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Suddenly you find your savings is worth 25% lesser the day before

lifeafter41

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Spoke to a Japanese friend of mine that was visiting over last week.
We spoke on the National day in Singapore and touch on a little on both side of the government.

He brought up that due to Abenomics, his saving bought 25% less stuff, due to it.
I recall the exchange rate used to be JPY100 to S$1.61 but now it's to S$1.22.

He is a very hardworking person, 1 kid, wife not working, looking after the kid.
Stayed in the outskirt of Tokyo, about 45 to 1 hour away from work, daily commute, all in about 2.5 hour.
Small place, less then 800sq ft. Can't remember how much it cost back then, as he did tell me how much he bought it.

Asked him about how he felt about his future and himself and his kid.
He didn't reply, but can see that he is very worried.
Will the yen drop another 25% or more due to Abenomics? and even buy less, should he spent it now and worry later.
 

SNTCK

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TRUE also. My parents also didn do any investment.
And they only keep their money in FD.
While their friends, huat big in property and shares.

my parents still so poor.
 

syed putra

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Japan should be very worried. Not only are they squeezed by cheaper products from korea and china, they now found too late german car prices are getting affordable. Golf r and audi s3 quattro same price as subaru impreza. Which car will you buy ?german cars are more comfortable and mature looking.
 

Scrooball (clone)

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Spoke to a Japanese friend of mine that was visiting over last week.
We spoke on the National day in Singapore and touch on a little on both side of the government.

He brought up that due to Abenomics, his saving bought 25% less stuff, due to it.
I recall the exchange rate used to be JPY100 to S$1.61 but now it's to S$1.22.

He is a very hardworking person, 1 kid, wife not working, looking after the kid.
Stayed in the outskirt of Tokyo, about 45 to 1 hour away from work, daily commute, all in about 2.5 hour.
Small place, less then 800sq ft. Can't remember how much it cost back then, as he did tell me how much he bought it.

Asked him about how he felt about his future and himself and his kid.
He didn't reply, but can see that he is very worried.
Will the yen drop another 25% or more due to Abenomics? and even buy less, should he spent it now and worry later.

Why don't he come to Singapore to try out Loong-nomics? Increase GST can help the poor!
 

krafty

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abe will be out of job soon...tsk...tsk...

Japanese economy: Where does it stand and what lies ahead?

http://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/whats-up-forex-doc-midyear-check-up/2014/08/01/


Is Abenomics working?

Recent figures on Japan’s output show the largest drop since the 2011 earthquake and a significant reduction in consumers spending are hinting the Ministry’s inflationary strategy is not working as anticipated.

Continued weakness in the Japanese Yen may help large exporters, lately reporting increase in profits. However, inventories are on the rise because exports to emerging markets, China and U.S. have been unable to compensate the drop in domestic demand.

Domestic Japanese consumption dropped from May after the hike in the sales tax, now at 8%. Consumers have reacted “by cutting spending, with retail sales falling more than expected in June, and household spending dropping for a third month”, explains Bloomberg’s analyst Keiko Ujikane, commenting recent data.

Some analysts are particularly cynical of current plans to further increase the Japanese consumption tax to 10% by the end of 2014. A decision Finance Minister Taro Aso is still evaluating, given also an anticipated GDP rebound of 2.4% in Q3. However should not forget that the 1997 decision to hike the tax from 3% to 5% – by then-prime minister Ryutaro Hashimoto – triggered a 20-month recession and a recovering trend in retail sales at that time went into reverse for about a decade.

What Japan needs

Abenomics is not yet working as hoped and the so-called “third arrow”, the competitiveness part of the Prime Minister's agenda, is still lacking. Fiscal and monetary arrows can only do so much without structural changes.

In June 2014, a bundle of new and apparently sound structural changes has been unveiled by Shinzo Abe, including strengthening corporate governance and increasing women's participation in the workforce. But Bloomberg analysts noted that “they fall short of the frontal attack on labor, immigration and tax laws that Japan still needs”.

Concerns shared by David Lipton, first deputy managing director of the IMF, who mentioned that IMF “main concern is whether Japan could forcefully implement structural reforms to shore up its sliding potential growth and export competitiveness”, Reuters reports.

It appears that Abe would do more to strengthen Japan if he refocused his energies where they are most needed, i.e. at home, where he faces opposition from both major business lobbies and within his own party. The Prime Minister, on the other hand, has been busy on managing rivalry with China, and recently traveling across Australasia in a five-nation visit of frustrated attempts to boost exports.

The Prime Minister is also spending some of his dwindling political capital on a new security policy that, even if makes sense, and it is obviously supported by the United States, it's unpopular. In fact, Abe’s government “recently revised Japan's position on defending friends and allies that come under attack, softening the country's post-war commitment to pacifism”, Bloomberg reports.

