Sammboy forummers - time to check your attitude

[kingrant]

OTC

Somehow you have greater credibility when your points were at like 29.

I don't agree. Singapore was mired in racial turbulence and social unheavals when we separated from Malaysia. Without the firm guiding hand of the PAP, we would never have achieved the level of racial and religious harmony we see today.

I think people here take Singapore's stability and tranquility for granted. Just look at the unstable and volatile region which we are in. The threat of terrorism is right at our doorstep and racial tensions lurk beneath the surface in our neighbouring countries.

Singapore by contrast is an oasis of calm and peace because the PAP Government has been very tough in its stance against racism and communalism. It has enacted strict laws and not hesistated to use maximum force to quell dissent and racial unrest. PAP's policies have brought Singaporeans closer together with a common working language -- English. We are a united country because of the stability and prosperity brought to us by the PAP.

I am very disheartened by the level of complacency in this forum and in the 40% who voted opposition. You are playing with fire if you take our racial and religious harmony for granted. Only the PAP can guarantee that for us.

 

[OverTheCounter]

Pro-PAP supporters no hope. If you cannot see the cracks how to mend it? No wonder the PM is so worried. He is soldiering all by himself. Poor thing.

I am constantly amazed by forummers.

You guys keep saying there are cracks, that the mountain in crumbling, and we are regressing to the 3rd world, etc.

Yet everyday when I drive along the bustling city streets, I see cheerful workers, families, children, going about their daily lives with confidence.

For all your talk about the decaying transportation system, I still see millions of people going to work everyday without hassle, I see motorists zipping along our clean roads without having to worry about facing the kind of chronic jams we see in Los Angeles or Bangkok.

Our infrastructure is world class, the whole place is clean, hygenic and very efficient, and our skyscrapers are a monument to our wealth and achievement, and you say we are going downhill?

I find you incredulous!

 

[brocoli]

Bro,

Don't need to rebut OverTheCounter. This prostitute was paid 100 reputation pts by Leongsam to write this crap. By replying to him you're only going to up his year end bonus to 200 reputation pts.

Infrastructure? Oh my God, please spare all of us forummers here the PAP drivel. SG Infrastructure was best in the region in 1959. You want to credit PAP for infrastructure? You want to credit them for security? Why don't you start by asking him about the Bukit Ho Swee fire in 1961, their instigation of the riots as political tools to serve their own ends, sentosa cable car accident, Mas Selamat Kastari, and the most recent SMRT fiasco. And those topics are just for appetizers.

This is over the top. I don't want to reply directly either to Leongsam or his newfound hooker to dignify what they are doing, but I suspect the former is having some kind of mid life crisis and the latter has no idea that he is playing the fool, no one is falling of his silly antics, and yet he thinks of himself as being smart for unzipping his pants in public.

why insult those who disagree with majority here?

isnt that what opp supporter do in real life.. disagree with the majority

the whole place is clean, hygenic and very efficient, and our skyscrapers are a monument to our wealth and achievement, and you say we are going downhill?

Is aljunied and hougang clean, hygenic and very efficient ???? Tuck Yew understand! :oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:

dun lick ass for the sake of lickin ass....

 

[Leepotism]

I am constantly amazed by forummers.

You guys keep saying there are cracks, that the mountain in crumbling, and we are regressing to the 3rd world, etc.

Yet everyday when I drive along the bustling city streets, I see cheerful workers, families, children, going about their daily lives with confidence.

For all your talk about the decaying transportation system, I still see millions of people going to work everyday without hassle, I see motorists zipping along our clean roads without having to worry about facing the kind of chronic jams we see in Los Angeles or Bangkok.

Our infrastructure is world class, the whole place is clean, hygenic and very efficient, and our skyscrapers are a monument to our wealth and achievement, and you say we are going downhill?

I find you incredulous!

I think Leongsam cannot up your points again even if you continue to speak the tooth and nothing but the tooth. No need to work so hard henceforth.

