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The Irrational Fear and the cost of the Wuhan Virus, Is it worth it?

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Wuhan virus "fatality rate is lower than the flu" is downright misinformation. In another thread, I have clearly debunked the new "findings" about how "deadly" the flu is. They lump together 650,000 yearly death globally due to "influenza-related respiratory illnesses" - not the flu itself. But those flu vaccine salesmen and "quaranteen experts", etc would say : "globally, 650,000 die of the flu yearly". This is utter nonsense: The Chinese CDC figure for flu is : 2018, 700,000 cases with 147 death, giving a mortality of 0.02 %.

Why do you people keep on harping how deadly the seasonal flu is? The Wuhan epidemic is a totally different contagion.

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The treatment for the Wuhan virus is the same for the flu. N is the Wuhan virust more virulent than the flu?

 

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The treatment for the Wuhan virus is the same for the flu. N is the Wuhan virust more virulent than the flu?

I have already given you the figure from official China's CDC figures: 2018, 700,000 cases of flu with 147 death. What more do you need?

To have the "real" mortality rate for Wuhan virus, we need to have the recent cremation data from Hubei and Wuhan crematoriums, but Xi Jinping is the only person in the world who can view this data.
[EDIT]. Basically, there is no treatment for Wuhan virus. You never can find a tested cure for something so new. The person can only fight the virus through its own immune defense system.

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I have already given you the figure from official China's CDC figures: 2018, 700,000 cases of flu with 147 death. What more do you need?

To have the "real" mortality rate for Wuhan virus, we need to have the recent cremation data from Hubei and Wuhan crematoriums, but Xi Jinping is the only person in the world who can view this data.
[EDIT]. Basically, there is no treatment for Wuhan virus. You never can find a tested cure for something so new. The person can only fight the virus through its own immune defense system.

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So how is tat different from the flu?
 

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Amid fears of 80% revenue loss due to COVID-19 outbreak, restaurants hope for rent rebates
People seen wearing protective face masks at Orchard Road, Singapore on Jan 28. Singapore as of Jan 28 has confirmed five cases of the Wuhan coronavirus. (Photo: Gaya Chandramohan)

By Tang See Kit@SeeKitCNA
13 Feb 2020 06:48PM (Updated: 13 Feb 2020 06:50PM)
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SINGAPORE: Restaurant operators in Singapore are bracing for a significant hit on their revenue - with some expecting as much as an 80 per cent drop - over the next three months as tourists stay away and locals avoid public places amid the outbreak of a deadly novel coronavirus.
To avoid “a big collapse” in the food and beverage (F&B) industry, the Restaurant Association of Singapore (RAS) said on Thursday (Feb 13) that it has written to 24 major shopping mall landlords requesting for a temporary cut in rent.

“Looking at the situation right now, we are hoping at least 50 per cent rental rebate for the first 3 months,” said RAS president Vincent Tan
Rent and wages typically make up for more than half of a restaurant’s operating cost here. Meanwhile, profitability of restauranteurs has been low at about 1.7 per cent even before the virus outbreak, said Mr Tan, who is also the managing director of food service provider Select Group.
“If your sales drop by 50 per cent and your margin is about 1.7 per cent, you just imagine how difficult we are at this moment,” he told reporters.
READ: F&B, retail businesses in CBD feel pinch as people work from home amid coronavirus concerns