Fiscal and Monetary policy

With the second highest debt/GDP ratio in the world after U.S., real incomes have been under pressure since the sales tax increase in April, a rise required to get Japan's public debt back under control. Meanwhile, “companies are sitting on $2.3 trillion in cash, rather than investing it in new machinery or raising wages”, according to Bloomberg.

Monetary stimulus has driven down the Yen, but that only partially boosted exports while making imports more expensive. Domestic prices are rising, too — as intended — but, with consumers retracting, the Bank of Japan's ability to raise inflation to its two percent target is still in doubt.

The degree BOJ has begun shifting its focus from supporting growth to phasing out the massive stimulus, to end two decades of deflation and fitful growth, is yet unclear. Certainly the BOJ, at this point in time, can still engage a longer-than-expected easing "JQE2" cycle.IMF’s David Lipton thinks the Yen is “slightly undervalued against Japan's medium-to long-term economic fundamentals” and sees this trend correcting itself over time.

Lipton also said the “BOJ's current policy is appropriate and he saw no need for the bank to prepare an exit or ease policy more forcefully, although it should remain vigilant against risks such as return of deflation.” (Reuters)

How global macro factors affect Japan and the Yen

Although Japan is mainly driven by domestic economy, it is still important to understand how the major macro factors are likely to affect its prospects and currency.

At the moment the main global themes, along with Abenomics,are the US Fed tapering and Bank of England anticipating a potential hike, the ECB swamped in a deflation battle and China slowdown.

The Obama administration had to face the “fiscal cliff” conflict and forcefully cut expenditures. The U.S. government has recovered to a certain level,”but it cannot avoid fiscal reconstruction, especially cutting the national defense budget” according to Chugoku-keizaiSuitai de Donaru Nihon (The Chinese Economic Slowdown — How Does It Affect Japan?).

The FED is showing signs that a rate hike may happen early in 2015 and tapering continues. The effects of tapering are negative for emerging markets as it could result in large scale capital outflows, with potential tightening liquidity in China and other BRICs. However, there are discording views.

Frederic Neumann, head of Asian Economics Research at HSBC,maintains that tapering of QE in the U.S. isn't going to have a large impact on China, because the BOJ will continue easing. BOJ announced plans to nearly double its monetary base to $2.9 trillion by the end of 2014, to pump money into a flagging Japanese economy, and it is potentially just at the start of ramping up its quantitative easing and expanding its balance sheet. "The BOJ is easing a lot and some liquidity created should offset the withdrawal of liquidity by the FED”, Neumann said.

Moving to the effects of the European crisis on Japan, Atsushi Nakajima, chairman of Research Institute of Economy, Trade and Industry explains that “Japan’s exports to the EU are just 10% of its total exports”, so decreases in exports have a minimal effect on the Japanese economy.

Exports accounted in 2013 for a mere 15.1% of total Japanese economic output, or $715.2 billion, translating to roughly $5,627 for every person in the country. By exports as a share of GDP, Japan is in 137th position, in a chart ranking 147 countries. “Another chart – for inward foreign direct investment as a proportion of GDP over the past three decades – showed Japan at number 184 out of 185 countries”.

And finally, the China slowdown, an inevitable ongoing event that not necessary means doom and gloom for the global economy, including Japan. It really depends on how China will rebalance its internal economy and hopes are the transition from a credit and export driven economy to one driven by consumer growth will be smooth. Professor Micheal Pettis of University of Peking,compares the challenges of China’s economy with those of Japan during the 1990s, suggesting that orderly rebalancing could prevent social unrest. “As Japan was forced to rebalance its economy after 1990, one of the implications was that household income and consumption grew as a share of overall GDP, just as it must in China.”

Japan has reduced its total exports to China from 23% in 2011 to around 20% in 2013, same levels as Brazil and Malaysia, and would certainly suffer less than Australia and South Korea from a continued slowdown in China.

Technical view of USD / Yen and what lies ahead for the Japanese currency

Considering the continued intervention of BOJ and the risk of extension of “JQE2”, the uncertainty on the execution and effectiveness of Abe’s “third arrow”, the Damocles sword of an additional two percent sales tax increase by end of 2014; and, on the side, the Dollar strength, a recovering economy in US and the prospects for a rate hike in 2015; plus a downward pressure on exports due the European crisis and the China slowdown, it seems there is enough to believe that the Japanese Yen will be subjected to continued downward pressure.

In the figure below is a weekly chart of the USD / JPY forex pair showing participation of professional traders and classes of algorithmic getting involved on the long side around the 94 area. This offers confirmation to provided fundamental outlook.


Figure – Weekly chart of USD / JPY showing upward pressure

Algosand professional traders are looking at targets in the 108.30 area, and as high as 115.80, before profit taking may kick in and bring the pair back to the 108 area. On the daily timeframe the support area starting at 101.50 has been able to hold price higher since the beginning of 2014. Higher prices into the indicated targets should be anticipated in the coming 6 months.
 

frenchbriefs

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He should be happy Japan hasnt start embracing the PAPee nomics of Cheaper Better Faster......soon Japan will be seeing hordes of tiongs,pinoys and shitskins!!
 