 

[OverTheCounter]

I think Leongsam cannot up your points again even if you continue to speak the tooth and nothing but the tooth. No need to work so hard henceforth.

I am not posting because I love points. I am posting because I love Singapore. And because I love Singapore, I must give due recognition to those who made Singapore great -- the PAP.

 

[Leongsam]

I am not posting because I love points. I am posting because I love Singapore. And because I love Singapore, I must give due recognition to those who made Singapore great -- the PAP.

Good point. I agree with you. You're the man!

 

[Leepotism]

I am not posting because I love points. I am posting because I love Singapore. And because I love Singapore, I must give due recognition to those who made Singapore great -- the PAP.

Your sudden loyalty had put Ron Ron, myo539, casa888 and clinton666 to shame. Not that it's a bad thing though.

 

[OverTheCounter]

Your sudden loyalty had put Ron Ron, myo539, casa888 and clinton666 to shame. Not that it's a bad thing though.

The trouble with the nicks you mention is that they do not articulate their case as well as I can. They are on the right track, but they get distracted by petty issues, lose focus, and resort to being vulgar.

For all the brickbats I have received for supporting the PAP, none so far have managed to counter my points on a factual basis. The only responses I've gotten are purely emotional.

This in fact strengthens my resolve to continue arguing my case and supporting the PAP in this forum.

 

[mojito]

I am not posting because I love points. I am posting because I love Singapore. And because I love Singapore, I must give due recognition to those who made Singapore great -- the PAP.

1. Hi OTC
2. Can you put down in point form why you think PAP is great?
3. Or what they have done for you and I lately?
4. Sam ask you to make good content on PAP, not por their lumpar ok?
5. I also want to know why PAP is good.
6. Your performance don't look very promising.
7. Hope to see better posts from you next year.
8. But I bet you will diam diam and quietly collect your 100 points per month like our ministars!

 

[Fook Seng]

I am constantly amazed by forummers.

You guys keep saying there are cracks, that the mountain in crumbling, and we are regressing to the 3rd world, etc.

Yet everyday when I drive along the bustling city streets, I see cheerful workers, families, children, going about their daily lives with confidence.

For all your talk about the decaying transportation system, I still see millions of people going to work everyday without hassle, I see motorists zipping along our clean roads without having to worry about facing the kind of chronic jams we see in Los Angeles or Bangkok.

Our infrastructure is world class, the whole place is clean, hygenic and very efficient, and our skyscrapers are a monument to our wealth and achievement, and you say we are going downhill?

I find you incredulous!

Just answer me the following questions. Why did your PM apologise just before the GE2011? What the hell did he apologise for? What did he want to change at the PAP Covention? It has fallen on deaf ears? Or maybe you disagree with him?

 

[zhihau]

Why did your PM apologise just before the GE2011?

bro,

in the name of democracy, he is our PM. TCH was the brainchild of this move if i'm not mistaken :o:o:o

 

[OverTheCounter]

1. Hi OTC
2. Can you put down in point form why you think PAP is great?
3. Or what they have done for you and I lately?
4. Sam ask you to make good content on PAP, not por their lumpar ok?
5. I also want to know why PAP is good.
6. Your performance don't look very promising.
7. Hope to see better posts from you next year.
8. But I bet you will diam diam and quietly collect your 100 points per month like our ministars!

I appreciate your inquisitiveness. Over the past two days, I have articulated reasonably well why I think the PAP has done right for Singapore.

Just in case you missed my previous posts, here's a recap. The PAP singlehandedly vanquished the communist threat by imprisoning violent communist insurgents and discrediting their ideology once and for all. The PAP brought racial and religious harmony to Singapore by enacting and rigorously enforcing tough laws that have stood the test of time. The HDB racial quota in particular has prevented the seeds of communalism from germinating. English has united all the races and has given us trememdous leverage in international trade and relations.

