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[LaoTze]

Is USA really able to fight against China with or without allies?
When the only wars USA won after WW2 were the wars USA fought against Panama and Grenada and Nicaragua.
USA would not even have won in WW2 in the Pacific but for China taking on 80% of the Japan military might in China and killing over 1.5 million Japanese soldiers even though Chinese had very little arms to fight the Japanese. Stalin took on 80% of the Wehrmacht and the cream of Wehrmacht with USA and UK taking on the remaining 20% unfit to fit on the Eastern front or USA would have lost WW2 in Europe.
To date, USA fought wars against goat herders and exfishermen in Afghan and Somali where they were outfought and lost.
Or in Korea when with USA firepower 100 times that of China and yet beaten back south of the Parallel.
Or in Vietnam with firepower 100 times that of VietMinh and China and last seen as

Please do not have war with China.
Do not play games of chicken with China in the South China Sea.
Young men and women of both countries and all countries should smell roses, make love and drink and dine and laugh and go enjoy sunrises and sunsets and play with their kids and children.
Please do not have war with China.
Wuming Chan's answer to Who has a better rocket artillery overall, Russia or the US?
And Saudi Arabia uses Chinese Artillery for the clear advantage over that of the best of USA artillery
Saudis Use Chinese-made Cannons in Yemen
And obsolete Chinese anti tank missile was used to take out M1A1
Wuming Chan's answer to Which weapons can destroy an M1 Abrams tank with one shot?
And forget the bases in Japan , Okinawa and Guam should war breaks out.
USA hoping for Japan to provide them with cannon and missile fodder?
Which is why USA now moving the B2s to station them in Hawaii instead of at Guam.
In the first 20++ minutes, all the bases in Japan and Guam will be cratered and hit by the DongFangs with conventional warheads ensuring their planes cannot take off.
During that time, Japanese command centers will blown up killing all those inside.
See the photos of test sites in Western China of dummy airfields and plane shelters of air and naval bases in Japan being hit so accurately by DFs.
By your own Western military experts. Even if they underestimated the numbers of DFs and Cruise Missiles of China in their reports.
The same way they thought China has only 260 nukes.
The same way Mc Arthur thought no Chinese at all in Korea until Chinese appeared in the hundreds of thousands right within USA and UN troops!
First Strike: China's Missile Threat to U.S. Bases in Asia
Then Chinese cruise missiles will fly in their thousands to take out what not taken out in the first 30 minutes. Chinese AShMs will burn and incinerate Japanese Naval assets.
USA K-135 Stratotankers EC-135s and AEWCs will be taken out by China with her very very long range BVRAAMs flying at Mach 6. On day 1 of a war.
Air Force secretary: China, Russia could shoot down new JSTARS on day one of a war
China's Mach 6 Monster Air-to-Air Missile Could Make the U.S. Air Force Come in for a ‘Crash Landing’
You think you got stealth planes?
CHINA MAY HAVE DEPLOYED UHF YLC-8B ANTI-STEALTH RADAR NEAR TAIWAN STRAIT
China Reveals Prototype Configuration Of Jam Resistant And Counter-Stealth 'Quantum Radar'
Chinese report on YLC-8B radar
USA sending in her F-22, F35s, B1s and B2s?
How difficult is it to detect stealth planes and to target them when the quality of radar Chinese are dealing with can be set to detect not just mosquitoes a few kilometers away.
Whether the mosquito is female or male will also be known.
Your stealth F-22 F35s or B1s B2s got smaller radar profile than a mosquito?
Smaller then the difference between a male and female mosquito?
China Using Radar To Combat Mosquitoes
China is using military technology to wage war ... on mosquitoes
USA or Israeli got any systems able to do that?
Thank you USA for enforcing ban on China in purchasing that from Israel or other countries.
Forcing China to do it all on its own and leaving you either far behind or far far behind.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that filters are in place to ignore normal mosquitoes flying at 10 to 20 km per hour. Any mosquito, or bird, flying at 100 mph or faster will be picked up. China got AI recognition to pick up and pin point faces from videos in cities of a few dozen millions.
Picking up F-22 of radar profile of a bird that travel close to Mach 1 will be a piece of cake.
And sending Mach 6 BVRAAMs to take down that fast flying bird.
Will they hope to hide from the Divine Eagles and more? who then will signal to the BVRAAMs to take them down?

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China’s Divine Eagle anti-stealth UAV is probably an interferometer​

10,000 Divine Eagle L-band T/R module interferometer / 1,200 F-35 X-band T/R module AESA radar = Eight times greater sensitivity based on module count
Why does China’s Divine Eagle UAV have a maximum altitude of 79,000 feet?
According to Popular Science, China’s Divine Eagle UAV has a maximum altitude of 25km (or 79,000 feet).
In contrast, the US Global Hawk has a maximum altitude of only 18km (or 57,000 feet).​

And Chinese Soar Dragon XiangLong
ANOTHER BIG BIRD
The 7-10 ton Xianglong, with some stealthy features, would make an ideal EW drone thanks to its huge size, and lone endurance. Its unique 20 meter joined tandem wings increase its range and on station time.
http://www.top81.cn, via yexu at China Defense Forum​

vacuuming up a wealth of data, for extended periods of time.​

The system might also move beyond a surveillance role. Chinese engineers have noted that the Xianglong's large payload, endurance and range makes it ideal for electronic warfare (EW) missions, both for gathering intelligence on electronic activity, as well as carrying jammers to disrupt enemy radars and datalinks. In wartime, the Xianglong's high altitude jammers would seek to disrupt not only the radars of enemy fighters and missiles, but also jam and spoof communications between enemy bombers, airborne early warning and control aircraft, drones and even datalinks between satellites, ships, land based missile launchers and missiles. in such role, the EW Xianglong would operate alongside a host of other Chinese EW aircraft, including Y-9 heavy transport jammers, J-16 and JH-7 strike aircraft, in both offensive and defensive operations.​

