‘No NS, no plans to settle but still gets BTO?’ — Singaporean questions HDB rules for new citizens

Daft Sinkies just don't understand: the PAP regime has built so many HDB BTO pigeon holes, do they honestly believe every single one of them are meant for born and bred Sinkies? Do some simple maths and use your brain. :roflmao:
 
Daft Sinkies just don't understand: the PAP regime has built so many HDB BTO pigeon holes, do they honestly believe every single one of them are meant for born and bred Sinkies? Do some simple maths and use your brain.
The PAP knows that not every CECA is able to afford a condo, so HDB needs to build enough pigeon holes to house these Indians who will help to make up the 6.9 million population that the Govt is working towards.
 
Singkies voted for this...so don't complain. N its going to get worst...


Malaysia’s fresh graduates earn less than $700, struggle to find skilled work - VnExpress International​

By Hieu Nguyen

Tue 6/10/2025, 04:00 pm (PT)

Over 65% of fresh graduates in Malaysia start their careers earning less than RM3,000 (US$708) per month, barely enough to cover basic needs, according to a report.
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The finding, from a report titled The "Gaji Cukup Makan" Economy released in May by labor market research group Future Studies Berhad, includes those with bachelor’s, master’s and even PhD degrees.

For 23-year-old University of Reading Malaysia graduate Howard Ng, his monthly pay of around RM3,000 as a global occupier services executive leaves little wiggle room.

"A third of my salary goes to paying rent, the rest pays for daily necessities, especially food ... thankfully I am not currently paying off student loans," he told CNA.

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Yet even that level of pay is seen as excessive for fresh graduates like 23-year-old computer science graduate Andy Yap.

Over the four grueling months he spent applying for jobs after completing his studies at Asia Pacific University of Technology last September, Yap said he was repeatedly told by hiring managers that his expected salary of RM3,000 was "too much."

He eventually secured a software engineering job with a monthly pay of RM4,000, but said some of his friends with engineering degrees were offered starting salaries just slightly above RM1,000.

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People walk to their workplace during the morning rush at Kuala Lumpur city centre, Malaysia, Oct. 16, 2024. Photo by Reuters

People walk to their workplace during the morning rush at Kuala Lumpur city centre, Malaysia, Oct. 16, 2024. Photo by Reuters

Fresh graduates’ struggle with low entry-level wages is a long-standing issue and has become more troubling as real wages have stagnated for decades.

The starting salaries for fresh graduates today, typically between RM2,000-3,000, have only increased modestly in several decades, according to Tan Sri Muhammad Ibrahim, former governor of Bank Negara Malaysia—the country’s central bank.

"This equates to the purchasing power of RM300 – RM400 in the 1980s. In reality, wages have eroded by at least threefold," he said, adding that he used to earn RM1,300 monthly as a fresh graduate in 1984.

When adjusted for a 5% annual inflation rate, today's graduate salaries should be in the ballpark of RM7,000-8,000, he said early last month, as quoted by New Straits Times.

Similarly, a report by the PNB Research Institute found that, after adjusting for inflation, the median entry-level salary for tertiary qualification holders in Malaysia has declined significantly over the past 25 years—by 28% for those with a master’s degree and 10% for bachelor’s degree holders.

This means the median fresh graduate with a master's degree who joined the private sector for the first time in 2022 earned nearly one-third less than someone in the same position did in 1997, the report said.

This stagnation has left many graduates grappling with the cost of living and forced them to make difficult compromises, according to Diana Khairuddin, a human resource consultant at HR Edge.

"It’s a system that’s clearly out of sync with today’s economic realities and in urgent need of reform," she said.

Data from the Employees Provident Fund shows a single adult without a vehicle needs around RM1,530 per month to get by in Alor Setar city and up to RM1,930 in the Klang Valley, the country’s economic and urban hub.

26-year-old finance executive Nur Nafisah Hamdan shared that her lifestyle has been influenced by her salary.

She has adapted by cooking at home during the week and cutting back on dining out or ordering takeaways. For housing, she chose an older, more affordable place, even though it is not in her preferred area, she said.

"The reality is harsh for many fresh graduates as their pay does not align with the cost of living in urban areas," she told The Sun. "Most job offers are based on the government’s minimum salary, which is RM1,700."

Underemployment and skill mismatch

According to the PNBRI report, degree holders in 1997 earned 2.7 times more than those with SPM qualifications, which represent the completion of 11 years of schooling up to the secondary level. By 2022, this gap had narrowed to 1.7 times.

"The higher the qualification of an entry-level employee, the lower the salary has grown over the period," it concluded.

This points to a growing gap between the number of degree holders and the demand for their skills, which results in stagnant or even falling real wages for graduates, according to The Star.

Human Resources Minister Steven Sim noted that while Malaysia produces roughly 300,000 graduates annually, only about 50,000 skilled and well-paying positions are available.

As a result, many are forced to accept lower-skilled roles where their qualifications are underutilized, further suppressing wage growth.

The PNBRI report found that in 2021, as much as 55% of diploma holders and 44% of degree holders were overqualified for the jobs they landed.

Some experts believe the wage issue also stems from a skill mismatch as academic degrees may not prepare graduates for the growing demands of the digital and industrial economy.

Arulkumar Singaraveloo, CEO of the Malaysia HR Forum, pointed out that employers have raised concerns about the quality of Malaysian graduates.

