votes.

My relatives are all getting old. They would like to see their nephews one more time. For all the Singaporeans who have left Singapore and are unable to return, I want to reach out to my family and relatives still in Singapore, and everyone else in a similar situation who has relatives and loved ones who miss them to give us a right to visit.

No child should have to grow up in another country to be barred from their families back home. We have not committed any heinous crime. We need to be absolved as having committed a crime against a nation we bore no ill will towards.

We need an opposition party who will take a stand on this issue.

STANLEY TOW
 
Dear Stanley

Let me take a stab at the truth which somehow seemed to be missing despite your lengthy post.

When you left for Canada at age 15, your Dad a wealthy antiques dealer in Singapore then did what a minority of wealthy parents use to do at that time. Sending their kids overseas on the pretext of education to avoid NS after A levels and then return after post grad and hope to get a soft posting for NS.. He thus sent you a year before registration. The timing was deliberate.

You did not do well in your studies and had a ball of a time. He then started an antiques business in Canada hoping that you will make something of it. You did not. The business was closed. You would fly to Malaysia each year, to KL and then to JB and put up at Pan Pacific Hotel facing the narrow straits and a side view of the causeway. You family will come over and take up and additional rooms to keep you company. A strain on everyone I presume. When you decided to get married to a local lass studying in Canada, the marriage again had to take place in JB. I wonder what your in laws thought of you and not to mention their friends who had to cross their causeway for the wedding.

Your daddy in the meantime had to confront SAF Provost Unit at they raided your family home during Chinese New Year.

98% of Singaporean males of your cohort and the cohort before and after, rich and poor would faithfully turn up at Dempsey for enrollment for NS. Not because they loved doing NS, but duty calls. Most completed with life and limb intact with a tiny minority not making out in wholesome form.

A small number who migrated before the after age of 11 made it back to Singapore to fulfill their obligation not because they loved Singapore or the bloody PAP but they had the foresight that they would like to be free travellers in years to come.

Then your Dad's business when downhill when China lifted the red curtain and antiques from China could be bought for a fraction of the price that your dad was selling.

Now that we have the truth out of the way, here is a tip. You are now in your 40s. Get in touch with SAF, tell them that you are coming and give your flight number. Things have changed. You will not be handcuffed but you will be met and taken to CMPB. You will then be charged in court. As you left at age 15 and not an adult then, this would be your strongest mitigation plea. This and your age will play a part and you may end up with a fine. Policy will not allow the authorities to make promises.

Many Singaporean in a similar position have taken this approach, taken their medicine and now are free.

Writing rubbish post to SDP and hoping for the law to be changed is not going to happen. Not because of the PAP but because all those who did NS will not allow it to happen. An opposition party taking govt will not change this policy. Many people will tell you the same. Get the picture Stan.
 
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Melvyn Tan (pianist) returned to Singapore (from UK) a few years ago and was fined $5k for leaving Singapore as a child and not returning to serve NS. No handcuffs. No jail. The most famous case was of course that of Tan Wah Piao. As there're political implications beside the NS offence, he dared not return to try and see what his treatment would be.
 
Dear Stanley Tow,

You are already 44 years old. You are such a chicken to serve the army. Why don't you stay in JB? There's an excellent thread in this forum called Living in JB. The weather there is better than the skull numbing freeze in Toronto.
 
Mr Stanley, 14 years ago when I was given that dreaded NS Enlistment letter, I too was in fear, feeling deeply anxious and not knowing what's in store for me..

But NS life was in a way quite a breeze for me.. Made many new friends during my BMT, some of whom are my lifelong buddies now.. There was this sissy in my platoon.. This Sissy became a ''She'' after ORD and is now plying her trade at Changi Village carpark.. Even ''she'' completed the 2 year duration of ''her'' NS..
If a Sissy can serve his NS obligations, then YOU can do it too! :)

Its not as if I loved serving NS.. Personally I feel its a waste of our youth having to serve the PAP bastard Govt.. But like it or not, all of us just got to grind our teeth and serve that 2 years and fuck off after that..

The Choice is Yours..:)
 
I was a section commander in 2nd Guards. I was very short 1.63m and weak, while my men were all towering above me. I still grit my teeth and soldier on. I even did reservist for many sickening years. One of my men also had a sex change to escape reservist, but not after we had a good laugh and made fun of him and congratulate him/her on his way to womanhood.
 
You ran away like a coward and now still is a coward. Come back, take your medicine and everything will work out for you. Either that or forget Singapore totally, we will not miss you.
 
hi there


1. such specimen is a total disgrace to the guy thing in sheepisland.
2. pls don't ever visit sheepishland.
 
..........government has given more rights to foreign workers than to those born in the country. It is so fantastically unfair that we are deprived of our rights as minors and that a government can use NS to impose citizenship rights to its own citizens by birth which they do not do with foreigners. I find it ironic that I have less rights having been born there than a foreigner. ......

I served NS, marched in NDP's and finished 15 years of reservist and I agree with Stanley Tow.

The issue is not NS but foreigners given more priviledge that locals .
I agree that all citizens must serve NS, those born locally and abroad.
Why should those born abroad be exempted-this I do not agree.
Because of PAP discrimination against local born, I urge all locals to give TT a good drubbing in this coming election and send the whole lot packing in the next.
 
The foreigners argument is a red herring by him. There are 2 debates. Don't mix it up. Both he and the foreigners have to do NS. He in fact is more culpable.




