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[Singapore] - Chee Soon Juan's FB statement on PAP's Covid management

Scrooball (clone)

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The PAP covid management policy is like tikam tikam. Open, shut, re-open, shut, reduce pax, shut, etc

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Scrooball (clone)

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It's called the 'new normal', also known as the Great Reset.
They already told you their plan.

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Maybe someone should give them the idea of calling it the ‘final solution’

The Final Solution (German: Endlösung, pronounced[ˈɛntˌløːzʊŋ] ( listen)) or the Final Solution to the Jewish Question (German: Endlösung der Judenfrage, pronounced [ˈɛntˌløːzʊŋ deːɐ̯ ˈjuːdn̩ˌfʁaːɡə]( listen)) was a Nazi plan for the genocide of Jewsduring World War II. The "Final Solution to the Jewish question" was the official code name for the murder of all Jews within reach, which was not restricted to the European continent.
 

searcher1

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No matter how good leading infectious disease expert Prof Paul Tambyah, the Govt will never let him lead the MTF
Cant let SDP gets the credit ... its that simple
 

nayr69sg

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bro, sorry to trouble you. I couldn't view the post. Can cut and paste the text? Thanks
from CSJ FB post :

Here we go again. Another surge in infections, another series of knee-jerk reactions that don’t make sense. I’ll cite just a few examples:
One, more than two persons from the same household can ride together in a taxi or PHV. But when they alight, they cannot dine-in together because restaurants are limited to two per table. They also cannot visit their relatives because households can only have up to two unique visitors per day.
Two, if the four persons are from different households, they cannot get into a single cab. But they can happily climb into a bus or MRT train.
Three, social gatherings are limited to two per group but group tours (eg. Duck Tours) can be up to 50.
Where do these people get their ideas from? Whoever is writing them need to remove their heads from their derrière.
Since we opened Orange & Teal, we’ve bounced from a no-dining-in phase to groups of two dining-in with conditions to five with more conditions, back to no-dining-in in less than a month, then back to two with modified rules to five with more modified rules and now back again to two.
This yo-yo type of policy-making is driving everyone nuts; there is no logical consistency. It certainly doesn’t inspire confidence in their ability to tackle the pandemic which is putting businesses and jobs under immense pressure.
And when it comes to events that suit their purpose eg. National Day Parade or the GE last year, they have no problems holding them.
The tragedy is that the sorry state of affairs is confusing and demoralising to an already Covid-fatigued population.
To put a stop to this mess, the SDP will announce an 8-point exit strategy to decisively tackle the pandemic. The plan drawn up by our healthcare panel led by leading infectious disease expert Prof Paul Tambyah. We will present our alternative ideas shortly and will open it for public review.
 

glockman

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No matter how good leading infectious disease expert Prof Paul Tambyah, the Govt will never let him lead the MTF
Cant let SDP gets the credit ... its that simple
Party before country. That's how they are. Insecure, petty and vindictive. Instead we have idiots and clueless dicks like Lawrence Wong, Ong YK and Gan.
 

glockman

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from CSJ FB post :

Here we go again. Another surge in infections, another series of knee-jerk reactions that don’t make sense. I’ll cite just a few examples:
One, more than two persons from the same household can ride together in a taxi or PHV. But when they alight, they cannot dine-in together because restaurants are limited to two per table. They also cannot visit their relatives because households can only have up to two unique visitors per day.
Two, if the four persons are from different households, they cannot get into a single cab. But they can happily climb into a bus or MRT train.
Three, social gatherings are limited to two per group but group tours (eg. Duck Tours) can be up to 50.
Where do these people get their ideas from? Whoever is writing them need to remove their heads from their derrière.
Since we opened Orange & Teal, we’ve bounced from a no-dining-in phase to groups of two dining-in with conditions to five with more conditions, back to no-dining-in in less than a month, then back to two with modified rules to five with more modified rules and now back again to two.
This yo-yo type of policy-making is driving everyone nuts; there is no logical consistency. It certainly doesn’t inspire confidence in their ability to tackle the pandemic which is putting businesses and jobs under immense pressure.
And when it comes to events that suit their purpose eg. National Day Parade or the GE last year, they have no problems holding them.
The tragedy is that the sorry state of affairs is confusing and demoralising to an already Covid-fatigued population.
To put a stop to this mess, the SDP will announce an 8-point exit strategy to decisively tackle the pandemic. The plan drawn up by our healthcare panel led by leading infectious disease expert Prof Paul Tambyah. We will present our alternative ideas shortly and will open it for public review.
Thanks doc!
 