Now you can tell me about your dog fights and air combats with China when your planes got no bases to take off from or to land and no carriers and no KC135 tankers and no AEWCs and no JSTARS to tell your pilots what the fuck to do.​

Please do not have war with China.
Young men and women of both countries and all countries should smell roses, make love and drink and dine and laugh and go enjoy sunrises and sunsets and play with their kids and children.
Please do not have war with China.
Tracking too USA carriers once past the 3rd Island Chain and knowing where they are every second every minute and every hour.
China is world leader in AI to identify wanted faces captured from many video cameras in cities of 20 to 30 millions using facial recognition.
So showing images like below to try to state complexity of identification is a joke!
Is that much more complex than the seeking and finding of a face using video cameras among 30 miilion faces?
Do try something a thousand times, a hundred thousand times more complex!
China is also heads and shoulders above USA in numbers and power of supercomputers and I can almost guarantee those will be used for identify and track simple ships, bigger ships, naval ships and of course USA carriers once that cross the 3rd Island chain.

Look too, at the images and videos below.
If USA intend on agression, all USA carriers will be seen and targeted once they cross the 3rd Island Chain from satellites and high flying drones from above and sonar detectors on ocean bed. Meant to be there listening to fishes and whales. And of course readily listening to carriers and ships on the surface.
The carriers can run but cannot hide.
See this.

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Truly god view, Jilin-1 video satellite shot @OneSpace01 OS-X1 suborbital rocket's launch at JSLC this noon.
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If Chinese satellite can track a moving rocket and follow it on video , keeping it smoothly in center of view, how difficult will it be to track and follow moving US carriers in Pacific?
Tracking by radar is even easier than tracking with video.
And relay telemetry and information to drones and AShMs and DFs?
China not only has many satellites above, very high flying drones at 25,000 meters are also flying. And the sea floor strewn with acoustic sonars. Those are supposed to be listen to fishes . But I can imagine that they are listening to submarines and to turning of big big blades of ships, and carriers.
And the supercomputers of China will not be catching Pokemon monsters or mining Bitcoins. All the signals from satellites and drones and acoustic sonars will be integrated to form a very coherent real time knowledge where what carriers are and their supporting ships and where they are heading and what speed they are going at.
And relay telemetry and information to drones and AShMs and DFs?
Will the carriers be moving faster than the Mach 15++ rocket?
And thousands of Mach 3s AShMs to overwhelm their defences.
USA got any experiences in dealing with those AShMs , and the DF21Ds and DF26Bs?
Meet China latest anti ship ballistic missile CM-401 designed to porpoise to evade defense and hit enemy carriers at Mach 10.
China Reveals Short-Range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Designed To Dodge Enemy Defenses

China Reveals Short-Range Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile Designed To Dodge Enemy Defenses

Your carriers will be seen and targeted and left burning and burning.
Be very aware of what an AShM with a 300-500 kg semi armour piercing shape charged warhead can do.​

Current carriers and Burke & Ticonderagos are not armoured. The inner bulkheads will be blown through from one end to the other end and cooking off all the fuel and ammo and rockets inside the hull.
See the video. If an entire ship like above could not contain the hellfire from just one missile seen burning all through the ship, please do not imagine and invoke the often resurrected crap talk of bulkheads and multi spaces containing the blast.
Remember too the missile will not be just the warhead exploding. The rest of the missile of 2 to 3 tons including unburned fuel will be smashing in behind the warhead at Mach 3 to 4, from one end of the ship to the other end of that ship. Faster than the 5 kg of penetrator of an APFSDS, and a lot heavier and deadlier.
Will the captain, and his crew, worry about the carrier sinking or floating after such a hit?
More likely than not, that carrier will be hit 5 to 6 times , and not just once.
USA admirals , and captain of that carrier and brave men and women on board happy carrier only burning and not sinking?
I wish them joy in that comfort the carrier still floating!
Chinese have about 3,000 of these kind of AShCMs.
In the form of Mach 3–4 YJ-12s carrying 400–500 semi shaped charge warheads, fired outside the AEGIS cover. The YJ-12 can also do evasive maneuvers to avoid anti-missile threats.
YJ-12 - Wikipedia
There is also the YJ-18 with reach exceeding Aegis cover. YJ-18 will start off at sub Mach 1. Until about 20 km from target , it will sprint at Mach 3–4 to deliver good news to the carrier .
China's YJ-18 Supersonic Anti-Ship Cruise Missile: America's Nightmare?
This Chinese description relates that the missile’s great strength is its “亚超结合的独特动力” [subsonic and supersonic combined unique propulsion]. Another term applied to this design is “双速制反舰导弹” [dual speed control ASCM]. As explained in the article, it is projected that YJ-18 would have an initial subsonic phase estimated at .8 Mach similar to the Klub of about 180km, but 20km from the target would unleash the supersonic sprint vehicle at speed of Mach 2.5 to 3. The “dual speed” function allows the system to realize certain advantages of subsonic cruise missiles, such as their “relatively long range, light weight and universality …” but also takes the chief advantage of supersonic ASCMs as well, namely the ability to “大幅压缩敌方的反应时间” [radically compress the enemy’s reaction time].
The Chinese article relates another advantage of the “dual speed” approach. Just as the missile comes into contact with the ship’s defenses, it “sheds the medium stage …,” thus simultaneously and dramatically altering both its speed and also its radar reflection, “which would impact the fire control calculation.” The likelihood that YJ-18 improves upon the Klub missile’s “digitization, automation, as well as providing more intelligent flight control and navigation technology” is attributed in the Chinese article to a recent Jane’s report.
If USA intend on agression, all USA carriers will be seen and targeted once they cross the 3rd Island Chain from satellites and high flying drones from above and sonar detectors on ocean bed. Meant to be there listening to fishes and whales. And of course readily listening to carriers and ships on the surface.
The carriers can run but cannot hide.​

