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Singapore a 'medical' hub? Not so

Ash007

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Yes, I have the same experience as well. Eye examination is covered by medicare over here. I'm also very impressed by the professionalism exhibit by the optometrist versus what I get in Sinkieland. I got a pair of transition lenses with flexi/bendy frames. All covered by private health insurance. :biggrin:

I went to visit optometrist at Sydney city centre the other day to make a new pair of contact lens. In Sg, all they do is to check your prescription and make a pair of lens according to your shortsightness or so. Over here, they spend significant time going through not just your prescription but if you have any symptons of eye disease or other health issues which can be detected by laser. I was impressed. They also make me a trial lens to try fitting accordingly to my eye size and shape. On the day I collected the lens, they did another test and told me the lens prescripted was overpowered thus will change another pair for me to try. They also detected I may have high cholestrol thus suggest for another test.

All these, are covered by the private health fund.
 

redbull313

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Singapore of course no need lar cos they don't care about Quality but Quantity. They don't care about if the lens is suitable for your eye or not as long they make money! any neighbourhood optical shop can run a optical shop and some don't even have a qualified optometry qualification! Thats a difference you idiot ( AussiePrank)

You're getting ripped off. I have VSP. I get my contacts through the network and I am paying 35 for the annual eye doc and its like ten bucks for a box of six acuvue oaysis. Its so cheap but once again all you do is show us how backward Australia is. I wont stop there as a pair of progressive top of the line specs with a 400 dollar frame and 600 buck lenses that retails for 1000 only cost us 150 (VSP co-pay). I dont like specs but my progessive transitions are cool when you use them outside they go dark and lighten up. But of course you dweebs can only dream about what we get.

When are you people ever going to join the hundreds of millions who simply dont pay your costs or suffer the bullshit Australians do?

I really pity you, I do.
 

Ash007

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You paid for your eye examination? You paid for your transition lenses and frame? HAHAHA over here I pay nothing! you got ripped off mate. I even have the Bendy frames.

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You're getting ripped off. I have VSP. I get my contacts through the network and I am paying 35 for the annual eye doc and its like ten bucks for a box of six acuvue oaysis. Its so cheap but once again all you do is show us how backward Australia is. I wont stop there as a pair of progressive top of the line specs with a 400 dollar frame and 600 buck lenses that retails for 1000 only cost us 150 (VSP co-pay). I dont like specs but my progessive transitions are cool when you use them outside they go dark and lighten up. But of course you dweebs can only dream about what we get.

When are you people ever going to join the hundreds of millions who simply dont pay your costs or suffer the bullshit Australians do?

I really pity you, I do.
 

redbull313

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You paid for your eye examination? You paid for your transition lenses and frame? HAHAHA over here I pay nothing! you got ripped off mate. I even have the Bendy frames.

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You pay very high taxes and I dont.

Sorry, sucker.
 

IWC2006

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You pay very high taxes and I dont.

Sorry, sucker.

Yes you do, lower tax countries are HK, Sg and UAE, USA still comparably higher though is lower then Europe & Oz.

However, I got most of tax refund back last financial year, so in the end I only paid 6% tax, jealous rite?
 

redbull313

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Yes you do, lower tax countries are HK, Sg and UAE, USA still comparably higher though is lower then Europe & Oz.

However, I got most of tax refund back last financial year, so in the end I only paid 6% tax, jealous rite?

I think you are referring to corportate tax. 47% of all households this year will pay 0, so choke on that you sucker with your 46% taxes. And maybe you should meet with my Australian brother in law in Sydney they can meet you anytime at 5 ways in paddo and explain to you how bad Australia sucks cause its all they talk about. BUT I will say they used to love it there but now they hate it. You think I complain jesus talk to them.

Enjoy your high taxes, GST, bad health care, police state, stress, pollution and shitty doctors there. I wont.