Sharifah Hani Yasmin, a career consultant and founder of resume and CV reviewer SY Professional Review, noted that many graduates lack the industry exposure, such as internships and hands-on work experience, needed to meet employer expectations or justify higher pay.

"Unless there is a coordinated shift where academic institutions redesign programmes around real industry and companies take ownership of talent development, I believe this pattern (of underemployment) will continue to repeat," Sharifah said.

Yun Liu, HSBC’s ASEAN economist, said a skill mismatch limits how fast degree holders’ wages can grow.

Bridging this gap would require both the country to advance up the value chain collectively and its youth to align their education and skills with market demands, she noted.

‘Brain drain’ concerns

The lack of well-paying, skilled jobs at home has pushed many Malaysians to look abroad for better opportunities, adding to concerns of a "brain drain" in the country.

As of 2022, around 1.86 million Malaysians had migrated overseas, with 1.13 million settling in neighboring Singapore, TODAY reported, citing V. Sivakumar, Malaysia’s former human resources minister.

Of those residing in the city-state, roughly 39% were classified as skilled workers and 35% as semi-skilled, based on a government study published last year.

However, many of those who went abroad are not working in high-skilled roles.

Muhammad, the former central bank governor, said a rising number of Malaysians, drawn by higher wages, are crossing the border daily for manual labor roles.

"If Malaysia fails to transform its economic structure, we risk becoming a net exporter of labour rather than talent," he warned, as cited by New Straits Times.

"One day, our children could end up working as domestic helpers abroad — and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens."

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That's because there are too many university graduates and Jiu hu takes too long to produce one graduate.
In the US, it takes 21 years to produce a graduate. In ju hu, I think it's 24. And that is with out NS.
 
The PAP knows that not every CECA is able to afford a condo, so HDB needs to build enough pigeon holes to house these Indians who will help to make up the 6.9 million population that the Govt is working towards.
PAP only means of economic growth is to invite foreign investors and not much support for local Innovators like say creative is in or flextronic. The gomen should contribute in research in the field these companies are in and strengthen their grip in the market. The entire supply chain will benefit.
 
I know of an extremely well paid SG professional who continues to be called for NS ICT as a clerk. He is perfectly satisfied to be compensated with his obscene civilian salary while doing no-brainer work in an air-con office in camp for up to 2 weeks every year.
This call up has ceased its usefulness. The gomen is behind time. It's time they wake up and end it. If there is a need for NS, 3 months is sufficient.
 
https://theindependent.sg/no-ns-no-...aporean-questions-hdb-rules-for-new-citizens/

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SINGAPORE: After learning that a Malaysian couple — one of whom recently became a Singapore citizen — is applying for a Build-To-Order (BTO) flat despite having no plans to settle here long-term, a local took to social media to question whether public housing policies are really fair.

Posting on the r/askSingapore subreddit on Tuesday (June 10), he explained that both individuals were born in Malaysia. The male partner recently became a Singaporean citizen prior to the recent election, while the female partner remains a permanent resident.

According to the post, the couple had openly shared with others that they are not planning to live in Singapore permanently. Instead, they see the BTO flat primarily as an investment opportunity or a contingency plan. This prompted the man to question whether the current public housing system adequately serves citizens who have long-standing ties to the country and who plan to build their future here.

What particularly concerned him was the fact that the male partner did not serve National Service (NS), as he became a citizen in adulthood.

“The man didn’t serve national service because he became a citizen as an adult. Yet, by simply converting, he now has access to heavily subsidised public housing — and the PR partner gets to ride on that privilege too,” he wrote...................
Why Sinki so petty, these are rainmakers who made good jobs eg Grab for Sinki coolies
 
Tats show that is u got son just give birth at other country or best wife is from another country. After 20 yrs, apply job in sinkie tat is all. Aft 8 yrs can marry settled down with family.
 
The PAP knows that not every CECA is able to afford a condo, so HDB needs to build enough pigeon holes to house these Indians who will help to make up the 6.9 million population that the Govt is working towards.
Many many goodies de woh
SG is city of opportunity and possibilities for rainmakers, while Sinki pls shut up and work work work, please :)
 
Many many goodies de woh SG is city of opportunity and possibilities for rainmakers, while Sinki pls shut up and work work work, please :)
CECAs are "rainmakers" alright. They water the plants outdoors during a heavy downpour, but at least have the sense to hold an umbrella while doing so.

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That's because there are too many university graduates and Jiu hu takes too long to produce one graduate.
In the US, it takes 21 years to produce a graduate. In ju hu, I think it's 24. And that is with out NS.
So too many graduates? No brain drain?
 

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Xiaohongshu users share tips on applying for BTO while retaining overseas properties​


Social media discussions espercially on Xiaohongshu reveal new Singapore citizens and PRs exploring methods to retain overseas properties, particularly in Malaysia, while applying for subsidised Build-To-Order flats. Some share strategies such as transferring property ownership to parents or applying for retention under family residence grounds.

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On social media platforms, particularly Xiaohongshu (XHS), numerous posts are sharing detailed advice on how individuals can apply for Singapore’s Build-To-Order (BTO) public housing while retaining ownership of overseas properties.

These guides appear to target new Singapore citizens and permanent residents (PRs), addressing the demand from applicants who wish to keep overseas properties, particularly in neighbouring Malaysia, while securing a new HDB flat in Singapore.

Several users provide specific strategies for applicants who are reluctant to part with their Malaysian properties.

One commonly suggested method involves transferring the ownership of the overseas property to family members, typically parents, while the original owner continues to service the existing mortgage.
 
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