Do USA choose to give China the experience of fighting that kind of war?
Please do not have war with China.
Do not play games of chicken with China in the South China Sea.
Young men and women of both countries and all countries should smell roses, make love and drink and dine and laugh and go enjoy sunrises and sunsets and play with their kids and children.
Please do not have war with China.
You think this war can ever be stopped once this war is started?
That it will not go on to nuclear war?
When the carriers start to burn and burn that USA will not then be tempted to use nuke on China thinking China only got 260 nukes or so?
But if even one nuke land on China or Chinese forces, USA and all of USA bases around the world from Guam to Okinawa and Japan and Diego Garcia and Singapore and UK and Europe will become lakes and seas of molten glowing green and multicolored glass.
This is what you want to happen?
Read below as to the nukes China is likely to have.
Wuming Chan's answer to Could China's 200 nukes realistically kill more than 50% of the US population in a nuclear war?
Wuming Chan's answer to Which missile can be considered as the world's most dangerous Intercontinental Ballistic missile (ICBM) ?
Will the quarrels and disagreements that lead to this war be relevant or even remembered once the war started?
Can this kind of war ever come to an end once started?
Isnt there enough problems with our Earth that best be addressed together instead of thinking of ways to kill each other and have war with each other?

 

[tun_dr_m]

https://www.rt.com/usa/443911-pence-cold-war-china/


VP Pence said to be gearing up for all-out Cold War with China unless it bows to all US demands
Published time: 14 Nov, 2018 06:48 Edited time: 14 Nov, 2018 07:04
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Washington expects Beijing to undertake a dramatic change in all of its policies to accommodate US demands and is prepared for prolonged hostilities if it does not, Vice President Mike Pence reportedly said.
The confrontational stance of the Trump administration was described by journalist Josh Rogin in a Washington Post opinion piece. He said Pence outlined it to him during a flight aboard Air Force Two on the VP’s Asian trip.
The US wants China to offer concessions on a wide range of grievances, from intellectual property protection to territorial claims in the South China Sea.





Chinese President Xi Jinping is also expected to make a pledge to change Beijing’s economic, military, and political behavior during his meeting with US President Donald Trump on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Buenos Aires on November 30. If Washington is not satisfied, there will be “an all-out Cold War,” according to Rogin.
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US calls for end to South China Sea militarization, China says to stop sending warships
“I think much of that will depend on Argentina,” Pence said. “The president’s attitude is, we want to make sure they know where we stand, what we are prepared to do, so they can come to Argentina with concrete proposals that address not just the trade deficit that we face… We’re convinced China knows where we stand.”
Pence said the US is “in a strong position” for a potential escalation of the trade war it has already unleashed on China. He added that the US had no intention of ceding influence in Asia to China and will not back down if Beijing choses to continue its current policies.
“Then so be it,” Pence said. “We are here to stay.”
Washington has been ramping up pressure on Beijing in recent years, imposing tariffs on Chinese goods and lately accusing China of interfering in US domestic politics.
Beijing seems to have no intention to concede. It responded to US tariffs with its own protectionist measures and continues its multibillion-dollar One Belt investment program, which is meant to secure additional stable trade routes to its most important suppliers and customers.
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[tanwahtiu]

Chao angmoh are going bankrupt soon from many countries dumping US currency.

Talk big for fuck, chao angmoh US shitskins.

 

[KuanTi01]

Bloody idiots riding on Trump's coattails! Talk so big and totally disrespectful! Trump should worry about the Cold War and its effect on the USA.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Finally the Yanks are standing up to the ah tiongs....the ah tiongs have been getting a free ride concerning trade with the USA,,,,now the yanks are finally fighting back,,,

 

[Sir_Fcuk]

knn all look like they want to pang sai

 

[syed putra]

Chao angmoh are going bankrupt soon from many countries dumping US currency.

Talk big for fuck, chao angmoh US shitskins.

USD value going up

 

[syed putra]

Bloody idiots riding on Trump's coattails! Talk so big and totally disrespectful! Trump should worry about the Cold War and its effect on the USA.

US can bring major powers to its knees withour firing a shot.

 

[syed putra]

knn all look like they want to pang sai

Whats the point of this self torture? It may work 200 years ago but its not workable now with weapons of mass destruction.

 

[Ang4MohTrump]

https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2018-11-14/doc-ihnvukfe8334203.shtml

美媒：美副总统乘机飞越南海 距中国岛礁仅80公里

美媒：美副总统乘机飞越南海 距中国岛礁仅80公里



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来源：环球时报

美国副总统彭斯
综合美国《华盛顿邮报》、《商业内幕》网站11月13日报道，美国副总统彭斯本周二从日本乘坐“空军二号”飞机飞越南海前往新加坡，其飞行路线距离中国南沙群岛的岛礁最近只有50英里（80公里）的距离。据华盛顿邮报记者乔希·罗金描述称，彭斯将他的这次飞越视为一次“航行自由”的行动。“我们不会被吓倒，”彭斯说，“我们不会退缩，将会继续继续执行航行自由任务”。罗金称，这次行动是为了表明美国无意将该地区的影响或控制权移交给北京。

资料图：美军航母
据美媒报道称，如今世界上两个全球性大国之间的关系正面临至关重要的考验，根据彭斯副总统的说法，如果中国想要避免与美国及其合作伙伴进行冷战，它必须从根本上改变其行为。
美媒表示，美国军方目前定期在全球范围内开展航行自由行动，而在南海的行动因为中国的关系更受到关注。彭斯的这次飞行距离南海的岛礁有很远的距离，这显然不是一次官方的“航行自由”行动，也不是像美军轰炸机偶尔进行的飞越任务一样专门进行示威的行动。

