SDP - It's Political Future - discuss

[TracyTan866]

Thanks! First time hearing about them, and also first time hearing about them being PM-material.

Very interesting!

Tan Eng Liang, Lim Chee Onn, TT were supposedly ranked higher than GCT

so now you know GCT was way down the line. cant get the best few, the second liners will do too.

no wonder Singapore is in such big trouble when mediocre chaps like GCT and LHL become PM

 

[kingrant]

Look at the PAP. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel for any dodos who had slept on a sofa. Anything that is unwhite I say would be a breath of fresh air.

His political career is machiam stage 4 cancer. No medicine to rescue - bo yoke keu.

 

[scroobal]

GCT, Lim Chee Onn, Tony Tan batch etc was actually the 2nd intake. First batch completely wiped out. Old man then switched to scholars that had business or admin service background.

Tan Eng Liang, Lim Chee Onn, TT were supposedly ranked higher than GCT

so now you know GCT was way down the line. cant get the best few, the second liners will do too.

no wonder Singapore is in such big trouble when mediocre chaps like GCT and LHL become PM

 

[kukubird58]

My sense is that it's VW's decision. Pursuing something that he feels closer to and same reason why Alex Au is not involved. Mainstream politics requires one to be all things to all people. The PAP had the same issue with 3 former Ministers of State - Dr Augustine Tan, Dr Tay Eng Soon and Ho Peng Kee. In their case, religion. All 3 struggled and Augustine Tan had to leave.
VW is too much of an asset to push out.

hahaha...just last week, u posted this about VW...

Posted by scroobal :
I am not so sure if in a straight fight with PAP, VW can. I will be honest here and tell you that we Asians value loyalty and handwork. Educational qualifications and past positions in an organisation is not so valued in comparison with loyalty and hard work. Li Lian had been there for a long time and contested the seat in the general elections. VW was dropped in for the by elections. SDP does not have the wide appeal as it did under Chiam. Again the issue of loyalty - people cannot forget what they did to Chiam.

it is amazing the way flip-flop like a roti prata....do u ever have a consistent stand on thing?????

 

[SockPuppet]

hahaha...just last week, u posted this about VW...

it is amazing the way flip-flop like a roti prata....do u ever have a consistent stand on thing?????

Kukubird, you are my idol!

 

[Dreamer1]

Good points,CSJ the true successor of LKY has proven that LKY could only make it once,(in 1959).Old man and his rather 未知人事(one who does not know the matter of the real world) son,our PM should know that they are very lucky.Pity that CSJ the true successor of LKY has failed till now with dim prospect for the political future.

 

[tanwahp]

Jufrie? He is 'flexible' and modern.

He is still a Muslim in a close-looped Muslim community. There is no problem now as VW is not the figurehead but he is the potential future figurehead and then the problem will start.

 

[tanwahp]

My sense is that it's VW's decision. Pursuing something that he feels closer to and same reason why Alex Au is not involved. Mainstream politics requires one to be all things to all people. The PAP had the same issue with 3 former Ministers of State - Dr Augustine Tan, Dr Tay Eng Soon and Ho Peng Kee. In their case, religion. All 3 struggled and Augustine Tan had to leave.

Yes it was his own decision and I don't think SDP wanted him to leave either, hoping the whole thing would somehow reconcile. But as a future keynote person, the gay issue would have a very large factor on SDP's members, especially for Muslims or even conservative Christians.

 

[tanwahp]

Helping out in HG BE, but didn't make an impression on the WP honchos. Now stationed overseas.

It looks clear to me that TJS has estranged many of those who flocked around him during the PE. Ironically, they are busy in their own activities while TJS remains rather inactive.

I sense his approach is non-committal and unilateral and might even have overpromised in certain aspects. One of which could be in regard to NSP and could be the reason for Nicole Seah's outburst and why it's been a long time since we have seen Jeannette side-by-side with him. Thus no surprise for Michelle's solo appearance in WP. Joining TJS party is still in the air - depends on her agenda and true motive. But the more important decision is whether she would even return to Singapore with her family and politics / party to join is secondary.

The impression on the "WP honchos" or induction is no issue in this case. From Hougang BE to around mid 2013 when she flew off was not even few months. Within such a short period, anyone who expects otherwise, herself included, is not practical.

 

[yellowarse]

He is still a Muslim in a close-looped Muslim community. There is no problem now as VW is not the figurehead but he is the potential future figurehead and then the problem will start.

Muslim conservatism was not a factor in VW's departure. CSJ is keen to re-connect with the heartland by focussing on bread-and-butter policy issues and doesn't want narrow human rights causes to derail this pragmatic strategy. Special-interest causes might appeal to a small liberal minority but will alienate the largely conservative HDB folks.

 

[yellowarse]

The impression on the "WP honchos" or induction is no issue in this case. From Hougang BE to around mid 2013 when she flew off was not even few months. Within such a short period, anyone who expects otherwise, herself included, is not practical.

LTK is particularly wary of 'defectors' from other parties, having been bitten a few times in the past. It is highly unlikely that Michelle would have made any headway even if she had devoted more time to groundwork with WP.

