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halsey02

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The 2 casinos are bad for Singapore in generations to come. It has actually make me my rethink to support the PAP. Look at the social issue and crime.

Loanshark harassment cases of 10000 cases a year, more snatch theives, more robberies, more frauds in civil service and private companies.

Only stupidity prevails amongst these short sightness PAP ministers.

My suggestion - SHUT THE 2 CASINOS DOWN to preserve our future generations.

Civil service is they are paying them too little so they got greedy, tempted, must increase their salaries & bonuses, but too much money, make them 'itchy', so they started sniffing 'hum' & eating 'mangoes'... ha ha ha it became, is it too little, too much? which is which? too much money, too little sex? ha ha ha ha
 

winnaturalnine

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Everything has risk.
Its how you maintain your discipline and manage your cash flow.
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Re: For those that bet on soccer, roughly overall how much have you won or loss so f

Originally Posted by camtt

you are totally wrong.

My thread survey is on those pple that bet on soccer, meaning got include many of those that bet small but on a regular basis and not neccesary must be hardcore gamblers, these leisure soccer punters they got keep some P/L records. Someone just told me in his 11 years of soccer betting since 2002, he said he lost abt $32,000.

Even those people that spent a fixed amount of their salary on TOTO every mth, quite many got keep a rough records of their total wins/losses too, got 1 cab-driver went on CH 8 a TV documentary program, he said in his 20 years of buying TOTO, he had spent a total of about $48,000, he said he kept a record, he said he would buy 1 ticket of system 12 every week without fail for the past 20 years

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I lost almost $30K on SinkiePoolz.
But since two IRs opened, I had Earned about $130K.
 

aurvandil

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The following is the background of how we got to where we are today.

There are many ways to contain the social problems of casino gambling. Unfortunately we are hampered by the current poorly thought-out levy system which was proposed by a group of young inexperienced Admin Service officers pretending to be gurus.

If you look through the files, the main thinking was simply to "equalize" the cost of visiting the IRs with the cost of going to Genting. The $100 24hr levy was therefore calculated based on the cost of transport to Genting. The annual $2k levy in turn was simplistically derived by the upper quartile of visits by Singapore visitors to Genting (statistics courtesy of the Genting group which was then bidding for a license).

Given the large amount of money which had to be invested to build the IRs, it was felt that it was necessary to provide a commercial guarantee so bidders could have a time frame to recoup their investments. The levy amounts were therefore written in the CCA to remain valid for a period of 10 years from 2006. This 10 year commitment was made in spite of the lack of any serious research or experience as to whether the levy system would work.

Shortly after the IRs were open, it became apparent that that while the $100 daily levy was having the desired effect of discouraging casual casino visits, the annual levy was a gaping loophole for regular casino goers to significantly exceed the desired number of casino visits. In effect, the levy system was keeping out those who were not really in danger while letting in problem gamblers who would gamble their lives away.

Looking back at the assumptions behind the annual levy, it became obvious how naive and simplistic the assumptions were. It also emerged that there were better ways than levies to control problem gambling in Singapore. Good examples of this are Visit limits/ Loss limits based on declared income. Unfortunately because of the 10 year commitment in the CCA, nothing could be done to fundamentally correct the annual $2k levy policy mistake. Instead, the best which could be done was to pretend there is no problem and introduce piece-meal tweaks that give the impression that the Singapore government is "doing a lot" to prevent problem gambling from taking root in Singapore.

At this point in time, it is unknown what will happen when the 10 years expire. After the novelty has worn off, both RWS and MBS are in the doldrums. The market for high rollers has failed to take off because of the strict controls against the main junket players who all have triad links. Relaxation on this front is impossible because of political reasons. As is, it is already tough enough to conceal news from Singaporeans of the Sands group involvement with the triads in their Macau operations. The hope that the casinos will be able to attract premium foreign players on their own has failed. The extension of credit by the casinos directly to some premium players have resulted in a number of unwanted lawsuits against players who lose and then refuse to pay. Hence even before correcting the S$2k annual levy policy mistake, there are doubts as to whether RWS/MBS can remain commercially viable. If action is taken to correct the failed levy system, there is a good chance of insolvency of one if not both casinos.


How does Macau and KL handle social ills arising from gambling? I think they just accept higher crime and broken families as a permanent feature.
 
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Agoraphobic

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There are many ways to contain the social problems of gambling. ....

Why is there a need to control it? If it is legal, then anybody (of legal age) can be admitted to participate, if it is illegal, then nobody is allowed to play. It is that simple. What makes one human different from another? For those who feel it is not good, just refrain. For those who are not in the financial situation to participate, then it is up to their own will power to stay away. I think most people who do not go do not impose their beliefs on others. Social problems? That's just part of society, there will be the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Cheers!
 

Dreamer1

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Just waiting for the eventual, 'It's an honest mistake, lets move on.'
Singapore the red dot,where the biggest casino are within walking distances to the biggest banks in the world.what will happen?does one need to be a Rocket Engineer 2 know?
 

halsey02

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Singapore the red dot,where the biggest casino are within walking distances to the biggest banks in the world.what will happen?does one need to be a Rocket Engineer 2 know?