But that is just the tip of the iceberg. The PAP has brought a tremendous amount of foreign investment into Singapore by leveraging on their vast network of international business contacts and industry partners. That in turn has created a humongous number of jobs for all Singaporeans, developed our industries, and made us the financial and services hub of South East Asia.

The influx of foreigners even further enhances our competitiveness, resulting in an even greater amount of job creation for Singaporeans. Singaporeans can retire comfortably as a result of asset enhancement. Name me one other country where the home you live in is the best possible investment your family will ever make!

Finally, do not ever forget the security and stability that the PAP has given us. Our Armed Forces keep our borders safe, and we are an oasis of calm and peace in a turbulent and unstable region. Our crime rate is extremely low, people can go home every night and party every night without fearing that they would get mugged or worse. Singapore is the safest place in the world, safer than even the most upscale neighbourhoods in new york, New zealand or Toronto.

If there's anything I've missed out, please point out to me. Rather than mindlessly criticizing and throwing tantrums like other forummers are inclined to do, let us recognize the bare facts and acknowledge all the great things the PAP has achieved in the last 50 years.

 

[Leongsam]

I appreciate your inquisitiveness. Over the past two days, I have articulated reasonably well why I think the PAP has done right for Singapore.

Good points. Those anti PAP people are clueless.

 

[winners]

.....The PAP singlehandedly vanquished the communist threat by imprisoning violent communist insurgents and discrediting their ideology once and for all....

I believe Leongsam would not have agreed to this, if I can recall 1 of his earlier posts which I had brought up in another thread.

 

[Fook Seng]

The trouble with the nicks you mention is that they do not articulate their case as well as I can. They are on the right track, but they get distracted by petty issues, lose focus, and resort to being vulgar.

Now Sam should realize why it is so difficult to get pro-establishment nicks to speak in this forum. Due to 50 years of indoctrination, albeit some for shorter periods, like this one for instance, as he could not give details, only generalization, they have learnt the fine art of stepping over their colleagues. No wonder there are so few who bother to make their stand here. On the other hand, those who come from the full spectrum of the other side, some extreme left, others more central or even right of centre, although carrying varying views, were able to resolve their differences. I see a lot of hope here.

 

[Fook Seng]

bro,

in the name of democracy, he is our PM. TCH was the brainchild of this move if i'm not mistaken :o:o:o

Not GY? You have insider information?

 

[OverTheCounter]

Just answer me the following questions. Why did your PM apologise just before the GE2011? What the hell did he apologise for?

This is an excellent question -- something I was hoping someone would ask.

Let us first of all recap exactly what PM Lee said at the lunch time rally a couple of days before polling. These excerpts are extracted from The Online Citizen; I believe this is a verbatim transcript.
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PM LEE HSIEN LOONG: "Five years ago, the opportunities to have IRs in Singapore came up. We seized it, we started going, and got them going before the financial crisis. If we hadn’t done that, and missed the chance, missed the boat, you won’t have Marina Bay like this today.

Last year, we got another gust of wind. Growth was strong, markets were good, we were ready. We went for it, we got fourteen and a half percent growth. Had we not done that and taken in a few more foreign workers and accepted the crowding in the trains and in the public places, you would not have had the budget surpluses, we would not have had the Grow And Share Package this year.

So we can’t go exactly on a straight line from point A to point B and have everything just perfect every spot. There will be detours, sidetracks, side effects, from our decisions. So, IRs are good, but because of the IR, more Singaporeans are at risk of problem gambling, more families are at risk. High growth is good, but because of growth, we have to take in somewhat more foreign workers, we have to be prepared to accept a little bit more congestion for the time being.

