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Social divide is a product of PAP policies...

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I was looking through the social mobility data of Singapore more or less one of the worse among developed countries. Not only do we have the most unequal society, the ability to climb up from lower classes up is also pretty. Highest mobility is found in Scandinavian countries. Typically east Asian countries like Japan Taiwan also have high social mobility so do Oceanic countries like Australia and NZ. But social mobility is very low in Singaporec contrary to claims made by the PAP. If a society is truly meritocratic, every child has equal access to opportunity but that is not the case for singapore. It is through poitical euphemisms and exceptional examples that the PAP paint a false picture of healthy meritocracy and high social moibility.

I learned quickly about the reality shortly after my A levels when i could not get a place in university. I went to appeal in my No, 4 only to find so many foreigers studying in the university I could not get in. Shortly after IORD, I said good bye to all my rich friends whose parents sent them overseas for their degree....every single one of them had poorer A level results than me came back with a degree in their pockets 3 yrs later to work as professionals. I found a few jobs in fast food restaurants. By limiting access to university education, the pap greatly disadvange poorer singaporeans without the means to go overseas to get a degree.

When i worked in fast food resurants, i quickly found what it is like to be near the bottom of a 3rd world wage structure . As I got to know my co workers qith families, i realised how impossible it is to raise one with such low salaries. They had lots of debt from housing, and costly medical bills . Years of low wage and foreign labor policies caused this. It is really terrible if you think abt it- we are living in one of the most expensiuve cities in the world with lowest wages for the bottom 30% in the developed world.

The PAP overspends on defense, underspends on healthcare and transport causing a deterioration in the quality of life of ordinary Singaporeans. Recently a Singaporean girl show the extent of deterioration of transport services by posting a video of buses packed like sardines - she to wait for 13 buses before finding one she could get aboard. At the same time we watch this, an American general revealed that Singapore will buy the most expensive fighter ever made, the F35B known primarily for its problems and lack cost effectiveness . PAP policies are unbalanced and unsustainable.

It is hard to believe that as we arrive here at what is suppose to be cross roads for the country, we have to sit through this painful debate about putting Singaporeans first when it comes to jobs. For politicians who did not think twice to pay themselves the highest salaries in the world, asking the to put their fellow country men first when it comes to jobs seemed impossible. Is it any mystery they are losing the support of the people? No where else in the world can we find an equally self serving group of people.
 
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so do Oceanic countries like Australia and NZ. But social mobility is very low in Singaporec contrary to claims made by the PAP.

Why do people always have this idea that the grass is greener somewhere else??? :rolleyes:

The reason why there is inequality is because humans are not born equal. There will always be a big pool of losers no matter where you look.

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NZ inequality at highest level

By Hayden Donnell

11:46 AM Thursday Aug 23, 2012

The gap between rich and poor widened substantially in 2011, putting inequality at its highest level ever. Photo / Thinkstock


Household incomes dropped and inequality rose to its highest level ever in New Zealand last year, a Ministry of Social Development report shows.

The Household Incomes Report measuring the wellbeing of New Zealanders by their total after-tax takings has revealed a fall in average incomes for the first time since the early 1990s.

It shows the gap between rich and poor widened substantially in 2011, putting inequality at its highest level ever.

Middle and lower class workers saw their incomes fall sharply, while the rich saw their earnings increase.

Incomes for the richest New Zealanders - named as decile 10 earners - rose the most sharply.

The median income for all workers fell three per cent in real terms after going up little from 2010 levels.

It is the first time the average household income has dropped since it hit a low point in the early 90s, the report said.

The widening gap between rich and poor was down to volatility caused by the Global Financial Crisis, it said.

Meanwhile, child poverty rates have remained flat from 2009 to 2011, with 230,000 children in beneficiary households and 25 per cent in houses with no full time worker.

Half of all poor children were Maori or Polynesian and half lived in single parent families.

Seven out of 10 children identified as poor lived in rental accommodation.

An average of 15 per cent of the population lived in poverty - identified as living on less than half of the median household income - at any given time.

The next Household Incomes Report measuring results for 2012 is due to be released in mid-2013.

By Hayden Donnell
 
social immobility in singapore is a function of both global and local events.

policies of the government have not helped much in aiding mobility at the local level.

singapore needs to begin by defining Poverty.

if we can have a committee to fix ministers' salaries, lets have a committee to define poverty.
 
Why would they want to aid in society mobility when it does nothing benefiting them? In fact, the PAP may find it hard to implement their policies.


social immobility in singapore is a function of both global and local events.

policies of the government have not helped much in aiding mobility at the local level.

singapore needs to begin by defining Poverty.

if we can have a committee to fix ministers' salaries, lets have a committee to define poverty.
 
Bingo! Now you know why they are promoting ITE and telling people that degree is not everything.
They are telling you, you dun need to think much but can still make good money.


it will keep them in power. Arthashastra-ism.
 
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Bingo! Now you know why they are promoting ITE and telling people that degree is not everything.
They are telling you, you dun need to think much but can still make good money.

ITE is a good thing to promote. its about time they invested serious money in the educational needs of lower performing students.

you don't have to let your dislike of the establishment cloud your judgment of what is objectively a good thing.

for years, money has been focussed on the top band of students. its nice to see the bottom band being cared for as well.

*i spotted my own biases - it would be nice if the day came sooner when i would not refer to ITE students as "bottom band".
 