We already have tow "casinoes" - "T" & GI"..whose free chips to gamble..oops! "invest long term" from from C, then you Pee & then gets F...ha ha ha ha
 

Narong Wongwan

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Why is there a need to control it? If it is legal, then anybody (of legal age) can be admitted to participate, if it is illegal, then nobody is allowed to play. It is that simple. What makes one human different from another? For those who feel it is not good, just refrain. For those who are not in the financial situation to participate, then it is up to their own will power to stay away. I think most people who do not go do not impose their beliefs on others. Social problems? That's just part of society, there will be the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Cheers!

Dun open is the best....but greedy pappies can't let go of any chance to make money.
Yes agree dun be hypocrites....if open then dun impose useless wayang restrictions.

Bro aurvandil insightful post but I not sure if the IRs are in doldrums is correct....pap been trumpeting they overtook Las Vegas?
 

zhihau

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but I not sure if the IRs are in doldrums is correct....pap been trumpeting they overtook Las Vegas?

bro,
me use to go Vivo often and me noticed the traffic into Sentosa is much better these days compared to two years back...
 

jw5

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Singapore the red dot,where the biggest casino are within walking distances to the biggest banks in the world.what will happen?does one need to be a Rocket Engineer 2 know?

And so what if the biggest casinoes are within walking distances to the biggest banks in the world?

The bankers from the biggest banks will go to the casinoes?
The patrons will go and withdraw money from the biggest banks?
 

Narong Wongwan

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bro,
me use to go Vivo often and me noticed the traffic into Sentosa is much better these days compared to two years back...

Yes I've been told too though I haven step into RWS.
MBS I've sneaked in and business there is brisk though maybe off from its peak as I know many are nursing their wounds. The thing with casinos is there are always new punters to pick up the slack.
I foresee good business till maybe newer casinos open in the region.
 

Agoraphobic

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what consists of good governance then, may one ask :smile::smile::smile:

With as little interference as possible and allow the will of the people to prevail. Gov't is to attend to certain things like foreign relationships, defense, power/energy/water supplies, construction of infrastructure (eg/ highways, sewerage). I speak as a foreigner, so I will not get too deep into your home affairs - I'm of the opinion that for such a little piece of land, Singapore's parliament is way too big - eighty over seats when just five will do (East, South, West, North, and Central will suffice). And getting involved in how people run their lives is totally not needed.

Cheers!
 

jw5

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With as little interference as possible and allow the will of the people to prevail. Gov't is to attend to certain things like foreign relationships, defense, power/energy/water supplies, construction of infrastructure (eg/ highways, sewerage). I speak as a foreigner, so I will not get too deep into your home affairs - I'm of the opinion that for such a little piece of land, Singapore's parliament is way too big - eighty over seats when just five will do (East, South, West, North, and Central will suffice). And getting involved in how people run their lives is totally not needed.

Cheers!

5 seats only?
So if one go toilet, one MC and one is the speaker, the other 2 will have to ask and answer each other questions the whole day?
 

Agoraphobic

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Gambling is socially accepted in Singapore. Therefore the gov't should allow licensed casinos, and be privately operated. In any case, illegal gambling dens were already operating in Singapore long ago. I remember during primary school, we schoolboys knew where to go after classes to play picture cards which was vehemently banned by the principal. Many coffeeshops allowed taxi drivers to play poker during afternoons and would shut their main entrance gates to hide the activity. In Loyang and Geylang, there were even chicken gelangangs for cock-fighting matches.

Cheers!

Dun open is the best....but greedy pappies can't let go of any chance to make money.
Yes agree dun be hypocrites....if open then dun impose useless wayang restrictions.

Bro aurvandil insightful post but I not sure if the IRs are in doldrums is correct....pap been trumpeting they overtook Las Vegas?
 

zhihau

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With as little interference as possible and allow the will of the people to prevail.

thank you, bro, it's very insightful indeed.
consider me old school, but every fibre of me believes that good governance follows an order: 修身 齐家 治国 平天下
if the social ills tears the bedrock of the very fabric of a nation, whereof a nation to speak of?
 

Narong Wongwan

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That was true about a year back. Reality has recently hit home with two consecutive poor quarters.

Oic. No tears shed from me.
Interesting to see what pap will do to die die prop up the IRs....
Release cpf to allow for exchange for gambling chips?
 

Agoraphobic

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5 seats only?
So if one go toilet, one MC and one is the speaker, the other 2 will have to ask and answer each other questions the whole day?

Doesn't matter. All they do all the time is shit, pee and fart anyways. In any case, those still in the room can jack off for each other, they're paid to do it.

Cheers!
 

Agoraphobic

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...if the social ills tears the bedrock of the very fabric of a nation, whereof a nation to speak of?


Don't worry, Singaporeans are an orderly people who do not want chaos. There may be some anti-social Ah Bengs around, but they are few and easily fall in with the mainstream. There are no extremist groups in Singapore who are organised to cause trouble. Nobody grew up chewing gum in Singapore. They will obey.

Cheers!
 
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