资料图：中国军机巡航南海
针对美方频繁炒作南海问题，中国外交部曾多次表示，中国对南海诸岛及其附近海域拥有无可争辩的主权，南海地区的航行和飞越自由根本不存在任何问题。美方打着“航行和飞越自由”的旗号，频繁派军舰军机到南海抵近中国南海岛礁，擅自闯入中国西沙群岛领海，这才是在制造紧张、搞“军事化”。



US media: US Vice President took the opportunity to fly to the Vietnamese Sea, only 80 kilometers away from the Chinese island reef
US media: US Vice President took the opportunity to fly to the Vietnamese Sea, only 80 kilometers away from the Chinese island reef
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Source: Global Times

US Vice President Burns

The US "Washington Post" and "Business Insider" website reported on November 13 that US Vice President Pensburn flew from Vietnam to Singapore on the "Air Force II" plane on Tuesday, and its flight route was from the island of China's Nansha Islands. The reef has only recently been 50 miles (80 kilometers) away. According to the Washington Post reporter Josh Rokin, Burns regards his flying over as a "freedom of navigation" action. "We will not be intimidated," said Burns. "We will not back down and will continue to carry out the mission of freedom of navigation." Luo Jin said that the action was to show that the United States did not intend to transfer the influence or control of the region to Beijing.

Data Map: US Army Aircraft Carrier

According to US media reports, the relationship between the two global powers in the world is now facing a crucial test. According to Vice President Burns, if China wants to avoid a cold war with the United States and its partners, it must Fundamentally change its behavior.

The US media said that the US military is currently conducting free navigation activities on a global scale, and the actions in the South China Sea are more concerned because of China's relations. This flight of Burns is a long way from the island reefs of the South China Sea. This is obviously not an official "freedom of navigation" operation, nor is it a special demonstration as the US bomber occasionally carries out the overflight mission.

Data Map: Chinese Military Aircraft Cruises in the South China Sea

In response to the frequent speculation of the South China Sea by the US side, the Chinese Foreign Ministry has repeatedly stated that China has indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea Islands and its adjacent waters, and there is no problem with navigation and overflight freedom in the South China Sea. Under the banner of "voyage and overflight freedom", the United States frequently sent warships to the South China Sea to reach the South China Sea reef and sneak into the territorial waters of China's Xisha Islands. This is creating tension and "militaryization."

 

[Ang4MohTrump]

MAGA Dotard is all alone by himself now. All allies are Pissed Off by him, and all Friends had been Betrayed and left him. WW3 will be lost by USA. No one will help nor mercy! Excellent time to finish off the USA!

 

[tun_dr_m]

https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/china/2018-11-14/doc-ihnvukfe7664684.shtml

俄媒：中国某些新武器领先幅度之大 俄或不得不买

俄媒：中国某些新武器领先幅度之大 俄或不得不买

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11月11日，中国空军成立69周年这一天，歼-20战斗机首次以4机编队亮相珠海航展，振奋人心。13日在接受《焦点访谈》采访时，歼-20战斗机总设计师杨伟提到，歼-20隐身性、远程打击能力和信息化作战能力还没有在航展上展示出来。（来源：玄铁重剑）


俄罗斯《独立报》网站11月13日发布了题为《中国会不会成为俄罗斯的“老大哥”》的报道，报道称，近期在国际航空领域的标志性事件，是在中国珠海国际航展中心举行的2018年中国国际航空航天博览会。俄罗斯带来了最具代表性、规模最大的展品，两国官方人士和专家对军民航空、防空等领域的双边合作不吝赞美之词。
俄媒认为，中国展示的量产型和试验型航空武器装备让人得出一个“不令人宽慰”的结论：在某些领域，中国对邻国的领先幅度之大，以至于俄罗斯很快将不得不向他们购买武器。

图为俄罗斯苏-35战斗机
报道称，军事技术合作是俄中关系最重要的方向之一。珠海航展俄罗斯代表团团长、俄联邦军事技术合作局局长德米特里·舒加耶夫说：“如今，俄罗斯与中国的订单总额超过70亿美元。我认为，对评估我们的合作规模来说，中国在俄罗斯军品订单中所占的比例稳步提高，从2013年的5%增长至现在的14%至15%。”

图为俄罗斯S-400防空导弹系统
报道认为，近来，遭遇西方制裁和恶性竞争的俄罗斯在东方明显活跃起来。2018年中国国际航空航天博览会就是证明。俄罗斯企业带来了最重要的研究成果，如苏-35歼击机（中国已经采购）、苏-32轰炸机（苏-34的出口版）、雅克-130教练战斗机、米-171Sh和米-17V-5直升机、S-400防空导弹系统、S-300系列防空导弹系统、“山毛榉”防空导弹系统（包括最新版的“维京人”）、“道尔”防空导弹系统的各种改型、“柳树”便携式防空导弹系统和“总统-S”机载防御系统等武器。
俄罗斯国家技术集团公司首席执行官谢尔盖·切梅佐夫说：“亚洲市场是俄主要市场之一，而中国则是俄在该地区最大的战略伙伴。中俄两国在军用产品领域的合作占俄罗斯国家技术集团公司与俄罗斯国防产品出口公司订单总量的15%以上。”
俄媒评论称，一方面，珠海航展的初步结果证明了切梅佐夫所说的一切。中国订购了20架喀山直升机厂生产的“安萨特”直升机和6架乌兰乌德航空制造厂生产的米-171A2直升机。俄中AHL重型直升机项目正在谈判中，尽管双方还未充分达成一致。水上飞机领域也有成果。
另一方面，对中国参展的军民两用产品的分析得出一个“不令人宽慰”的结论：中国专家在某些方面已经走得很远，以至于俄罗斯同行现在不得不到这里来取经。
俄媒认为，当然，这首先指的是无人机。中方参展的各种量产型、试验型和未来无人机令人震撼。
这里有著名的“翼龙”“彩虹”和“云影”系列无人侦察攻击机、更大型的TYW-1侦察无人机和XY-280隐形无人机、察打一体的AV500系列无人直升机、在环形管上安装螺旋桨的X-Hawk-1垂直起降无人机、体型巨大的X-Hawk-2察打一体旋翼无人机、载重2吨的TW356超大型无人运输机模型（外形让人想起法国“神经元”无人机和美国舰载无人机的隐形全翼无人机）。

