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New Life - Are you one of the 40K per year?

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""According to Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, 3 to 4 % of the top 30% of the population of Singapore emigrate to other developed countries every year. We are looking at between 40,000 to 60,000 Singaporeans* vying to get out of the country each year. The competition is fierce. Twenty years ago, it is possible for an application to be approved within three months. Now we are looking at three to five years of processing and waiting time."""



Wednesday, August 31, 2011

Emigrating to Canada - My personal experience.
Many Singaporeans have written to me seeking advice on how to emigrate to Canada. Please understand that I am not an emigration consultant and I do not pretend to be one. However I can share my personal experience with those who are interested in emigrating to Canada. I have no experience about emigration to New Zealand, Australia or any other countries.

Emigration is an important decision that should not be taken lightly especially out of spite. It does not only affect that individual but his/her family and generations that follow. Failure would be costly and painful. It is not a bed of roses if you are not adaptable to changes and prepared to work hard to make it a success. Nothing comes easy but the reward is priceless.

The actual application for emigration to Canada is not difficult. You can go online or to the Canadian High Commission and fill up the relevant forms and answer all the questions honestly and fulfill all other requirements, i.e. notarized documents, good conduct certificate from police,etc.

You do not have to engage the services of an emigration consultant if you can read and write English. The success of your application is based primarily on points system and the availability of the jobs and criteria you are seeking.

The current quota for new immigrants to Canada is 250,000 people worldwide annually. You will have to compete with all other applications from people of all nations for a place in this quota.

According to Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy, 3 to 4 % of the top 30% of the population of Singapore emigrate to other developed countries every year. We are looking at between 40,000 to 60,000 Singaporeans* vying to get out of the country each year. The competition is fierce. Twenty years ago, it is possible for an application to be approved within three months. Now we are looking at three to five years of processing and waiting time.

Another important note is that Singaporeans have a higher ratio of failures compared with other immigrants from China, Taiwan, Hong Kong or Malaysia. I estimate that it is about 10% for Singaporeans vs less than 5% for others . This is largely due to our comparatively lack of fighting spirit, ignorance and arrogance cultivated from decades of government propaganda. We were brought up believing that Singapore is world No. One in almost everything - education, healthcare, welfare, housing, law and order, cleanliness, no homeless or poor people, etc.

We have developed a self centred and selfish culture known as “kiasi and kiasu”. Most of us believe that we are the best and should easily brush aside those competitors from China, Taiwan and Malaysia. If we do not get the jobs we wanted, most would cry foul or racial discrimination. Please understand that just because you held a top management job in Singapore, you cannot expect a similar position in Canada upon arrival. You need to have Canadian experience and that means you start from the bottom of the ladder.

Singaporeans are less likely to take risk and not as street smart as they thought. Most Singaporeans do not think out of box and will act only upon instructions or when all the safety measures are in place. Sadly, with such a mentality, most opportunities are snatched away by Taiwanese, Hongkees, Mainland Chinese or Malaysians.

An example is a Taiwanese friend of mine who was asked during an interview for local courier service if he has a fleet of delivery vans. Without hesitation and a straight face he said he had 10 vans when he has only one. When an inspection date was arranged to view the vans, he gathered 9 of his Taiwanese friends and together they bought a van each making a total of 10 vans. With that they got the contract for the business and jobs for each of them.

Given the very same opportunity, it is unlikely Singapore immigrants could get that business. Singaporeans with their kaisi and kaisu attitudes are less likely to share the business or have the entrepreneur ability to gather enough Singaporeans to participate. If they do managed to gather enough participants they would spend weeks drawing up business plans to cover all contingencies and put in place all safety measures. The most irritating statement by Singaporeans when a job or business proposal was offered to them was to ask, “Got guarantee or not?”

Most immigrants from other countries have a “do or die” mentality whereas Singaporeans have a “do and try” mentality. These “failure not an option” immigrants are more willing to venture into entrepreneurship or willing to accept any jobs, white or blue collars, without hesitation. Singapore immigrants tend to be much more choosy and expect to be employed in middle or top management positions with the naive assumption that their credentials back home would guarantee them any position they wish. I have known Singapore immigrants waiting more than a year for their dream jobs. Their excuse is that they cannot downgrade otherwise they would “lose face” back in Singapore. Some even reject job offers that they considered below their qualifications and dignity.