The industry group’s appeal to the landlords, including CapitaLand and Frasers Property, was sent out on Monday. Some landlords have responded, although none has committed to a rental rebate.
“So far, their response is towards wanting to understand this a little bit more and they want to speak to the individual tenants in more detail,” said RAS executive director Edwin Fong.
On the other hand, Jewel Changi Airport has reached out to its tenants with a 50 per cent rent rebate for February and March, Mr Tan told reporters, describing this as an “impactful decision” that will help restaurant operators to preserve jobs.
Katrina Group’s CEO Alan Goh told CNA that its So Pho store at Jewel Changi Airport has seen an 80 per cent drop in business after authorities raised its Disease Outbreak Response System Condition (DORSCON) level to Orange last Friday.
Describing the rent rebate as a helpful move, he said: “We hope we can appeal to the rest of the landlords to take up Jewel’s initiative.”
READ: Coronavirus outbreak: Singapore raises DORSCON level to Orange; schools to suspend inter-school, external activities
Other restaurant operators at the press conference echoed that and appealed for landlords to partner them through this difficult period.
RAS vice president Andrew Kwan pointed to how major shopping mall landlords in Hong Kong are offering cuts in February rent by as much as 60 per cent to help tenants ride out the effects of the coronavirus outbreak.
If there is no reduction in rent for local restaurant operators, it is likely that some players may have to close down “because it is not tenable to pay rent and wages while revenues are wiped out”, he added.
Noting that landlords have a “social responsibility to help (tenants) protect jobs”, RAS president advisor Andrew Tjioe said: “You can see how most of our landlords are performing financially – there is an imbalance of the distribution of income. Many of us are operating in the REIT malls and rents over there are increasing year by year. It’s a very heavy burden for F&B operators.”
“If we don’t survive, they too can’t survive,” added Mr Tjioe, founder of the Tung Lok chain of restaurants. “It’s better for us to work closely together.”
Apart from appealing to the landlords, the association said it has also been in constant dialogue with government agencies over the past two weeks.
In a letter addressed to Trade and Industry Minister Chan Chun Sing on Monday, it said it is hoping for help in the form of a suspension in foreign worker levy, wage support in terms of covering half the employers’ CPF contribution, higher access to working capital loans, as well as rental subsidies in government-owned and managed properties.


MEMBERS EXPECT 50-80% REVENUE LOSS OVER NEXT 3 MONTHS
RAS, which describes itself as the largest F&B association in Singapore, has more than 450 members that operate close to 4,000 outlets.
It had conducted a snap poll among its members since the start of the week. Among the 302 respondents as of Thursday noon, about 60 per cent indicated that they expect a loss in revenue of more than 50 per cent over the next three months.
For those that operate in locations that rely on tourist arrivals, the estimated loss in revenue could go up to 80 per cent, Mr Tan said.
READ: Firms must keep transforming even as they brace for hit from coronavirus, says Enterprise Singapore

READ: Singapore tourism to take 'significant hit' in 2020 due to coronavirus, up to 30% fewer visitors expected


In addition, close to 60 per cent of those polled said they are “not prepared or equipped” to deal with the COVID-19 outbreak due to several differences with the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak in 2003.
These differences include the absence of social media in 2003. News and photos of suspected cases visiting clinics in some malls, as well as ambulance and medical personnel leaving these malls in their protection equipment, that were circulating online have “aggravated” the fear factor, causing people to avoid visiting malls, said these restaurant operators.
The step up in the DORSCON level last week has also led to panic-buying in supermarkets. With households stocking up on food items, RAS said it expects restaurants to be “much less patronised”.
In addition, South Korea and Israel have told their citizens to defer travel to Singapore, while Indonesia and Taiwan have recommended precautions be taken when visiting the country.
Asked if orders from online food delivery platforms have provided any buffer, both Mr Tan and Mr Kwan said the drop in revenue at the restaurants is “way too high” to be offset by any marginal increase in online deliveries.
“This is actually just the beginning of the dip so all of us are very worried about the situation at the moment,” said Mr Tan. “We believe that the full impact of the virus has yet to come.”
Singapore currently has 50 confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus, now officially named COVID-19, one of the largest number of infections outside of China.
As of Wednesday, 15 people have recovered and discharged from hospital. Of the 35 confirmed cases still in hospital, eight are in the intensive care unit and in critical condition.
 

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The reason why there is a ground zero is because everyone is locked up in a city. instead of serious cases going to hospital n the not so I'll staying home to rest perpetuating the virus even more
going to the hospital ??.. dun joke lah.. the hospitals already closed the doors long ago.. no more beds... lack of medical staff, medical supplies... people are dropping dead on the streets... the 2 field hospitals built are more of a mortuary indeed... if you tell me if you dun panic... I chop my lan jiao and fried rice for you .. :geek:
 

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going to the hospital ??.. dun joke lah.. the hospitals already closed the doors long ago.. no more beds... lack of medical staff, medical supplies... people are dropping dead on the streets... the 2 field hospitals built are more of a mortuary indeed... if you tell me if you dun panic... I chop my lan jiao and fried rice for you .. :geek:
So are u saying that the Wuhan virus is worse than the flu? and those ppl that go to hospitals etc,,look at the crowds,,,not sick also will become sick,,,u think that is logical?
 