图为中国歼-15战斗机
报道称，在载人飞机领域，中国也已经拥有一些与俄罗斯并驾齐驱或超过、正在追赶美国的产品：第5代战机（两种）、安装矢量发动机的第4++代歼-10B多功能战机、歼-15舰载机、运-20重型运输机、各种武装直升机和多功能直升机等。
中国正在测试安装4台涡桨发动机的“鲲龙”AG-600水陆两栖飞机，而俄罗斯的同类产品A-40/42很可能不会再升空。中国研制了各种类型的预警机，而俄罗斯只有一种。
报道认为，同时，不要忘了导弹系统。珠海航展上展出了能攻击地面和海上目标的WS-600L多功能战役战术导弹系统、使用CM-401反舰弹道导弹的地面移动发射装置和舰载发射装置、安装冲压发动机的HD-1超音速导弹。
报道称，在很多中国产品身上不难看到俄罗斯和西方同类产品的元素。但重点不是这个，而是过去作为中国设计师灵感来源的个别国家现在已经在积极购买中国产品。



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Russian media: China’s new weapons lead the way, Russia may have to buy
Russian media: China’s new weapons lead the way, Russia may have to buy
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On November 11th, the 69th anniversary of the establishment of the Chinese Air Force, the J-20 fighters made their debut at the Zhuhai Air Show with a 4-machine formation. On the 13th, in an interview with Focus Interview, Yang Wei, the chief designer of the J-20 fighter, mentioned that the 歼-20 stealth, long-range strike capability and information-based combat capability have not been shown at the air show. (Source: Xuan Tie Epee)

On November 13, Russia’s "Independent" website published a report entitled "China will become Russia's "big brother"". The report said that the recent landmark event in the international aviation field was at the Zhuhai International Air Show in China. The 2018 China International Aerospace Exhibition was held at the center. Russia has brought the most representative and largest exhibits. Officials and experts from both countries have praised the bilateral cooperation in the fields of military and civilian aviation and air defense.

The Russian media believes that China’s mass-produced and experimental aviation weapons and equipment have led to a “not reassuring” conclusion: in some areas, China’s leading position to neighboring countries is so large that Russia soon Will have to buy weapons from them.

The picture shows the Russian Su-35 fighter

The report said that military technology cooperation is one of the most important directions of Russia-China relations. Dmitry Shugayev, head of the Russian delegation at the Zhuhai Airshow and the head of the Russian Federation’s Military Technical Cooperation Bureau, said: "Today, Russia and China have orders totaling more than $7 billion. I think the scale of our cooperation is assessed. In this case, China’s share of Russian military orders has steadily increased, from 5% in 2013 to 14% to 15% now.”

The picture shows the Russian S-400 air defense missile system

The report believes that Russia, which has suffered from Western sanctions and vicious competition, has become increasingly active in the East. The 2018 China International Aerospace Exhibition is proof. Russian companies have brought the most important research results, such as Su-35 fighter (China has purchased), Su-32 bomber (Ex-export version of Su-34), Jacques-130 coach fighter, Mi-171Sh and Mi-17V-5 Helicopter, S-400 air defense missile system, S-300 series air defense missile system, "beech" air defense missile system (including the latest version of "Vikings"), "Dawer" air defense missile system, various modifications, "willow "The portable air defense missile system and the "President-S" airborne defense system and other weapons.

Sergei Chemezov, CEO of the Russian National Technology Group, said: "The Asian market is one of the major markets in Russia, while China is Russia's largest strategic partner in the region. China and Russia are in the field of military products. Cooperation accounts for more than 15% of the total orders of Russian National Technology Group Corporation and Russian Defense Products Export Corporation."

The Russian media commented that on the one hand, the preliminary results of the Zhuhai Air Show proved what Chemezov said. China ordered 20 Ansate helicopters from the Kazan helicopter factory and six Mi-171A2 helicopters from the Ulan-Ude Aviation Factory. The Russian-Chinese AHL heavy helicopter project is under negotiation, although the two sides have not yet fully reached an agreement. The seaplane field has also produced results.

On the other hand, the analysis of the military-civilian dual-use products exhibited in China draws a conclusion that is “not reassuring”: Chinese experts have gone so far in some respects that Russian counterparts now have to come here to learn.

Russian media believe that, of course, this first refers to drones. The various mass production, test and future drones exhibited by the Chinese side are shocking.

There are famous "Yilong", "Rainbow" and "Cloud Shadow" series of unmanned reconnaissance attack aircraft, larger TYW-1 reconnaissance drone and XY-280 stealth drone, and the one-of-a-kind AV500 series. Helicopter, X-Hawk-1 vertical takeoff and landing drone with propeller mounted on the toroidal tube, huge X-Hawk-2 single-rotor unmanned aerial vehicle, and 2 ton TW356 super large unmanned transport model (shape) Reminiscent of the French "neuron" drone and the stealth all-wing drone of the US carrier drone.

The picture shows the Chinese J-15 fighter

According to reports, in the field of manned aircraft, China already has some products that are in line with Russia or are catching up with the United States: 5th generation fighters (two types), 4th generation 歼-10B multi-function fighters with vector engines installed. , 歼-15 carrier aircraft, Yun-20 heavy transport aircraft, various armed helicopters and multi-purpose helicopters.