Singaporeans have to learn that most Canadians pick careers that interest them – money and status are secondary. Success is not measured by how many millions you amassed or whether you are a CEO or how many directorships you hold. In Singapore, most people work 12 hours or more a day with hardly any time for family. In Canada, family bonding, happiness, freedom, a safe home to live, enough food on the table, and be with good friends are more important. Let children play when young and develop naturally is top priority. This is in direct opposition to Singaporeans’ life style of forcing children to study 24/7 with little or no time to play for the sake of academic excellence.

From my observation, Singaporean immigrants who succeed in Canada are those who have the same mentality as those from other Asian countries. You must have the” to do or die and not to complain why” attitude. Ironically, those in the late forties or early fifties with tertiary education and have middle or top management experience are most likely to fail. These are Singaporeans that have great difficulties adjusting to the new culture and environment. Exceptions are those who come with lots of money and assets.

Canada is a big country but yet most Singaporeans concentrate on mainly Vancouver or Toronto. By doing so, Singaporeans are limiting their chances of success because jobs are more competitive in these big cities. Be prepared to be adventurous and explore other cities and try other professions.

I have friends who were doctors and yet took on production jobs while re-taking their medical degrees or engineers working as carpenters, plumbers, electricians instead of sitting and complaining at home. It is important to note that Canada does not recognize degrees outside of Canada.

Following are several stories of the failures and successful immigrants:

Success stories:

1. Mr. Lui, who was the head of IBM research department in Taiwan, started off as a junior technician in IT department of a local bank in Vancouver. It was a humbling experience as he was downgraded and paid minimum wage as a junior technician. Two years later, when the computer system at the bank went down and nobody knew how to repair the system, Mr. Lui stepped in to the rescue. That incident was made known to the CEO that a low ranking employee was responsible in saving the computer system, Mr. Lui was promoted to section chief.

2. Mr X (Singaporean whom I have not ask his permission to disclose his name) was a Colombo Plan scholar renounced his Singapore citizenship. He paid off his bond and left for Canada. Upon his arrival, he realized that his university degree and Colombo Plan Scholarship was not recognized. Instead of complaining he took on a job as an electrician with Alberta Hydro. Fast forward 20+ years, he has no regrets. He has a happy family, a modest house, three cars, one Recreational Vehicle (like an home on wheels), several boats, retiring with great health.

3. Mr. Bernard Chan - Singaporean graduated from Cambridge University (same university as LKY) was rejected based on his qualifications. He took a crash course in plumbing and was accepted as a plumber when he re-applied. He is happily working at home doing foreign exchange for the past 15 years. His testimony is in my FB notes.

4. Mr X2 - A decorated ASP and national sports celebrity immigrated to Canada and took on a trade of house renovation. He did not feel embarrassed wearing an overall with dirty paint spots and holding a tool box. He lead a successful career and happy life style without the stress of a 24 hours stand-by job as a senior police officer.

5. Mr. X3 - A Singapore teacher immigrated to Canada and got a job as a postman delivering parcels and letters. Fast forward twenty years, he has a happy family, seven children, modest house (freehold and not 99 years like HDB) and a good retirement plan. In Singapore, he may not have the luxury of going fishing, vacations every year, maintaining a big family without working 12 hours a day and all stressed out.

The list would go on and on. The point is that their success were due to their abilities to adapt and willing to change their mindset from being materialistic focus to quality life style focus.


Failures -

1. Mr DYL - a Singaporean, was a CEO of an international company. He immigrated to Canada after he was laid off and he sold his house for S$3 million. He could not get his dream job of being a CEO in Vancouver and idled around. A typical show-off Singaporean, he built himself a huge expensive house in the most reputable district in Vancouver. Next he bought himself a top of the line BMW 7series and a Lexus although he was the only one driving. Within two years he spent more than $2 million of the $3 million he brought with him. His wife constantly complaint about having no maids even though they have part-time house cleaners. His children were in expensive private schools to keep up with his image. They constantly travel back to Singapore on business class. Without an income, his money drained off rapidly as he has no knowledge about financial planning. He actually thought $3 million could last him forever. When he realized that his money was depleting so fast, he panicked and became paranoid. He started to accuse everyone around him of cheating on him. Soon, all his friends kept away from him. Eventually without friends he sold his house, cars at a loss and moved back to Singapore, blaming Canadians for cheating his money.
To be honest, Mr.DYL could have live happily with the$3 million he has without having to work IF he had conducted a more modest life style.

