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Slyvia Lim did not support the motion

JohnTT

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http://www.wp.sg/wordpress/category/parliamentary-speech/

Instead she called for the abolishing of GRCs. Good Call?


She is right. I agree with WP. People should focus & look at the justification of GRC ward existence, & not by-election in GRC ward, as this will only entrench the GRC concept. In other words, if there is no GRC in the first place, then in this case, there will not be any argument for by-election. 'Cos if it is a single-ward, then by-election is almost a must.
 

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She is right. I agree with WP. People should focus & look at the justification of GRC ward existence, & not by-election in GRC ward, as this will only entrench the GRC concept. In other words, if there is no GRC in the first place, then in this case, there will not be any argument for by-election. 'Cos if it is a single-ward, then by-election is almost a must.

Not really. Anson, Geylang West or Havelock ring a bell?
 
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http://www.wp.sg/wordpress/category/parliamentary-speech/

Instead she called for the abolishing of GRCs. Good Call?


In the first place, what are NMPs? To dilute oppo party members in the parliament or just a PAP playthings?

Vote for NMPs in future ? What are their roles? oppose for the sake of opposing?

Why should Sylvia eggs on the NMPs when she knows it is just a chess game LHL is playing with these guys?

Sylvia made a good ambush by telling these actors and actresses that removing GRC is a good start before talking cock about the motion.

In the end what result did they get ? Will NMPs form oppo party to fight PAP ? Next ten years if PAP still in power, these NMPs still raise motion and talk cock and get nothing. Look at Lily Neo, if her voice whimpers, then what are NMPs ?

i suggest those NMPs join Sylvia Lim in the WP ,and fight alongside with LTK--this will be a good show, otherwise, NMPs are just commonplace. lets not fool ourselves , so what if they are doctors or professors if they are put at the wrong place.
 

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Yes to abolish GRC. And reduce the parliment seat or MP to 51 seat is enough.


Just back from Malaysia. Fortunately, no one is tailing me for something about Russia and Britain. :wink:

Anyway, back to what's up Malaysia. In the Permatang Pauh constituency (of the Anwar by-election fame of the moment), there're more than 50,000 voters. A typical Singapore constituency is about half that size. Based on that, the Singapore Parliament should also be halved to about 42 MPs.

However, except for the Federal Terrorities, all Malaysian constituencies in the states can elect 2 representives each - an MP for the federal Parliament and an Assemblyman in the local State Assembly. Since a Singapore MP serves 2 functions in context of national Parliament and constituency Town Council, then his/her constituency should be halved, i.e. split into 2 so that there're 2 MPs. Following that, the seats in the Singapore Parliament should be doubled from 42 to 84 seats. Incidentally, that's the number of seats now. :p
 
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There should be two main parties in Singapore, like in the US. At most three like the UK.

42 is too little. Say 60 or so. Split between all four corners of Singapore.
 

ahbengsong

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sgp should have a parliament and a legislation for referendum... major policies passed in parliament must go through a people's referendum... eg, is the selection of a prime minister....
 

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sgp should have a parliament and a legislation for referendum... major policies passed in parliament must go through a people's referendum... eg, is the selection of a prime minister....

A nice idea, and I understand the rationale: people's democracy.

However its clear that after an election, if one party or coalition wins 51% of the vote, the leader gets to become PM. Even in democratic countries- both east and west- follow the same rule, and let the new Parliament or Lower House vote in the new PM by majority.

I think its more important to ensure that there's no GRC in the first place- or have that as the end goal- and to set up an electable Upper House and to de-politicize the judiciary.
 
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A nice idea, and I understand the rationale: people's democracy.

However its clear that after an election, if one party or coalition wins 51% of the vote, the leader gets to become PM. Even in democratic countries- both east and west- follow the same rule, and let the new Parliament or Lower House vote in the new PM by majority.

I think its more important to ensure that there's no GRC in the first place- or have that as the end goal- and to set up an electable Upper House and to de-politicize the judiciary.

agree. sometimes even in a democracy, voters are not rational
 

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The PAP will review and rein in GRC once they taste losing 5 or 6 seats at one go. But of course, it's not easy.
 

myfoot123

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Singapore would have been a 2 parties state, many years ago, if there is no GRC. Look what PAP has done to strain us.
 

Dunga

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Singapore would have been a 2 parties state, many years ago, if there is no GRC. Look what PAP has done to strain us.

Ya. If no GRC, then LTK and CST would have won more seats for their parties long ago liao. Unless one day ppl are so fed up and they do something like what the Malaysians did. But it is not easy lah.
 

SIFU

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good call..

PAP only won 66.6% of the polls.. they should have 66.6% of the seats in parliament.. not like now..

without GRCs, goondus like LBW and elite Wee will never get a sniff of parliament..:mad:
 

kiwibird7

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The PAP will review and rein in GRC once they taste losing 5 or 6 seats at one go. But of course, it's not easy.

If the voters in the weakest PAP GRC ward (Aljunied) muster enough balls to vote in the opposition and LHL's own GRC ward (the Lee Bee Wah liability) slides below the 60% vote level then the PAP would suddenly get a RETHINK and remove the GRC concept.
 

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GRC will never go away. in fact it will get bigger to incldue more members so that the small fries can hide behind the big guns
 

Ramseth

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GRC will never go away. in fact it will get bigger to incldue more members so that the small fries can hide behind the big guns


Currently under the Constitution, the maximum size of a GRC is one of 6 seats. Increasing it further would entail a constitutional ammendment, and a big national debate just like the casino issue. I'm not sure if the PAP wants that, or even believes that a bigger GRC would serve in its advantage any further.

However, there's the possibility of another way of thinking. Increasing GRC sizes to 7 or 8 would justify an increase of compulsory minority representation to 2 candidates per GRC. Struggling even with 1 minority candidate per GRC, the opposition may be forced to contest only 1 or 2 GRCs.

This may cut both ways though. Instead of spreading their resources to contest as many GRCs as possible, the opposition may concentrate all their resources in 1 or 2 GRCs. Opposition disunity caused by internal differences and egoes have served the PAP well in the past. I don't see why the PAP should force them to unite.
 
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