China is testing the "Zhenlong" AG-600 amphibious aircraft with four turboprop engines, and Russia's similar product A-40/42 is likely to not take off again. China has developed various types of early warning aircraft, and Russia has only one.

The report believes that at the same time, don't forget the missile system. At the Zhuhai Air Show, the WS-600L multi-role combat tactical missile system capable of attacking ground and maritime targets, the ground mobile launcher using CM-401 anti-ship ballistic missiles, and the ship launching device, HD-1 with ramjet engine were exhibited. Supersonic missile.

According to the report, it is not difficult to see the elements of similar products in Russia and the West in many Chinese products. But the focus is not on this, but individual countries that used to be the source of inspiration for Chinese designers are now actively buying Chinese products.
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Russians are fearing to lose out if Putin missed the time to buy Xijinping's new ace weapons. Now excellent relationship with China. Must buy ASAP.

This worry is based on their own Soviet history. Initially, Soviet sold cheaply and supported Mao Ze Dong tons of weapons & technologies. Later Stalin quarreled with Mao, turned enemies, BAN ALL SALES, no more buddies. The Russian fear China will change face 变脸.

 

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https://mil.news.sina.com.cn/jssd/2018-11-14/doc-ihnvukff0028925.shtml

我军歼20在航展大展身手 美海军智库竟建议偷走研究

2018年11月14日 20:29 新浪军事



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11月11日，第十二届中国国际航空航天博览会的最后一个公众开放日，4架全新涂装的歼-20战机编队飞临航展会场上空进行飞行展示，将本届航展推向高潮。其中两架战机在绕场盘旋时开启主、侧弹舱，向观众展示战机内载挂弹，这是歼-20首次公开其挂载弹药能力。（来源：军网英文）


上世纪80年代热映的电影《火狐》中，英美合谋潜入俄罗斯，窃取当时最新的战机米格31“火狐”带回研究。而为了盗取机密的米格31战斗机，一名特工由退休生涯中复出，接受一连串的特种训练后，前往俄国，并与俄国特务数次交手，展开一场惊心动魄的激烈空战。虽然这只是电影中的情节，但就在最近，美国海军智库居然认真考虑了用类似的方法，窃取一架歼20战机，带回假想敌中队研究的可能性。

美国人想偷一架歼20带回去研究？
歼20隐形战机在珠海航展上大出风头的同时，也有一部分人试图将罪恶的双手伸向它。11月，美国海军学会《proceedings》杂志发表了一篇名为《解决海军航空兵的假想敌问题》的文章，提到应设法窃取一批歼10、歼15和歼20战机，来用于假想敌机战术研究。值得一提的是，这篇文章的作者是美国海军现役军官Graham scarbro少校，现任美国海军航空兵VFA-32中队部门长。

歼20：这个美海军现役军官智力水平接近智障
美国海军现役军官提出如此荒唐的建议，着实可笑。如果他对第五代战斗机有哪怕一丁点了解，就知道自己的想法愚蠢至极。首先，类似歼20、F22这样的第五代战斗机始终处于严密监控当中，外人想要接近它都非常困难，比如小编喜欢歼20这么久，还从来没有在地面近距离一睹它的芳容。

外人从地面接近歼20的机会为0
其次，能够驾驶歼20的飞行员，都是经过严格政审的，本身就有非常强的爱国热情和身为一个中国人的自信自豪感，任何金钱美女的诱惑，都不可能撼动他们报效祖国的意志。况且今天的中国，物质文化生活早已达到了和西方国家差不多的水平，没有人会因为物质享受而做出愚蠢的事情。

自豪感油然而生
如果不用歼20的飞行员，用类似电影《火狐》里面的特工潜入基地，强行开走行不行呢？面对这一问题，有网友调侃称，首先他得学会世界上最难的语言，因为歼20上所有的开关按钮标示都是中文的，想想电影《太空救援》里的中国宇宙飞船，就知道乱按开关的结果了。除此之外，面对中国复杂的空中航线，估计还得提前准备中文版高德海外地图包和林志玲语音包，才不会飞错地方。

先装凌志玲语音包吧
不仅如此，每架五代机起飞之前，都需要经过一整套严格的自检程序，还有加油加氮加各种特殊的气体，围着它的各种保障车辆甚至可能有十几种，并不是像游戏中一按Backspace键就可以启动发动机直接飞走的，搞定一个人容易，搞定这一堆的高科技设备，估计一个排的007都不一定够用啊。

即使是歼31，一两个人也搞不定啊
更何况，每一架五代机上都会有一整套防劫机设备，据说美军的F22还有自毁系统，一但发现不对劲，就会砰地一声，连同劫机的特工一起炸成碎片。中国歼20上有没有，不确定，但是面对美国海军现役军官的智障想法，有网友称，整这么麻烦干啥，直接拿F22和F35来换，中国一定愿意，说不定还能赠送一架歼31呢。

用歼31换F35，大家支持吗？

玩笑归玩笑，但是从美国海军的反应来看，歼20确实已经成为他们不得不认真对付的一个对手了，敌人对歼20越重视，说明我们的付出和努力越值得。（作者署名：铁翼苍穹）



Our military 歼20 is showing its skills at the air show. The US Navy think tank has suggested stealing research.
November 14, 2018 20:29 Sina Military
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On November 11th, the last public open day of the 12th China International Aviation and Aerospace Exhibition, four newly painted J-20 fighter formations flew over the air show to show the flight, and pushed the current air show to a climax. . Two of the fighters opened the main and side bombs while hovering around the scene, showing the audience the bombs contained in the aircraft. This is the first time that the J-20 has released its ability to mount ammunition. (Source: Military Network English)

In the movie "Firefox" which was shown in the 1980s, the British and American conspiracy sneaked into Russia and stole the latest fighter MiG 31 "Firefox" to bring back research. In order to steal the secret MiG 31 fighter, a special agent returned from his retirement career, after receiving a series of special training, went to Russia, and played against the Russian agents several times to launch a thrilling and intense air battle. Although this is only the plot in the movie, recently, the US Navy think tank has seriously considered the possibility of stealing a 歼20 fighter and bringing back the imaginary enemy squadron in a similar way.
Americans want to steal a 歼20 and bring it back to study? Americans want to steal a 歼20 and bring it back to study?