2. Mr M - a Singaporean and early retired military officer. He is typical of those who refused to downgrade and accept a junior position. He was offered many jobs such as manager of a security firm, a manager in the fast-food restaurant, etc. He worked a few months in each of these jobs and left saying that it is demeaning for an officer to work in such low class jobs. Interesting enough, the Singapore friend who recommended him the job was himself working at the same kind of job for more than 10 years. He has no complains. He has a modest home, car and above all a happy family with quality life style.
It is more than 4 years now and this military officer is still waiting for his dream job.

The list could go on and on but I do not want to depress you with stories of failures. The bottom line is that to be successful you must throw away the self-destructive mentality of arrogance and show off when few cares what house you live in or what cars you drive. You must live within your means.

I drive a small economic Honda Civic and in our mid-sixties, we do all our house chores - cleaning, cooking, laundry, repairs, fishing, tending to vegetables and general work with no maids or outside help. In addition I do volunteer work at hospital helping out by serving coffee, tea, cookies to patients and talking to them or taking them to boat paddling. I also give free tai-chi lessons.

Do not be jealous of others that have successfully settled in Canada. Please remember we were here for more than twenty years. The first few years were not easy unless you have lots and lots of money. It is like having children, the first few years are tough. They cry all day, need attention around the clock but in the end it is all worth it. Just be patient and before you know it, you have already cross the line.

I hope this article will help you to decide if you are willing to take the plunge.

Good luck and God Bless.

Wing Lee Cheong
 

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The view from this writer's house.

Read this before.

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http://sg-quitters.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/emigrating-to-canada-my-personal.html
 
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neddy

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Share 1 point about an interview session with a Singaporean.

Mr Singaporean said he was responsible for this big project, on top of managing 5 other major projects. One of which, he took just 3 months to complete.

After the interview, one of the manager laughed and remarked to everyone, We just interviewed Superman. This manager took 2 years to do a similar project.


Reminds me of India Ah neh Supermen CVs.

Australia is inefficient, they do not believe Supermen exist, esp Asian Superman.
 
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Dear Neddy,

the problems stated by the thread starter about problems in Canada is just as bad if not worse in Oz. No Oz experience, no job. No 100% relevant work experience no job. For Example, if u are an supervisor in IGA, you can get a job as a supervisor in Coles,,but u cannot get a job as a manager in coles cos you are not a manager in IGA. Can only move sideways not up,,sometimes move down also cannot. One American was commenting that Oz ppl are one kind. For employment, Oz wants the perfect match. Even if your qualifications and job experience deviate one bit you will not be considered. They do not believe in 'experience switching' or transfer of skill sets. You do well in one sector, you skill sets can be transferred to another sector.

Look at those job adverts, they look for warehouse people for the mines, but no FIFO experience, you will not even be considered. As a result, many people just lie in their resume, resume become 'Ah Neh' like and follow the Ah Neh. If a job seeker dont do it, the job seeker wont get a job. I have heard it all, and now there are complaints that people do lie in their resume, but like all things, its the Employers that have bought these misery upon themselves and employees as they have forced people to do that. And the Ang Mors bullshit just as much as the Ah Nehs. But at least the Ang Mor in general can get things done better as compared to ah nehs.

Just my rants....

Share 1 point about an interview session with a Singaporean.

Mr Singaporean said he was responsible for this big project, on top of managing 5 other major projects. One of which, he took just 3 months to complete.

After the interview, one of the manager laughed and remarked to everyone, We just interviewed Superman. This manager took 2 years to do a similar project.


Reminds me of India Ah neh Supermen CVs.

Australia is inefficient, they do not believe Supermen exist, esp Asian Superman.
 
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chupacabra

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CEOs also lie in their resume. No big deal for small time fry to lie. As long as you can do the job, no one will question you. Unlike those ahnehs in peesai who have a paperback long resume and yet still cant do the job.
 

scroobal

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Firstly I was surprised by the 40k - 60k yearly figure. Does not seem to add up.

Secondly a Singaporean does not need to lie or mislead to succeed. Maybe its the street business savvy that they are lacking. One powerful thing about this article is the number of people that are prepared to roll up their sleeves and do any trade or job to build a new life. That is an admirable spirit.