I for one thank the heavens I am not in Australia any longer, as do my wife and son. This summer was the best ever in Florida and my son now wants to be an Astronaught after taking him to some shuttle launchings at Johnson Center. Now we are looking at space camp.

Australia? Just cant compare

Sorry chompo
 

Ou812

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Precisely, most Aussies will buy (or mandatory) to buy private healthcare, which covers most of these treatment. I can't see why they would need to flock to Spore.

Singapore has only 1 medical school (NUS) thus majority of the doctors are sourced from overseas. Those qualifications earned from countries like China or India are questionable. In Australia ,there are probably 15+ unis offer medicine, out of it 8-10 of the unis are recognised in Singapore to practise medicine. In US, probably much more, perhaps 500+ medical schools, quality from the very good ones(John H, Yale etc) to lousy ones (bogus unis). Foreigner import doctors in Australia, most of them got to take a bridging course or Masters, then houseman before admitted to practise medicine. If they don't speak good English, they are unlikely ever to get a good placement as they may interpret wrong information to patiences which lead to lawsuit. I met one GP the other day, she's from Vietnam but got her medical qualification here in Sydney - she says she often have to spend a lot of time documenting the patience issues if not she may subject to legal scrutinity. In Sg, don't believe there is such practise.

You claim Singapore is not a medical hub. I find your comparison to be interesting as some work colleagues from New Zealand and Australia are constantly praising the current health resources in Singapore. In this case I have a few questions for you based on experience:

1) In Australia/NZ can you kindly tell us how many weeks it take to book and see a specialist (Such as Ear Nose Throat ((ENT)) or ((Endocrinologist)) for example)

2) Can you please tell us how far you have to travel to see a specialist that is not located in your primary residential area?

3) Can you please tell us how far you have to travel and how long you have to wait (in months) to see a specialist centre with specialized equipment not normally available in all areas?

4) Can you please tell us your inpatient and outpatient costs and the times and circumstances to be admitted for inpatient and outpatient procedures or surgery?

5) Can you please tell us if hospital cover is required for inpatient or outpatient and at which point the NZ/Australain government

6) Can you please tell us if most drugs normally classified as over the counter in Singapore is only available by prescription in Australia which would necessitate a visit to a Primary care physcian which can take weeks?

7) Is it true that in cases where a prescription drug is prescribed by a specialist it can take more than a month to have a prescription written and in many cases patients simply "go without" medications due to the delay?

8) Is it true that there is a chronic shortage of doctors and nurses in NZ/Australia and that health care costs are increasing and the health system resources are currently unable to cope with rising demand?

9) Is it true that due to such demand certain surgeries such as "hip replacement" takes up to a year to complete while it can be done within one to two weeks in Singapore?

10) Is it true that the standard and level of care in terms of respurces is not on par with Singapore?

I find your assertions to be amusing and totally not conclusive to my own experiences. Just this past week I accompanied a NZ work colleague to the Novena Medical Center who was absolutely impressed by the marble lined ultra modern setting plus the availablity of the ENT who was able to see him within two hours instead of two weeks in NZ. Additionally a endocrinologist was available two doors down to see his wife who is suffering from diabetes and according to her (an Australian native) to see an endocrinologist takes one month due to a shortage of doctors there. Both swore Singapore is very much advanced than either NZ or Australia

I look forward to your reply.
 

scroobal

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Excellent and accurate summary.

I went to visit optometrist at Sydney city centre the other day to make a new pair of contact lens. In Sg, all they do is to check your prescription and make a pair of lens according to your shortsightness or so. All these, are covered by the private health fund.
 

scroobal

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Its interesting that after 50 years of PAP rule, nothing has changed in Singapore where eyeware if concerned. The gap in standard is still the same except that they are now housed in airconditioned shopping centres.