 

[SockPuppet]

what is this???? I support Kukubird for his post which is to show the truth and I get zapped from +ve 23 into -ve 7 points????
What sort of forum is this? cannot have our own view? cannot differ? is this Sammyboy Forum or is this North Korea????

 

[3_M]

Muslim conservatism was not a factor in VW's departure. CSJ is keen to re-connect with the heartland by focussing on bread-and-butter policy issues and doesn't want narrow human rights causes to derail this pragmatic strategy. Special-interest causes might appeal to a small liberal minority but will alienate the largely conservative HDB folks.

U just can't always have your cake and eat it. Compromise will have to be made. It doesn't make sense to give away a larger heartlander pie for the sake of a smaller liberal pie. In the past too much focus had been directed towards serving this very small voting bloc that doesn't justify the time and resources. It better for the party to focus 95% of their effort towards bread and butter issues.

 

[yellowarse]

U just can't always have your cake and eat it. Compromise will have to be made. It doesn't make sense to give away a larger heartlander pie for the sake of a smaller liberal pie. In the past too much focus had been directed towards serving this very small voting bloc that doesn't justify the time and resources. It better for the party to focus 95% of their effort towards bread and butter issues.

Agree. That's why I believe that CSJ and SDP are on the right track. Question is: can the people forgive CSJ? Can his tarnished image be successfully rehabilitated?

Sinkies are usually slow to forgive and forget, even if a person has truly changed for the better.

 

[3_M]

Agree. That's why I believe that CSJ and SDP are on the right track. Question is: can the people forgive CSJ? Can his tarnished image be successfully rehabilitated?

Sinkies are usually slow to forgive and forget, even if a person has truly changed for the better.

Good impression can easily turn bad but bad impression is hard to undo, that just human nature. CSJ today is paying the price for his recklessness of yesteryear.

 

[scroobal]

SDP in 2011 garnered a lot of goodwill when they facilitated the fielding of the "A" team in Holland-BT Timah which gave Viv B and team a scare. They also withdrew their candidate which allowed Alex Tok to be fielded.

The only negative was the election of the CEC shortly after the elections which surprised many.

The younger generation has little understanding of what happened in 1991. They will be more interested in the candidates that SDP is prepared to field. If they field people with short skirt, and people with lots of emotional baggage it will be difficult to connect.

Agree. That's why I believe that CSJ and SDP are on the right track. Question is: can the people forgive CSJ? Can his tarnished image be successfully rehabilitated?

Sinkies are usually slow to forgive and forget, even if a person has truly changed for the better.

 

[Liquigas]

People who dislike an authoritarian democracy that is being practiced here will tend to lend their support to a party like SDP whose ideology is that of liberal democarcy. These people thinks WP often too meek when dealing with the ruling party and when it matters the party was found to be too quiet on such important issues impacting future generations as FT policy and the 6.9population white paper. They are complaining that WP is too focused on municipal issues to the neglect of national issues and that party workers should not be seen as just good at organising activities such as excusion trips and trade fairs for constituents.

 

[tanwahp]

LTK is particularly wary of 'defectors' from other parties, having been bitten a few times in the past. It is highly unlikely that Michelle would have made any headway even if she had devoted more time to groundwork with WP.

I think you are confused between Low and Chiam. Low never had any bad experience with defectors. It was Chiam who during his time in SDP took in a lot from WP and the rest was history. WP took in Barisan and SUF, but no problems occurred from there.

LTK built WP not with a few "defectors". His very own successor in Hougang, Yaw was from SPP. Yaw was expelled not for playing politics within WP, but couldn't control his own dick. WP current vice chair Rahizan "defected" from PKMS. Former WP youth wing chief Perry Tong "defected" from SDP. The ones who left WP like GMS, Poh, Eric were never with any party.

Most recently, former SPP's Jimmy is now with WP and climbing fast, contrary to your theory. If he as a scholar was destined for a dead end, he wouldn't give it a thought. The time he spent and Michelle spent in WP are too different. Heard he came soon after 2011 and has been appearing weekly at one of the Aljunied divisions until now. So the key word here is discernment (of people).

 

[kukubird58]

SDP in 2011 garnered a lot of goodwill when they facilitated the fielding of the "A" team in Holland-BT Timah which gave Viv B and team a scare. They also withdrew their candidate which allowed Alex Tok to be fielded.
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hahaha...yes and u praise the sdp team to the sky.....
then 1 year later, you say TJs until he is not worth a single cent.....
good thing the voters were not conned by you/sdp in 2011.....

 

[SockPuppet]

People who dislike an authoritarian democracy that is being practiced here will tend to lend their support to a party like SDP whose ideology is that of liberal democarcy. These people thinks WP often too meek when dealing with the ruling party and when it matters the party was found to be too quiet on such important issues impacting future generations as FT policy and the 6.9population white paper. They are complaining that WP is too focused on municipal issues to the neglect of national issues and that party workers should not be seen as just good at organising activities such as excusion trips and trade fairs for constituents.

that is the beauty of democracy and choice is it not? to each his own! either his direction or his view!