I mentioned long time ago about a divisional SIA chief who wanted a sedate life and both his wife and he were stuffing pillows with goose feathers in a factory and enjoying life.
 

neddy

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Dear Neddy,

the problems stated by the thread starter about problems in Canada is just as bad if not worse in Oz. No Oz experience, no job. No 100% relevant work experience no job. For Example, if u are an supervisor in IGA, you can get a job as a supervisor in Coles,,but u cannot get a job as a manager in coles cos you are not a manager in IGA. Can only move sideways not up,,sometimes move down also cannot. One American was commenting that Oz ppl are one kind. For employment, Oz wants the perfect match. Even if your qualifications and job experience deviate one bit you will not be considered. They do not believe in 'experience switching' or transfer of skill sets. You do well in one sector, you skill sets can be transferred to another sector.

Look at those job adverts, they look for warehouse people for the mines, but no FIFO experience, you will not even be considered. As a result, many people just lie in their resume, resume become 'Ah Neh' like and follow the Ah Neh. If a job seeker dont do it, the job seeker wont get a job. I have heard it all, and now there are complaints that people do lie in their resume, but like all things, its the Employers that have bought these misery upon themselves and employees as they have forced people to do that. And the Ang Mors bullshit just as much as the Ah Nehs. But at least the Ang Mor in general can get things done better as compared to ah nehs.

Just my rants....

I am not surprised, you need to learn to lie the Aussie way. In the case of the interviewer, he is talking about his achievement and what he did. YES, that is how we do it in Singapore, sometimes, everything went to smoothly because in Singapore, you ask the workers to do OT every night without OT pay. Many projects are done without much resistant. At most, the project was abandoned after delivery. :eek: But over here, it took 2 years because EXAMPLE we had to deal with a difficult project sponsor who shifted the goalposts, and the government changed the regulations from which required the business plan to be revamped - costing, risk, etc. We also lost a key team member to a rival company. The project put on the backburner due to lack of resources.

Australia has one of the most inefficient management around and the interview candidate need to realise that.

If you are a migrant from Latin America with extensive project management experience, and then went to NZ and became a junior project officer, you will still be a junior project officer unless your Singapore-borned Aussie me potential boss have worked in Latin America before ad know what you are saying, or have the skills to see the potential of this staff or if you are after a fixed term contract job.

When the interview panel has 2 Irish, an Aussie and a Singaporean, and there happened to have a Singaporean candidate who is better (experince) than the Irish and Aussie candidates, guess who will get the job?

But if it is a contract position in IT and we need results fast, even a poor English speaker HongKong web developer is preferred, esp when he demonstrated his ability to create cutting edge websites.

A lot of employment problems will be solved if we have labour reform, eg John Howard's Workchoices. Meanwhile, we will be stuck in an archaic union-led iron rice-bowl employment situation. And a lot of migrants will be doing fixed-term contract jobs. QLD is famous for employing deadwoods like greeters at office entrance, lift operator, tea lady, etc. There are even more deadwoods in government offices floating around.

Many of these the Thatcher's refugees who fled UK's union busting labour reform during the UK Iron Lady years. I have many times have to deal with these people whom you can recognised by their working class cockney-estury accent and their one-liner slogans which Singaporean government are also famous for, after all, they borrow this left-wing idea for their right-wing agenda.
 
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neddy

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Dear Neddy,

the problems stated by the thread starter about problems in Canada is just as bad if not worse in Oz. No Oz experience, no job. No 100% relevant work experience no job. For Example, if u are an supervisor in IGA, you can get a job as a supervisor in Coles,,but u cannot get a job as a manager in coles cos you are not a manager in IGA. Can only move sideways not up,,sometimes move down also cannot. One American was commenting that Oz ppl are one kind. For employment, Oz wants the perfect match. Even if your qualifications and job experience deviate one bit you will not be considered. They do not believe in 'experience switching' or transfer of skill sets. You do well in one sector, you skill sets can be transferred to another sector.

Look at those job adverts, they look for warehouse people for the mines, but no FIFO experience, you will not even be considered. As a result, many people just lie in their resume, resume become 'Ah Neh' like and follow the Ah Neh. If a job seeker dont do it, the job seeker wont get a job. I have heard it all, and now there are complaints that people do lie in their resume, but like all things, its the Employers that have bought these misery upon themselves and employees as they have forced people to do that. And the Ang Mors bullshit just as much as the Ah Nehs. But at least the Ang Mor in general can get things done better as compared to ah nehs.