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So are u saying that the Wuhan virus is worse than the flu? and those ppl that go to hospitals etc,,look at the crowds,,,not sick also will become sick,,,u think that is logical?
tis is a killer flu.. which the wuhan govt grossly under estimated.. even Beijing oso made the same mistake...:geek:
 

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Mobile World Congress called off over coronavirus fears in Barcelona
Updated earlier today at 5:56am

A ZTE sign is pictured at Mobile World Congress as a crowd of people walk around. PHOTO: The Mobile World Congress draws more than 100,000 visitors annually. (Reuters: Aly Song)
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The Mobile World Congress (MWC) — the annual telecoms industry gathering that draws more than 100,000 visitors to Barcelona — has been cancelled after a mass exodus by exhibitors due to fears over the coronavirus outbreak.

Key points:
  • The announcement followed a crisis meeting of the GSMA board
  • The Chinese contingent at MWC has numbered 5,000-6,000 in recent years
  • Major Chinese exhibitors, led by Huawei, had stuck to plans to attend to the very last


Bowing to the inevitable, the GSMA telecoms association that hosts the get-together said it cancelled the event planned for February 24-27 despite assurances from local and national health officials it would have been safe to hold it.

"The GSMA has cancelled MWC Barcelona 2020 because the global concern regarding the coronavirus outbreak, travel concern and other circumstances, make it impossible for the GSMA to hold the event," GSMA CEO John Hoffman said in a statement.

The announcement followed a crisis meeting of the GSMA board, after its hand was forced by the pull-out of anchor European members including Deutsche Telekom, Vodafone, BT and Nokia.

Barcelona's Mayor, Ada Colau, earlier said she wanted to send a "message of calm", insisting the city was ready to host the event, while Spanish health officials reiterated there was no reason to call off the MWC.

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The World Health Organisation [WHO], the UN agency leading the coronavirus crisis response, had also called in vain for calm.

"There is no evidence at present to suggest that there is community spread outside China, so WHO is not currently requesting that large gatherings are cancelled," WHO spokesman Tarik Jasarevic said in Geneva.
That failed, however, to alleviate concerns among major exhibitors that the precautions would be insufficient to halt the virus that has spread beyond China's borders to two-dozen countries.

"To bring people together and connect them: That is what Telekom stands for. This is also what the Mobile World Congress, the 'class reunion' of our industry, stands for," Deutsche Telekom CEO Tim Hoettges posted on LinkedIn.

He added, however, that large gatherings of people with many international guests posed a particular risk.

"To take this risk would be irresponsible," he said.

Insurance payouts unlikely
A person in a blue full body medical suit walks in a corridor flanked by two others spraying disinfectant in large white smoke. PHOTO: The coronavirus has killed more than 1,100 people on the Chinese mainland. (Reuters: )


The Chinese contingent at MWC has numbered 5,000-6,000 in recent years, making the event particularly vulnerable given the outbreak of the virus that has killed more than 1,100 people on the Chinese mainland.

In its statement, the GSMA said the host cities and partners respected and understood its decision, adding that they would "continue to be working in unison" towards staging next year's event.

The decision to cancel the event was made harder by the terms under which any events insurance taken out by the GSMA would pay out, industry sources and insurance experts said.

This would be unlikely to kick in unless restrictions were imposed on public gatherings in the country on health grounds.

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"Where there is no ban and businesses make their own commercial decision, I cannot see the market paying out," Edel Ryan, who is on the Special Risks team at broker Marsh JLT Specialty, said before the GSMA's decision.

Major Chinese exhibitors, led by Huawei, stuck to plans to attend to the very last, ordering at-risk staff to isolate themselves in advance and drafting in replacements from elsewhere to run event stands and host clients.

The GSMA had banned attendees from China's Hubei province, where the coronavirus outbreak began, and required others to prove they had been outside the country for at least two weeks prior to the event.

Coronavirus has proved to be contagious even when people who have caught it are asymptomatic, meaning people attending might not even realise they could infect others they meet at MWC.

Tracking the meetings and movements across the trade grounds and the city of Barcelona of anyone who later tested positive would be a difficult task.
 

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Isnt influenza B worse than the Wuhan Virus?

16-year-old Virginia girl dies days after being diagnosed with the flu
16-year-old Virginia girl dies days after being diagnosed with the flu
Published: 02/12/20 12:37 pm EST
LEESBURG, Va. (WUSA) — Katie Giovanniello spent the last healthy day of her life shopping with her mom and sisters. Five days later, the 16-year-old went into cardiac arrest in her mother's arms, after being diagnosed with Influenza B. She passed away at 3:55 a.m. on Friday, Feb. 7 at Inova Children's Hospital in Fairfax.