While the 歼20 stealth fighters made a big splash at the Zhuhai Air Show, some people tried to extend their sinful hands to it. In November, the American Naval Academy's "proceedings" magazine published an article entitled "Solving the Navy's Imaginary Enemy Problem", mentioning that it should try to steal a batch of 歼10, 歼15 and 歼20 fighters for imaginary enemy tactics. the study. It is worth mentioning that the author of this article is the US Navy active officer Graham Scarbro, and is currently the head of the US Naval Air Force VFA-32 Squadron.
歼20: The intelligence level of this US Navy active duty officer is close to mental retardation. 20: This US Navy active duty officer is close to mental retardation.

It is ridiculous that the US Navy’s active duty officers have made such absurd suggestions. If he had a little bit of understanding of the fifth-generation fighter, he knew that his thoughts were stupid. First of all, the fifth-generation fighters like 歼20 and F22 are always under strict surveillance. It is very difficult for outsiders to get close to them. For example, Xiaobian likes to squat for 20 years, and has never seen it close to the ground. .
The chance of an outsider approaching 歼20 from the ground is 0. The chance of an outsider approaching 歼20 from the ground is 0.

Secondly, the pilots who can drive the 歼20 are all undergoing strict political examinations. They have a very strong patriotic enthusiasm and a sense of self-confidence as a Chinese. The temptation of any money beauty cannot incite them to serve the will of the motherland. . Moreover, in today's China, material and cultural life has already reached the level similar to that of Western countries. No one will make stupid things because of material enjoyment.
Pride is alive and proud.

If you don't use the pilot of 歼20, use the agent in the movie "Firefox" to sneak into the base, and forcibly drive away? Faced with this problem, some netizens ridiculed that first he had to learn the most difficult language in the world, because all the switch buttons on the 歼20 are marked in Chinese. Think about the Chinese spaceship in the movie Space Rescue. Know the result of pressing the switch. In addition, in the face of China's complex air routes, it is estimated that the Chinese version of the high German overseas map package and Lin Zhiling voice package must be prepared in advance, so that it will not fly the wrong place.
First install Ling Zhiling voice package, first install Ling Zhiling voice package.

Not only that, but before each five-generation aircraft takes off, it needs to go through a set of strict self-inspection procedures, as well as refueling and nitrogen plus various special gases. There may even be more than a dozen kinds of vehicles around it. Just like pressing the Backspace button in the game, you can start the engine and fly away directly. It is easy to get a person and get the high-tech equipment. It is estimated that a row of 007 is not necessarily enough.
Even if it is 31, one or two people can’t make it. Even if it’s 31, one or two people can’t make it.

What's more, every five-generation machine will have a complete set of anti-hijacking equipment. It is said that the F22 of the US military also has a self-destruct system. Once it is found to be wrong, it will slam and smash together with the hijackers. There is no uncertainty in China’s 歼20, but in the face of the mental retardation of the US Navy’s active duty officers, some netizens said that they are so troublesome and directly exchanged F22 and F35. China will be willing, and maybe even give one.歼31.
Use 歼31 for F35, do you support it? Use 歼31 for F35, do you support it?

Jokes are jokes, but judging from the reaction of the US Navy, the 歼20 has indeed become an opponent that they have to deal with seriously. The more the enemy pays attention to 歼20, the more worthy of our efforts and efforts. (Author's signature: Iron Wing)

 

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Chow Ang Moh stolen Foxbat MiG-25 from Defector @ Japan for COPYCAT

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Good Idea. High time the yanks give the ah tiongs a taste of their own medicine

 

[syed putra]

Go to wherever they made the stuff. The engineers and scientist probably shed the secret of the aircraft to every gro, masseurs and prostitutes in town. Just give them free visas to US with citizenship attached if enough info obtained.

 

[red amoeba]

Chinese stole f22 data to create j20. Now US have steak j20 to create a f23. Just share lah.

 

[tun_dr_m]

Chinese stole f22 data to create j20. Now US have steak j20 to create a f23. Just share lah.

China from drawing board already superior to USAF F-22 which is an expensive and useless junk.

Recently the Hurricane Micheal exposed that DOZENS of F-22 CANNOT FLY! Cannot escape to dodge Storm even. All fucked!

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...l/news-story/d89d7c18e1b3caf550238cbdd7a8a2ba

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F-22 Raptors damaged, destroyed by Hurricane Michael
CLIMATE change has done what decades of warfare has failed to achieve: destroying and damaging the US Air Force’s F-22 Raptor fighters.
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Hurricane Michael: Florida residents brace for the worst storm in a century

THE US Air Force’s Tyndall Air Base in Florida has taken a direct hit. Many of its ultra-advanced F-22 Raptor stealth fighters have been caught on the ground.
Exactly how many of the $475 million aircraft were damaged or destroyed by Hurricane Michael has not yet been revealed.
The United States Air Force could only afford to buy 187 operational examples of the 5th generation stealth fighter. Now, that number may have been significantly reduced.

US authorities won’t yet confirm or deny the details.
Standard procedure is for all combat and support jets to fly to safe havens ahead of such an intense storm.
But not all are able to get into the air.
Complicated aircraft such as the F-22 must spend much of their time in hangars having their electronics, engines, equipment and structure being maintained and repaired.
So when Hurricane Michael slammed into the Florida Coast near Tyndall Air Force Base on Thursday, an unspecified number of the 55-strong Raptor fleet was still on the ground.