Just my rants....

There are many way to move up the career ladder, the opportunities present when you are given a chance to act in a "higher duties" position, undertake training that is recognised by employer, demonstrating that you are capable of doing the work at times when your help is needed.

If there is silent racism, there is nothing you can do. I know of migrants who move from NZ and find OZ are more tolerant. (You can laugh or cry over this because >40% of Aussies are either borned overseas or have a parent borned overseas) Theese NZ migrants move to Perth find Perth a better place. One reason is because there are more migrants here, second is that we are not in an economic recession like Sydney. But this is going to change when WA export is affected by China - Our income has come from China money NOT productivity improvment. And a number of new jobs created in recent years are based on inefficient high-cost structures that are not sustainable in a NORMAL economy.

Eg. There are junior gold mines that cost >$2000/oz to produce gold that sell for <$1500/oz. Oops. Basic Math problem.


You can also play politics which I will not advise here. I have seen a manager left after her protector left because the pressure to survive is too great.

Sometimes, you have to take on the new role in a place where you do not like. There are at least 2 Singaporeans I know working with the FIRST Aussies.
The body odour in the office did not kill this Singaporean, perfume and cologne helped. It is also an eye-opener to learn how many "nations" the "abor" have in WA state alone. Abor themselves will feel like strangers in another "nation" but the WASPs will group all of them together. But there is a fascinating insight into abor marriage customs that is not much difference from Chinese customs (esp on who they cannot marry).

WASP = white anglo saxon protestants or angmos for short. I also group them all together and they are always from UK.
 
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neddy

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Firstly I was surprised by the 40k - 60k yearly figure. Does not seem to add up.

Secondly a Singaporean does not need to lie or mislead to succeed. Maybe its the street business savvy that they are lacking. One powerful thing about this article is the number of people that are prepared to roll up their sleeves and do any trade or job to build a new life. That is an admirable spirit.

What is not stated are are the no of Singaporeans who gave up their PR status without even packing up and go. :biggrin:

The Switzerland of the East is still the best place to live for those after a "la-la land" living. I missed Lee Kuan Yew rally speeches and how he drives the nation to work as one.

When ask to work for what purposes when so many FTs around, suddenly, my Singapore Dream bubble burst.


Over in Australia, life is better. The governments just want you to pay taxes.

Just have to be street smart, and do not abuse your entitlements. That is how MPs get into trouble - using taxi vouchers to go casinos and using corporate credit cards to pay for "gentlemen" services.
 
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One powerful thing about this article is the number of people that are prepared to roll up their sleeves and do any trade or job to build a new life. That is an admirable spirit. .

Spot on bro, this is probably the main reason for making them Happy & successful in life !
 

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Spot on bro, this is probably the main reason for making them Happy & successful in life !

After spending more than 2 decades doing much of my own "trade" related work eg painting, carpentry, tile laying etc, I have to say that it is one of the most therapeutic and satisfying tasks on earth. The sense of achievement upon the completion of a project beats any high you'll ever get out of a corporate white collar job.

The only thing that gives me an even greater high is winning a bike race. The euphoria is greater but it doesn't last as long as the serotonin boost you'll get from completing a patio. :wink:
 

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After spending more than 2 decades doing much of my own "trade" related work eg painting, carpentry, tile laying etc, I have to say that it is one of the most therapeutic and satisfying tasks on earth. The sense of achievement upon the completion of a project beats any high you'll ever get out of a corporate white collar job.

The only thing that gives me an even greater high is winning a bike race. The euphoria is greater but it doesn't last as long as the serotonin boost you'll get from completing a patio. :wink:

For people who choose to migrate, it is possible that the last thing they want is to be a corporate animal. Let's face it, the jungle in Australia is a lot lot tougher than in Singapore. Plus you should see who ate laws are stacked against - not against the workers who have rights, but the white collar type. There are OSH laws against workplace bullying, etc but if you are of managerial levels, it is hard to exercise this rights without career consequences, even in the public sector.

The worse offenders are those in public services, because there is no need to show real results or performance appraisals. People who get a kick out of inflicting misery on others will concentrate on these jobs.