These are real problems -- we will tackle them, but I hope you will understand that when these problems vex you or disturb you or upset your lives, please bear with us, we are trying our best on your behalf. And if we didn’t quite get it right, I’m sorry, but we will try and do better the next time."​

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"But good as we are, we and the PAP in particular must never become self-satisfied. The PAP – you may wear white, but that does not give you an automatic right to become the government. You put on the whites — but win the respect of voters – every time, every election. And never forget that we are here to serve the voters, to serve Singaporeans, and not to lord it over people.​

No government is perfect. We can have our best intentions, make our best efforts, but from time to time, mistakes will happen. We will make mistakes. We made a mistake when we let Mas Selamat run away. We made a mistake when Orchard Road got flooded. And there are other mistakes which we have made from time to time, and I’m sure occasionally will happen again – I hope not too often. But when it happens, then we should acknowledge it, we should apologize, take responsibility, put things right, if we have to discipline somebody we will do that, and we must learn from the lessons, and never make the same mistake again."

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Let us examine PM Lee's apology closely. He was not saying that the government had enacted the wrong policies or steered Singapore in the wrong direction. What PM Lee was saying is that the policies are right, but there have been lapses in their implementation from time to time. You must get the distinction clear. The fault resides in the nitty gritty details of implementation, not the core substance or reasons for the policies.

The PAP did the right thing by seizing on economic growth while the going was good. They did the right thing by getting the casinos in. They did the right thing by importing foreigners, which as I have previously mentioned, complement our workforce, enhance our competitiveness, and create even more jobs for Singapore citizens. (Sidenote: without foreigners, our unemployment rate would be much higher, especially for the lower and middle income)

However, not every government is perfect, and the PAP certainly is not. Because we grew rapidly, there has been some congestion, and prices have been increasing. PM Lee has acknowledged this. That is what he apologized for -- the temporary and unavoidable setbacks as a result of pursuing policies that are in the long term interest of the nation.

PM Lee has emphasized that the PAP is here to serve the voters and will never be complacent or self-satisfied. You must admire the tenacity and spirit of the PAP. They are not afraid to implement unpopular policies for the good of Singapore. In other words, they do not pander to the short term and often contradictory wishes of the electorate. They have the courage and the determination to do what is right for Singapore, to enact policies that will benefit all Singaporeans in the long run, even if they cause a small amount of short term discomfort.

For all this and more, we should be very grateful to the PAP and to the wisdom of PM Lee. This is an enlightened and forward looking government that has steel in its heart, the raw determination to better the lives of everyone. As a nation, we have avoided the disastrous pitfalls of short term thinking, political gridlock, and rampant welfarism that has plagued western countries. As a result of the focus on long term prosperity and stability, Singapore has more good decades ahead.

 

[Debonerman]

Yeah! Let's all forget about daughter-in-law Ho Ching and her successful global investment strategies. Let's forget all about eugenics and the best quality of Men-In-White and rewards of the highest pay in the world!

Let's all just take it in our stride that our children, at least those of us less successful dumbasses who had not joined the PAP bandwagon for a ride, will not be able to afford decent housing (by our own standard) befitting a First World nation.

Let's all forget what had been done to JBJ and Chia Thye Poh and to a certain extent, the inhumane treatment of Chee Soon Juan. Let's all forget the courage shown by Chee Siok Chin and her demolition of LKY aura of invincibility in the courtroom.

Let's all forget the claim that we are not a corrupt nation. Let's not mention again NKF, Ren Ci homosexual monks rappelling down Suntec City for the President Charity and City Harvest Church.

Let's all remember mankind's innate selfishness for self preservation and interest. Let's all remember the turncoats of nations and the those who died because of them.

Let us all forever just resign to the PAP's rule. Let's all bend over.

 

[zhihau]

Not GY? You have insider information?

bro Scroobal can tell you better. had the brainchild of that apology been GY, we could see him in a safe zone during the last GE :o:o:o

 

[Debonerman]

The successful facade of Singapore today is the result of governance and policies executed by the PAP of a generation ago. What happens down the road a generation later? It scares the hell out of me even tho I'll be gone by then. It took the three major races 50 years to learn to live harmoniously together. How long more and before how many trials of attacks on the social fabric it will take for the new ingredients in the salad bowl?

Would things had be different if Lee Hsien Loong's first wife had not died?