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gone are the days where degree means high paying job. check out your neighbour who is a sub-con or aircon repair or processed food manufacturer. maybe your wife has taken a liking to him too.
 
Dear Topsage:

Singapore is only a small part of the big picture. The social divide issue affects all communities throughout the world, and is created by our species. If you have the time, read the book The Great Turning, by David Korten. It gives us some things to think over, and for some, action to be taken. Myself, I've come to accept that I am an ordinary working common Joe, a man in the street trying to make ends meet. I try to live peacefully and accept people as the are.

Cheers!
 
Dear Topsage:

Singapore is only a small part of the big picture. The social divide issue affects all communities throughout the world, and is created by our species. If you have the time, read the book The Great Turning, by David Korten. It gives us some things to think over, and for some, action to be taken. Myself, I've come to accept that I am an ordinary working common Joe, a man in the street trying to make ends meet. I try to live peacefully and accept people as the are.

Cheers!

Joe,

At least you are an ordinary working man. I am working as a gardener clearing green moss from the pond at age 69 to put afew scraps on the table.:o
 
gone are the days where degree means high paying job. check out your neighbour who is a sub-con or aircon repair or processed food manufacturer. maybe your wife has taken a liking to him too.

similarly sinkies must have the balls to tell PAP, gone are the days where MP MINISTER means high paying job!!!
 
Dear Topsage:

Singapore is only a small part of the big picture. The social divide issue affects all communities throughout the world, and is created by our species. If you have the time, read the book The Great Turning, by David Korten. It gives us some things to think over, and for some, action to be taken. Myself, I've come to accept that I am an ordinary working common Joe, a man in the street trying to make ends meet. I try to live peacefully and accept people as the are.

Cheers!

your explanation sounds like this is world problem and sinkie million dollars minister cannot do anythigh right?
same as flood as it is global warming and millions dollar minister cannot solve right?
then what is the justification for sinkies to pay 10% gst to support millions dollars minister pay to PAP blood sucker?
 
Consider how much they lowered the bar, any Singaporean who can't get a place (any place - not that coveted place in Medicine, Dentistry, Pharmacy, Law or Accountancy) is a loser who should just accept his/her/its lot in life.

I learned quickly about the reality shortly after my A levels when i could not get a place in university. I went to appeal in my No, 4 only to find so many foreigers studying in the university I could not get in.
 
similarly sinkies must have the balls to tell PAP, gone are the days where MP MINISTER means high paying job!!!

The goalpost has shifted. With so many millionaires around now they are talking about billionaires.
 
Social divide left to fester can become civil war?
I can't wait to lynch them 60.1% and a few FTs
 
Dear Topsage:

Singapore is only a small part of the big picture. The social divide issue affects all communities throughout the world, and is created by our species. If you have the time, read the book The Great Turning, by David Korten. It gives us some things to think over, and for some, action to be taken. Myself, I've come to accept that I am an ordinary working common Joe, a man in the street trying to make ends meet. I try to live peacefully and accept people as the are.

Cheers!
I am well aware of the global) trend and what is happening else where. The problem is the pap system just worsens the effects. Yes income gap is widening everywhere but it has widened in Singapore much faster than in other developed countries that counteract the divide with strong measures.
 
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how the rich poor gap affect my life. The rich pple buy condos and landed property I can't afford. They buy COE for bigger cars I can't afford. They buy branded goods(I can't afford) attracting more brand names here but at least create jobs. So basically even if we accuse them of are pushing up prices, they are stuff I can't afford anyway and actually indirectly creating jobs here. Am I missing something?
 
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The crux is- what is an elected government for?
If there is no elected govt, the rich (owners of land, resources) will dominate society and run it for their own benefit, with normally the military /police backing them-as in the past before the advent of democracy.

Democracy means the poor/masses can exercise their votes to elect a govt that represent their interest and balance against the rich .

That is why some pseudo democratic parties argue against so called western style democracy, and try to dilute the one man one vote system eg introducing group constituencies, non elected MP's ect2.

To have a pro business, pro rich, pro capitalist govt is tantamount to letting the rich and powerful run their own totalitarian/authoritarian state. The worst is to have a pro foreigner govt on top of that -its like the masses giving up their universal suffrage and going back to the days of feudalism and accepting their fate as serfs.
 
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The crux is- what is an elected government for?
If there is no elected govt, the rich (owners of land, resources) will dominate society and run it for their own benefit, with normally the military /police backing them-as in the past before the advent of democracy.

Democracy means the poor/masses can exercise their votes to elect a govt that represent their interest and balance against the rich .

That is why some many parties argue against so called western style democracy, and try to dilute the one man one vote system eg introducing group constituencies, non elected MP's ect2.

To have a pro business, pro rich, pro capitalist govt is tantamount to letting the rich and powerful run their own police state. The worst is to have a pro foreigner govt on top of that -its like committing hara kiri.

In France the poor rose up to dominate the rich. They dominate so much the rich pple run road with their money out of the country. In fact they did it so well they loss 1 million jobs to other countries

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2298936/France-lost-million-jobs-repressive-tax-regime-report-claims.html

Not sure about the problem U mentioned, in SG, almost 100% of citizen votes. Not many other countries in the world can declare that they have as much mandate as any of our elected MPs(WP members included) because the turn out in most countries hardly even reach 50%.

The opposite of a Pro-Business, Pro rich, Pro capitalist govt is call North Korea. I've just visited, don't think U'll like that place
 
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