Katie went to bed on Saturday, Feb. 1 with plans of going to yoga with her family the next morning. Instead, she woke up not feeling well and asked to see a doctor. Katie's mom, Colette Giovanniello, said she took Katie to Urgent Care that Sunday, where she was diagnosed with the flu and given a prescription for Tamiflu. Colette said doctors told her to keep her daughter hydrated.

Colette said her daughter vomited several times over the next few days, which she said she was told was a possible side effect of Tamiflu. While Katie's symptoms all seemed typical of the flu, she didn't seem to be getting any better. She was clammy, tired and wasn't keeping food down, but she never spiked a high fever. All Katie seemed to want to do was cuddle in her mother's bed.

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"I held her and comforted her, never knowing my daughter was dying in my arms," Colette said through tears.

On Thursday morning, Colette said she was giving her daughter a bath when she went into cardiac arrest in her arms. Katie's 17-year-old sister, Nicole, is a lifeguard and performed CPR until an ambulance arrived, Colette said. Katie was originally taken to Inova Loudoun Hospital, but later transferred to Inova Children's Hospital in Fairfax.

Katie was put on life support, but Colette said she was told that after exhaustive measures to resuscitate her daughter, Katie showed no brain activity. She passed away at 3:55 a.m. Friday.

Katie, a sophomore, attended Heritage High School, along with her twin sister Danielle, and their older sister Nicole, who is a senior at the school.

Jeff Adams, principal of Heritage High, notified parents of Katie's sudden passing in a letter sent Friday morning. Adams said that emotional support counselors were on standby at the school, and also noted that several planned events at the school would be canceled out of respect for Katie's family.

"As many of you no doubt are, I am deeply saddened by this news," Friday's letter read. "A traumatic event can evoke a wide range of reactions, and I know that the Heritage community shares in the family’s loss and grief ... The safety and well-being of our students is always our main priority, and we are prepared to support our students’ emotional needs as they arise. With that being said, we will have additional counselors at school today who will be available to help any students with questions they may have or difficulties they might experience."

Colette said she and her daughters are grateful for the outpouring of love and support they've been shown from the school community, as well as families she didn't even know knew Katie. Colette described her daughter as the kind of girl who "found family everywhere she went." She'd have dinner with the parents of her friends, and call them mom and dad.

"I shared her with everyone," Collete said. "I didn't know how much she was loved until now."

Colette said she hopes that Katie's death will serve as a warning, and that "everyone will take the flu seriously."

"I never could have imagined," Collete said, "that an otherwise healthy 16-year-old would die from the flu."

An exact cause of death was not yet released.

An autopsy will not be performed because Katie's death was considered a "natural death," and it does not fall under the jurisdiction of the medical examiner, officials with Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Virginia said.

While the novel coronavirus has become the latest international scare — killing more than 1,000 people so far — flu-related illnesses are on the rise. There have been 12,000 flu-related deaths so far this season in the United States, according to the Center for Disease Control.

So far, Maryland has seen 22 adult deaths and three pediatric deaths, according to a report from the Maryland Department of Health.

Compare that to Virginia, which reports 773 adult flu-related deaths this season, but zero pediatric deaths. Flu activity in Virginia has been listed as widespread for the last 10 weeks, per the Virginia Department of Health, which the report shows started earlier than last flu season.

The Department of Health for the District of Columbia did not have data on adult deaths available to the public, but reports zero pediatric flu-related deaths this season.

A GoFundMe has been set up in Katie's honor.

©2020 by 10TV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
 

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Isnt influenza B worse than the Wuhan Virus?

16-year-old Virginia girl dies days after being diagnosed with the flu
16-year-old Virginia girl dies days after being diagnosed with the flu
Published: 02/12/20 12:37 pm EST
LEESBURG, Va. (WUSA) — Katie Giovanniello spent the last healthy day of her life shopping with her mom and sisters. Five days later, the 16-year-old went into cardiac arrest in her mother's arms, after being diagnosed with Influenza B. She passed away at 3:55 a.m. on Friday, Feb. 7 at Inova Children's Hospital in Fairfax.