A damaged hanger is seen on the grounds of Tyndall Air Force Base after Hurricane Michael passed through the area. Picture: AFPSource:AFP
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Almost all personnel had been evacuated from Tyndall before the Category 4 hurricane crossed the coast. Air force officials admit returning assessment teams have found “widespread catastrophic damage”.
We know 55 Raptors are based there.
Reportedly, 33 F-22s sought sanctuary at the Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.
That leaves 22 of the $475 million warplanes unaccounted for.

Unconfirmed reports suggest at least six — and possibly many more — were forced to seek shelter in the air base’s ‘hurricane-proof’ hangars to tough out the approaching storm.
But Tyndall took a direct hit.

A NOAA satellite view of Tyndall Air Force Base, Florida, after the storm had passed.Source:Supplied
GROUND ZERO
Photos emerging from Florida’s battered west coast show the air force base has been shredded by the hurricane’s 210km/h blast.
Among the debris, pictures circulating on social media show at least two examples of the F-22 Raptor’s distinctive angular lines sitting among the buckled hangars.


Pictures showing upside-down fighter aircraft on the base’s grounds are somewhat deceptive: These came from a static display of decommissioned historic aircraft.
But all of the Tyndall’s hangars were reportedly damaged by the hurricane. In them were a variety of aircraft, ranging from training aircraft through to the frontline F-22s.
Air Force spokeswoman Major Malinda Singleton said in a statement: “We anticipate the aircraft parked inside may be damaged as well,” she said, “but we won’t know the extent until our crews can safely enter those hangars and make an assessment.”


But the broad extent of splintered trees, bent metal and hole-riddled structures does not bode well for the fate of the aircraft.
Access to the base remains difficult, with fallen power lines, trees and structures almost all nearby roads.
“At this point, Tyndall residents and evacuated personnel should remain at their safe location,” Colonel Brian Laidlaw, the commander of the 325th Fighter Wing based at Tyndall, said. “We are actively developing plans to reunite families and plan to provide safe passage back to base housing.
“Teams from around the country have arrived with the people and equipment we need to recover from Hurricane Michael.”

HANGAR QUEEN
While the F-22 Raptor is the pride of the US fighter fleet, it has a reputation for being fragile and finicky. Recent air force assessments found only 49 per cent of the 187-strong (now possibly much fewer) fleet was ready to fly at any given time.
That’s the lowest availability figure for all US combat aircraft.

Production of the F-22, which is the world’s most advanced fighter jet, ceased in 2010. The production-line of the 5th generation aircraft has reportedly since been broken up and parts re-used for the F-35.
A study conducted last year estimated the re-establishing the production line would cost more than $15 billion, and take seven years, to build a new batch of 194 Raptors.

 

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https://thediplomat.com/2018/10/nea...as-damaged-or-destroyed-in-hurricane-michael/

Nearly 10 Percent of the US F-22 Inventory Was Damaged or Destroyed in Hurricane Michael
The bulk of the damaged F-22s may be training units.

By Ankit Panda
October 15, 2018







A significant proportion of the total F-22 Raptor airframes available to the United States Air Force were damaged at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida during Hurricane Michael. According to the U.S. Air Force, as many as 17 F-22 Raptors may have been significantly damaged or destroyed in the hurricane.
The F-22 Raptor is a single-seat, fifth-generation stealth air superiority fighter, widely considered to be one of the most capable military aircraft ever built. The Raptor is no longer in production.
The U.S. Secretary of the Air Force Heather Wilson, General David Goldfein, the chief of staff of the U.S. Air Force, and Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force Gen. Kaleth O. Wright visited Tyndall to take stock of the damage on Sunday.
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55 F-22s are based at Tyndall with the 325th Fighter Wing’s 43rd Fighter Squadron and the 95th Fighter Squadron. The 95th Fighter Squadron’s 24 F-22s are combat-coded and operational. The 43rd Fighter Squadron’s 31 F-22s comprise the primary training unit for the Raptor.
As of May 2018, the U.S. Air Force had 186 available F-22 Raptor air frames in its inventory. With potentially 17 out of commission due to damage or destruction, nearly 10 percent of the remaining F-22 inventory was affected by Hurricane Michael, which was the third-most intense Atlantic hurricane to make landfall in the United States in recorded history.
According to the New York Times, the U.S. Air Force reacted before the storm to divert some F-22 units away from Tyndall Air Force Base, anticipating damage from the hurricane. “Before the storm, the Air Force sent at least 33 of the fighters to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio,” the Times reported.
It’s unclear which specific units were left behind at Tyndall AFB. Given the diversion of 33 F-22s, it appears that nearly all of the remaining fighters suffered some damage in the hurricane, which made a near-Category 5 landfall, coming in far stronger than its expected Category 3 intensity.
As Tyler Rogoway has explained at The Drive, the considerable maintenance and support required for each F-22 airframe meant that a complete evacuation was implausible. Apart from the 33 fighters that were sent to Ohio, the remainder may have been in various states of hardware and software maintenance, making it impossible for them to fly away prior to the hurricane’s landfall.
The F-22 Raptor has a reputation for needing considerable maintenance and repair per flight hour. The U.S. Air Force found earlier this year that “less than half [of all F-22s] are mission-capable” at any given time.
Depending on the precise damage and destruction suffered by the F-22s at Tyndall, the total cost may come out to more than $2 billion. The damage underlines the threat posed by nontraditional threats from extreme weather events in and around the United States as a result of climate change.
Update: In a statement Sunday evening, Wilson noted that “Damage was less than we feared and preliminary indications are promising.” The damage assessment is still ongoing.