I served NS, marched in NDP's and finished 15 years of reservist and I agree with Stanley Tow.

The issue is not NS but foreigners given more priviledge that locals .
I agree that all citizens must serve NS, those born locally and abroad.
Why should those born abroad be exempted-this I do not agree.
Because of PAP discrimination against local born, I urge all locals to give TT a good drubbing in this coming election and send the whole lot packing in the next.
 
The foreigners argument is a red herring by him. There are 2 debates. Don't mix it up. Both he and the foreigners have to do NS. He in fact is more culpable.

Agree absolutely. His own cowardice and shirking of duty, then opportunistically bringing in foreigners to embellish his pointless points.
 
I served NS, marched in NDP's and finished 15 years of reservist and I agree with Stanley Tow.

The issue is not NS but foreigners given more priviledge that locals .
I agree that all citizens must serve NS, those born locally and abroad.
Why should those born abroad be exempted-this I do not agree.
Because of PAP discrimination against local born, I urge all locals to give TT a good drubbing in this coming election and send the whole lot packing in the next.

Have been trying since 1990 but always there are 60% idiots in the population.
 
Stanley should go fuck himself. His parents clearly wanted him to escape NS by sending him away. What the fuck is he talking about punishing a 16 year old? The law in this case is fucking his parents.
 
I served NS, marched in NDP's and finished 15 years of reservist and I agree with Stanley Tow.

The issue is not NS but foreigners given more priviledge that locals .
I agree that all citizens must serve NS, those born locally and abroad.
Why should those born abroad be exempted-this I do not agree.
Because of PAP discrimination against local born, I urge all locals to give TT a good drubbing in this coming election and send the whole lot packing in the next.

You have more rights to complain because you served NS and is a proper citizen. This Stanley never served and he is complaining? He has lost the rights to have any say since he abandoned the country.
 
To be fair to Stanley, his family are devout Catholics especially his grandparents and his Dad has given a lot to the Church including philanthropy. Unfortunately he lost everything.

But Stanley in his post did not admit to anything , did not see the flaw in his argument and naively thought it was something that Singaporeans could not be bothered about.

I had one guy in my cohort who committed suicide during NS. As he was the brightest spark in the family and coming from a low income family, they relied on him for the future. Eventually the strain was too much. The father and one sibling became depressed and killed themselves as well.

Stanley was not sent to Somalia. He went to Canada. Unlike many other other defaulters, he was not left high and dry. Daddy O set him up with a business as well.
 
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But Stanley in his post did not admit to anything , did not see the flaw in his argument and naively thought it was something that Singaporeans could not be bothered about.

Worse, he sent his appeal (whine) to SDP.
 
Dear Stanley

Let me take a stab at the truth which somehow seemed to be missing despite your lengthy post.

When you left for Canada at age 15, your Dad a wealthy antiques dealer in Singapore then did what a minority of wealthy parents use to do at that time. Sending their kids overseas on the pretext of education to avoid NS after A levels and then return after post grad and hope to get a soft posting for NS.. He thus sent you a year before registration. The timing was deliberate.

You did not do well in your studies and had a ball of a time. He then started an antiques business in Canada hoping that you will make something of it. You did not. The business was closed. You would fly to Malaysia each year, to KL and then to JB and put up at Pan Pacific Hotel facing the narrow straits and a side view of the causeway. You family will come over and take up and additional rooms to keep you company. A strain on everyone I presume. When you decided to get married to a local lass studying in Canada, the marriage again had to take place in JB. I wonder what your in laws thought of you and not to mention their friends who had to cross their causeway for the wedding.

Your daddy in the meantime had to confront SAF Provost Unit at they raided your family home during Chinese New Year.

98% of Singaporean males of your cohort and the cohort before and after, rich and poor would faithfully turn up at Dempsey for enrollment for NS. Not because they loved doing NS, but duty calls. Most completed with life and limb intact with a tiny minority not making out in wholesome form.

A small number who migrated before the after age of 11 made it back to Singapore to fulfill their obligation not because they loved Singapore or the bloody PAP but they had the foresight that they would like to be free travellers in years to come.

Then your Dad's business when downhill when China lifted the red curtain and antiques from China could be bought for a fraction of the price that your dad was selling.

Now that we have the truth out of the way, here is a tip. You are now in your 40s. Get in touch with SAF, tell them that you are coming and give your flight number. Things have changed. You will not be handcuffed but you will be met and taken to CMPB. You will then be charged in court. As you left at age 15 and not an adult then, this would be your strongest mitigation plea. This and your age will play a part and you may end up with a fine. Policy will not allow the authorities to make promises.

Many Singaporean in a similar position have taken this approach, taken their medicine and now are free.

Writing rubbish post to SDP and hoping for the law to be changed is not going to happen. Not because of the PAP but because all those who did NS will not allow it to happen. An opposition party taking govt will not change this policy. Many people will tell you the same. Get the picture Stan.

Hey, how do you know this guy's father is an antiques dealer? Is it a wild guess or what? Do u know this guy personally?
 
just serve n fuck off...

even if oppo forms the government, SAF Enlistment Act will remain. its more than serving NS, it concerns national security.

since its no choice, just go in serve, if you are damm sian and sibeh doo lan type, just serve -give the minimal that is expected - nothing more and 2 years later, fuck off. Every in-camp treat as extended break...since no choice might as well make the best out of it.

i was sibeh bochup but never sabo king...i put in my share for the platoon but neber stick up...never run in front, never run last...just flow along...2 years up, fuck off...
 
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