Katie went to bed on Saturday, Feb. 1 with plans of going to yoga with her family the next morning. Instead, she woke up not feeling well and asked to see a doctor. Katie's mom, Colette Giovanniello, said she took Katie to Urgent Care that Sunday, where she was diagnosed with the flu and given a prescription for Tamiflu. Colette said doctors told her to keep her daughter hydrated.

Colette said her daughter vomited several times over the next few days, which she said she was told was a possible side effect of Tamiflu. While Katie's symptoms all seemed typical of the flu, she didn't seem to be getting any better. She was clammy, tired and wasn't keeping food down, but she never spiked a high fever. All Katie seemed to want to do was cuddle in her mother's bed.

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"I held her and comforted her, never knowing my daughter was dying in my arms," Colette said through tears.

On Thursday morning, Colette said she was giving her daughter a bath when she went into cardiac arrest in her arms. Katie's 17-year-old sister, Nicole, is a lifeguard and performed CPR until an ambulance arrived, Colette said. Katie was originally taken to Inova Loudoun Hospital, but later transferred to Inova Children's Hospital in Fairfax.

Katie was put on life support, but Colette said she was told that after exhaustive measures to resuscitate her daughter, Katie showed no brain activity. She passed away at 3:55 a.m. Friday.

Katie, a sophomore, attended Heritage High School, along with her twin sister Danielle, and their older sister Nicole, who is a senior at the school.

Jeff Adams, principal of Heritage High, notified parents of Katie's sudden passing in a letter sent Friday morning. Adams said that emotional support counselors were on standby at the school, and also noted that several planned events at the school would be canceled out of respect for Katie's family.

"As many of you no doubt are, I am deeply saddened by this news," Friday's letter read. "A traumatic event can evoke a wide range of reactions, and I know that the Heritage community shares in the family’s loss and grief ... The safety and well-being of our students is always our main priority, and we are prepared to support our students’ emotional needs as they arise. With that being said, we will have additional counselors at school today who will be available to help any students with questions they may have or difficulties they might experience."

Colette said she and her daughters are grateful for the outpouring of love and support they've been shown from the school community, as well as families she didn't even know knew Katie. Colette described her daughter as the kind of girl who "found family everywhere she went." She'd have dinner with the parents of her friends, and call them mom and dad.

"I shared her with everyone," Collete said. "I didn't know how much she was loved until now."

Colette said she hopes that Katie's death will serve as a warning, and that "everyone will take the flu seriously."

"I never could have imagined," Collete said, "that an otherwise healthy 16-year-old would die from the flu."

An exact cause of death was not yet released.

An autopsy will not be performed because Katie's death was considered a "natural death," and it does not fall under the jurisdiction of the medical examiner, officials with Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Virginia said.

While the novel coronavirus has become the latest international scare — killing more than 1,000 people so far — flu-related illnesses are on the rise. There have been 12,000 flu-related deaths so far this season in the United States, according to the Center for Disease Control.

So far, Maryland has seen 22 adult deaths and three pediatric deaths, according to a report from the Maryland Department of Health.

Compare that to Virginia, which reports 773 adult flu-related deaths this season, but zero pediatric deaths. Flu activity in Virginia has been listed as widespread for the last 10 weeks, per the Virginia Department of Health, which the report shows started earlier than last flu season.

The Department of Health for the District of Columbia did not have data on adult deaths available to the public, but reports zero pediatric flu-related deaths this season.

A GoFundMe has been set up in Katie's honor.

©2020 by 10TV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

More than 600,000 people die from flu annually. Even though there is vaccine available for the prevailing strains many just ignore the dangers and don't bother getting vaccinated.

The price they pay can be devastating.
 

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More than 600,000 people die from flu annually. Even though there is vaccine available for the prevailing strains many just ignore the dangers and don't bother getting vaccinated.

The price they pay can be devastating.
Flu vaccines does not protect against all strains. N despite temiflu n vaccines n all that jazz, flu is more deadly than this wuhan virus. Why no panic and disruption caused by flu? All these problems caused by the wuhan virus. Is it even logical?
 

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Flu vaccines does not protect against all strains. N despite temiflu n vaccines n all that jazz, flu is more deadly than this wuhan virus. Why no panic and disruption caused by flu? All these problems caused by the wuhan virus. Is it even logical?

I said "prevailing" strains not "all" strains.

There is panic because people are stupid.
 
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