sweetiepie

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KNN that's preciselee the leeson my uncle said we need to pull the sda ear to see those inconsistencies instead of arguing with them KNN pull it there my uncle is sure they can't say anything and even they charge you in court your leeson is you need to show it proof it hence you pulled them and judge will lan lan KNN
 

sweetiepie

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KNN that's preciselee the leeson my uncle said we need to pull the sda ear to see those inconsistencies instead of arguing with them KNN pull it there my uncle is sure they can't say anything and even they charge you in court your leeson is you need to show it proof it hence you pulled them and judge will lan lan KNN
Try to leefend in court without proof no way KNN you need a fucking proof by using violence is the onlee way to leesolve this matter
 

Confuseous

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HOPE. CLARITY OF THOUGHT. UNITY OF PURPOSE.

To achieve these three, we have to first settle on a communications message
that is consistent, cogent and concise. This message must then be delivered
with great conviction. We then have to develop and implement operations
that cohere with this message.

- hobbitsma.blog
 

nayr69sg

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HOPE. CLARITY OF THOUGHT. UNITY OF PURPOSE.

To achieve these three, we have to first settle on a communications message
that is consistent, cogent and concise. This message must then be delivered
with great conviction. We then have to develop and implement operations
that cohere with this message.

- hobbitsma.blog

Another Dr trying to talk......

Nope you may not. The way communication works in medicine is ONE WAY. Patient to Doctor.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog...are-exert-your-patient-autonomy-2018050713784

Take control of your health care (exert your patient autonomy)​

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May 7, 2018
Autonomy means being in control of your own decisions without outside influence — in other words, that you are in charge of yourself. It is considered an essential development step toward maturity. We all make decisions about how to live our lives, although sometimes we have less choice than we might like.

When it comes to your health care, how much autonomy is the right amount?​

There’s lots of interest in what the term means. Here’s a definition from MedicineNet:
Patient autonomy: The right of patients to make decisions about their medical care without their health care provider trying to influence the decision. Patient autonomy does allow for health care providers to educate the patient but does not allow the health care provider to make the decision for the patient.
This can be a hard line to navigate. In the past, physicians made all the decisions for their patients. They would plan the care, prescribe the treatment, and the patient would either comply or not. The word “comply” is itself pejorative. We have moved into a much more enlightened era of care, and many physicians seek to involve patients, to help them understand treatment options, and to work collaboratively to achieve goals of wellness.

When you and your doctor don’t see eye to eye on the best health care for you​


But what if you and your physician don’t agree on the best course of care for you? What if your doctor insists that she knows best, and that your health will be at risk if you don’t follow her advice? Maybe your physician has discouraged you from researching your medical condition yourself. From the physician’s angle, most of us want our patients to understand their illness, be educated on goals of wellness, and be active participants in their own healthcare. But here’s where it gets tricky: physicians study for years to become doctors and bring their scientific knowledge and clinical acumen to the office and the bedside. Patients may not have those skills, but they know their own bodies, tolerance for treatment, and the manner in which they are comfortable receiving care.