Yes, I have the same experience as well. Eye examination is covered by medicare over here. I'm also very impressed by the professionalism exhibit by the optometrist versus what I get in Sinkieland. I got a pair of transition lenses with flexi/bendy frames. All covered by private health insurance. :biggrin:
 

kiketerm

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You're getting ripped off. I have VSP. I get my contacts through the network and I am paying 35 for the annual eye doc and its like ten bucks for a box of six acuvue oaysis. Its so cheap but once again all you do is show us how backward Australia is. I wont stop there as a pair of progressive top of the line specs with a 400 dollar frame and 600 buck lenses that retails for 1000 only cost us 150 (VSP co-pay). I dont like specs but my progessive transitions are cool when you use them outside they go dark and lighten up. But of course you dweebs can only dream about what we get.

When are you people ever going to join the hundreds of millions who simply dont pay your costs or suffer the bullshit Australians do?

I really pity you, I do.

What is a VPS and how do I get this

I also wan 1K spec for 150 how can?
 

scroobal

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Looks like your OZ/NZ colleaques are making fun of you. Anything free is a waiting game unless its serious. Private health insurance is cheap and you can pick your doctor, hospital etc.

You should not let your OZ/NZ colleagues make a fool of you. Do read up. Its the same in the UK, Scandinavian countries, Japan etc. Only US is the exception.

There is also the possibility that your OZ/NZ colleagues are comparing Singapore with other 3rd world countries such as Indonesia, Myanmar, Congo.

You remind me of an asian chap who asked to see the flying Kangaroo not realising that its nick for Qantas.

You claim Singapore is not a medical hub. I find your comparison to be interesting as some work colleagues from New Zealand and Australia are constantly praising the current health resources in Singapore.
 

Ou812

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Looks like your OZ/NZ colleaques are making fun of you. Anything free is a waiting game unless its serious. Private health insurance is cheap and you can pick your doctor, hospital etc.

You should not let your OZ/NZ colleagues make a fool of you. Do read up. Its the same in the UK, Scandinavian countries, Japan etc. Only US is the exception.

There is also the possibility that your OZ/NZ colleagues are comparing Singapore with other 3rd world countries such as Indonesia, Myanmar, Congo.

You remind me of an asian chap who asked to see the flying Kangaroo not realising that its nick for Qantas.

If you are unable to answer the questions then kindly refrain from answering. I look forward to debunking the myth that NZ/Australia health care is better than Singapore for many reasons as I am in the buisness.

I am patiently awaiting a reply from the thread starter.
 

Aussie Prick

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If I were you I would not expect and answer from these chickenshit morons. Australia is a hellhole no matter what they say.
 

axe168

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If I were you I would not expect and answer from these chickenshit morons. Australia is a hellhole no matter what they say.

If I were you I would engage these "morons" and try to find out what makes them stay ? Australia is a "LUCKY COUNTRY" no matter what they say
 

IWC2006

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U seem to think cost and time is the deciding factor. Cost wise Aus is nowhere compared to sg but so does Thailand and Malaysia who are also heaps cheaper then Sg. I can't see any western nation have cheap healthcare to start with.

I'm not saying Australia is a medical hub, notice this topic is about Singapore keeps telling the world it its a medical hub in Asia but theres no ground breaking medical breakthrough so far as i know. All they do is spend a lot of money upgrading the medical facilities and import lots of doctors from oversea(mostly from China, India), so you call it a hub?

Ask the elder folks who have to queue hours at the polyclinics everyday and getting medical advice by some mediocre doctors who show little interest in treat the critical mass as run of the milds.

Over here we have universal private healthcare, not sure about NZ. In Sg, once u are out of job, you have no healthcare, this is a major difference. Over here, we still get basic public healthcare if out of jobs, Australia's healthcare is considered among the world best and even United states is trying to replicate the model there.

Yes, u need to setup appointments in most clinics because doctors here have a balanced lifestyle so they don't work as long hours as Sg. They spend a lot time writing documents and understanding the patience needs, as they will get sue if things are not done properly. U could also go to those chinese doctors in chinatown require no appointments. So there's actually options.
 