Runifyouhaveto

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While their friends, huat big in property and shares.

Your parents just happened to be more prudent. I also know a lot of examples who flopped in properties and shares. Do you want parents who maximum loan from bank for their shares or properties, lose money come back throw tempers at you?

We only lived once, after losing, cannot restart like a game.
 
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SNTCK

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Your parents just happened to me more prudent. I also know a lot of examples who flopped in properties and shares. Do you want parents who maximum loan from bank for their shares or properties, lose money come back throw tempers at you?

We only lived once, after losing, cannot restart like a game.

I didn ask my parents to overstretch themselves. But learn how to invest some of their money.
 

Runifyouhaveto

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I didn ask my parents to overstretch themselves. But learn how to invest some of their money.

Just my personal thoughts.

We are in the ocean, so we try to swim as fast as possible. (learn to invest)

If they never jumped into the ocean, then let them be.
because you will never forgive yourself for jumping into the ocean in the first place, if you are drowned (bankrupt)
 

frenchbriefs

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why should investing necessary lead to failure?after all our cpf guarantees us 2.5% interest and thats a form of investing.

Just my personal thoughts.

We are in the ocean, so we try to swim as fast as possible. (learn to invest)

If they never jumped into the ocean, then let them be.
because you will never forgive yourself for jumping into the ocean in the first place, if you are drowned (bankrupt)
 

SNTCK

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Just my personal thoughts.

We are in the ocean, so we try to swim as fast as possible. (learn to invest)

If they never jumped into the ocean, then let them be.
because you will never forgive yourself for jumping into the ocean in the first place, if you are drowned (bankrupt)

Both of them are retirees . I think they are happy person now.
Although they only have one small HDB flat.
 

frenchbriefs

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I consider those as savings, like FD, CPF, Bonds, etc.

Of course, savings is a form of investment. You stand corrected.

wrong i consider investment as anything with reasonable risk/reward expectations over a reasonable timeframe.....like u expect property to generate maybe 8 to 12% income a year or bonds with 2 to 5% returns a year......if ur expecting an investment to return like 200% in one year....thats called speculation.
 

frenchbriefs

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Both of them are retirees . I think they are happy person now.
Although they only have one small HDB flat.

as long as ur happy as a family unit thats good enough,money can be easily earned....like u said ur parents wasnt into investing,so why dont u break the cycle invest and get rich and give ur parents some money?
 

rushifa666

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the peak of singapore has gone by. you will not be able to save as much as parents. inflation, even by a conservative estimate is 10-16%. good luck trying to cover that with your pathetic cpf investments. see the real numbers not the lies
 

winnipegjets

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Spoke to a Japanese friend of mine that was visiting over last week.
We spoke on the National day in Singapore and touch on a little on both side of the government.

He brought up that due to Abenomics, his saving bought 25% less stuff, due to it.
I recall the exchange rate used to be JPY100 to S$1.61 but now it's to S$1.22.

He is a very hardworking person, 1 kid, wife not working, looking after the kid.
Stayed in the outskirt of Tokyo, about 45 to 1 hour away from work, daily commute, all in about 2.5 hour.
Small place, less then 800sq ft. Can't remember how much it cost back then, as he did tell me how much he bought it.

Asked him about how he felt about his future and himself and his kid.
He didn't reply, but can see that he is very worried.
Will the yen drop another 25% or more due to Abenomics? and even buy less, should he spent it now and worry later.

Rule of thumb, when interest rate is low, invest in equities.
 

lifeafter41

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He should be happy Japan hasnt start embracing the PAPee nomics of Cheaper Better Faster......soon Japan will be seeing hordes of tiongs,pinoys and shitskins!!

You will be surprised by the number of Indians, Chinese and even Filipinoes in Japan, specifically in Tokyo and Osaka, nevertheless, they still constitute a very small minority vis a vis to the Japanese population. Where unlike in Singapore, its almost 1 to 3.

As for hordes of them, I doubt the current government will do it as integration is a still a big problem.
They are not known to embrace foreigners easily, especially the older ones.
 

johnny333

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I consider those as savings, like FD, CPF, Bonds, etc.

Of course, savings is a form of investment. You stand corrected.



I do not think we will ever get our CPF back. If we do it will be at a deep discount.:(

Fortunately for me I have always put something away & invested it in equities. When I started I was a newbie & relied on tips & rumours:o I invested in Spore, Malaysian & US shares. I made the most $ investing in US equities. Less so in Malaysian shares & mostly losses in Spore shares.

As a result of my investments I now don't need to worry about $. I don't even have to sell any of my shares for $ because I am getting regular dividends

In Spore I had most of my investments in unit trusts & they are the worse types of investment instruments.
As a result of my negative experience I am now totally out of the Spore market. I would caution people from investing in Spore because of the potential problems from the impending death of LKY. After his death many of the skeletons may be revealed. It may be so bad that LHL & his family may have to run road:confused:
 
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