Finding the right doctor​

It’s sometimes hard to find a doctor you’re comfortable with, whether it’s for you or your child. Making a list of what’s important to you — whether you have a physician you like now, are uncomfortable in your current treating situation, or are in the process of looking for a new provider — can really help. Ask yourself these questions:
  • What is my style about health care? Do I want my doctor to tell me what to do, list the options but give me the final choice, or let me describe the medication and plan that I have researched first?
  • Would I like someone who is more relational or more boundaried? Do I want a physician who has the style of sharing his own life with me, asks about my life and tries to incorporate who I am as a person as well as a patient, or would I prefer a more businesslike approach? Do I want my physician to tell me if she has the same illness I do, and what it’s like for her, or would I prefer my doctor keep this to herself?
  • How much do I want my doctor to know about me as a person? Is that important in the way I want to receive my health care?
  • What might happen if I disagree with my doctor? Would that end the treating relationship right there, or could we work through a difference?

The right doctor will naturally support your patient autonomy​

Figuring out how you want your physician to work with you lets you maintain your patient autonomy, whatever that autonomy might be. Receiving the kind of care that is comfortable for you is exercising your autonomy. There will always be blips along the way. One woman told me about a primary care doctor she had worked with for years who became enraged with her at a visit, seemingly out of the blue. She felt he was attacking her health care behavior without asking appropriate questions. She offered him several opportunities during the visit to re-evaluate his comments. When he couldn’t do so, she used her autonomy to fire him. Another patient described being told that if he did not take a specific medication, the outcome could be devastating for his health. This may have been true, but perhaps a more collaborative discussion would have allowed this patient to feel less bullied into a treatment. Feeling comfortable with your right to get the answers you need to understand your treatment reflects your patient autonomy. Make sure your doctor’s style matches your own. How the treating relationship works is an essential part of the treatment. If it works, everything is enhanced. If your autonomy is not respected, your health care will suffer.
 

dredd

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from CSJ FB post :

Here we go again. Another surge in infections, another series of knee-jerk reactions that don’t make sense. I’ll cite just a few examples:
One, more than two persons from the same household can ride together in a taxi or PHV. But when they alight, they cannot dine-in together because restaurants are limited to two per table. They also cannot visit their relatives because households can only have up to two unique visitors per day.
Two, if the four persons are from different households, they cannot get into a single cab. But they can happily climb into a bus or MRT train.
Three, social gatherings are limited to two per group but group tours (eg. Duck Tours) can be up to 50.
Where do these people get their ideas from? Whoever is writing them need to remove their heads from their derrière.
Since we opened Orange & Teal, we’ve bounced from a no-dining-in phase to groups of two dining-in with conditions to five with more conditions, back to no-dining-in in less than a month, then back to two with modified rules to five with more modified rules and now back again to two.
This yo-yo type of policy-making is driving everyone nuts; there is no logical consistency. It certainly doesn’t inspire confidence in their ability to tackle the pandemic which is putting businesses and jobs under immense pressure.
And when it comes to events that suit their purpose eg. National Day Parade or the GE last year, they have no problems holding them.
The tragedy is that the sorry state of affairs is confusing and demoralising to an already Covid-fatigued population.
To put a stop to this mess, the SDP will announce an 8-point exit strategy to decisively tackle the pandemic. The plan drawn up by our healthcare panel led by leading infectious disease expert Prof Paul Tambyah. We will present our alternative ideas shortly and will open it for public review.
If ever there was a forummer of the year award, I'll gladly nominate you! I mean it. :thumbsup:
 

zeddy

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Petty PAP won't let Prof Tambyah be part of their task force panel. I agree with Dr CSJ. The country is already fatigued by all of their endless flip flopping policies. If the PAP has any ounce of decency, they should swallow their pride and invite Prof Tambyah onboard.
 

nayr69sg

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Petty PAP won't let Prof Tambyah be part of their task force panel. I agree with Dr CSJ. The country is already fatigued by all of their endless flip flopping policies. If the PAP has any ounce of decency, they should swallow their pride and invite Prof Tambyah onboard.
You might want to wait for the proposal to be out first and look at what it is before deciding.

Not saying it is good or bad. But wait see what it is first lah.
 
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