Ash007

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Actually, the chinese doctors can get sued as well if they prescribed the wrong medicine here. I have a colleague that needs my help as an interpreter, he has a medical problem and wants to give chinese/alternative medicine a try. After making sure what my colleague problem was, the chinese doctor actually advised him to continue his "western" treatment regime, he did not prescribe anything for him and did not charge anything for the consultation. Whats interesting is that, this is a 70+yo man from china that used to be the medical director of one of the major hospital. He just happens to retire over here now, and passes his time opening up a chinese medicine hall here. Over here you can get doctors from China that are overqualified if you look carefully. They just want a better work life balanced compared to back home. Same thing for food, some of the "HongKongers" said yum cha was better here compared to Hongkong, because the top chef migrated here. :biggrin: hmmmm maybe I'll go out for some dim sum later.

Yes, u need to setup appointments in most clinics because doctors here have a balanced lifestyle so they don't work as long hours as Sg. They spend a lot time writing documents and understanding the patience needs, as they will get sue if things are not done properly. U could also go to those chinese doctors in chinatown require no appointments. So there's actually options.
 

scroobal

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You are probably confused. I am certain they are comparing Singapore with the rest of the 3rd world region.


If you are unable to answer the questions then kindly refrain from answering. I look forward to debunking the myth that NZ/Australia health care is better than Singapore for many reasons as I am in the buisness.

I am patiently awaiting a reply from the thread starter.
 

neddy

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You paid for your eye examination? You paid for your transition lenses and frame? HAHAHA over here I pay nothing! you got ripped off mate. I even have the Bendy frames.

Do you know that you can ask for eye pressure test. It is covered by medicare as well.


Americans are still heading for Mexico/Canada for healthcare. But Obama "socialised" healthcare should stop this flow.

Anonymous November 9, 2008 at 4:47 am
I am a Canadian living in the United States. As a healthcare professional, if I got sick I would definitely choose the Canadian system over the American. I feel the Canadian system is as good if not better. I have never had a Canadian heart surgeon say to keep their surgical pt alive at all costs for the 30 days to protect his reputation. Then the 30days pass and they pull the plug. Check it out.
 

neddy

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Open Medicine, Vol 1, No 2 (2007)

What prosperous, highly educated Americans living in Canada think of the Canadian and US health care systems

Steven Lewis, Danielle A Southern, Colleen J Maxwell, James A Dunn, Tom W Noseworthy, William A Ghali


Abstract

Background: There are no reported head-to-head comparative assessments of health care in any two countries by people who have experienced both. We sought to report the experiences and views of Americans living in Canada who have used both health care systems as adults.

Methods: We surveyed a sample of Americans living in Canada. We used 5 communication strategies to obtain the sample and asked respondents to provide experience-based ratings of various dimensions of health system quality.

Results: The survey was completed by 310 people who met the inclusion criteria. This group was highly educated (58% with a master's degree or higher) and prosperous (51% of households had a yearly income > $100,000). Seventy-four percent rated the overall quality of US health care as excellent or good, compared with 50% who gave this rating to Canadian health care. Most preferred the American system for emergency, specialist, hospital and diagnostic services. Respondents rated the Canadian system more highly for access to drug therapy and expressed similar views of the two systems with respect to care from a family physician. The features of the US system rated most positively were timeliness and quality; those rated most highly in the Canadian system were equity and cost-efficiency. The most negatively viewed features of the US system were cost/inefficiency and inequity; those of the Canadian system were wait times and personnel shortages. Although respondents generally rated the components of the US system more favourably than Canada's, when asked which system they preferred overall, 45% chose the US system and 40% chose Canada's.

Conclusion: Americans living in Canada generally rated the US health care system as being better than the Canadian system. However, they acknowledged the inefficiency and inequity of the US system, and nearly half preferred the Canadian system despite its perceived problems.
 
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