Government jobs always attract psychopaths, they do not feel a thing, no pain causing misery. Also govt type employees have no idea how to earn a living, they are basically spending other people's money and they get high over it. No wonder they are the least productive people around. Almost like going on the dole, but with job titles.

Still, I love government managers who are incompetent and pass over their budget to private consultants to do the job. No need to even tender. Just need to ask, what is your budget on this. They just plead to have access to people who can get things done on weekends for ministers. Ever notice how government press releases are tuned to certain days. something to report for the year. A Labor govt will be happy to keep them employed. :biggrin:

Some people get kicks out of screwing taxpayers. And I wonder why people do not like to pay taxes?
 
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Hi Neddy,

you are right about the civil serpents in Oz,,also the Labour gahmen has increase the amount of civil serpents since it took over,,,,and many of them are on quite high pay. Hence it must be contributing to the the budget deficit. This does not include the pensions etc when these fat cats retire. Or the golden handshakes the state have to pay out when they are gotten rid off.

Any way the Liberals will win in September, hopefully they will make things better..but I really hope they dont screw the workers...the working class is already screwed by the Unions...just look at the Union Fatcats and the faceless men of the labour party,,

For people who choose to migrate, it is possible that the last thing they want is to be a corporate animal. Let's face it, the jungle in Australia is a lot lot tougher than in Singapore. Plus you should see who ate laws are stacked against - not against the workers who have rights, but the white collar type. There are OSH laws against workplace bullying, etc but if you are of managerial levels, it is hard to exercise this rights without career consequences, even in the public sector.

The worse offenders are those in public services, because there is no need to show real results or performance appraisals. People who get a kick out of inflicting misery on others will concentrate on these jobs.

Government jobs always attract psychopaths, they do not feel a thing, no pain causing misery. Also govt type employees have no idea how to earn a living, they are basically spending other people's money and they get high over it. No wonder they are the least productive people around. Almost like going on the dole, but with job titles.

Still, I love government managers who are incompetent and pass over their budget to private consultants to do the job. No need to even tender. Just need to ask, what is your budget on this. They just plead to have access to people who can get things done on weekends for ministers. Ever notice how government press releases are tuned to certain days. something to report for the year. A Labor govt will be happy to keep them employed. :biggrin:

Some people get kicks out of screwing taxpayers. And I wonder why people do not like to pay taxes?
 

neddy

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Hi Neddy,

you are right about the civil serpents in Oz,,also the Labour gahmen has increase the amount of civil serpents since it took over,,,,and many of them are on quite high pay. Hence it must be contributing to the the budget deficit. This does not include the pensions etc when these fat cats retire. Or the golden handshakes the state have to pay out when they are gotten rid off.

Any way the Liberals will win in September, hopefully they will make things better..but I really hope they dont screw the workers...the working class is already screwed by the Unions...just look at the Union Fatcats and the faceless men of the labour party,,

The Liberal govt is more financially responsible. They established this for retired govt workers.

http://www.futurefund.gov.au/

The Future Fund was established by the Future Fund Act 2006 to assist future Australian governments meet the cost of public sector superannuation liabilities by delivering investment returns on contributions to the Fund.


FACTS AT A GLANCE

$85.17 billion, Future Fund assets at 31 March 2013

$4.07 billion, Education Investment Fund assets at 31 March 2013

$5.02 billion, Building Australia Fund assets at 31 March 2013

$3.19 billion, Health and Hospitals Fund assets at 31 March 2013


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How Gillard govt spend money: (From Dept of Treasury)

under John Howard
income: 203billion
expenses: 195bil

under Gillard
income: 315bil
expenses: 346bil

That is why the govt is broke.

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On top of that, Labor managed to kill small businesses. The creators of real employment in OZ.

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axe168

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Still, I love government managers who are incompetent and pass over their budget to private consultants to do the job. No need to even tender. Just need to ask, what is your budget on this. They just plead to have access to people who can get things done on weekends for ministers. Ever notice how government press releases are tuned to certain days. something to report for the year. A Labor govt will be happy to keep them employed. :biggrin:

Some people get kicks out of screwing taxpayers. And I wonder why people do not like to pay taxes?

Bro, what you said is quite true.. lol ! but you failed to mention the office politics leh. In my frz's office, practically the managers and team do nothing. They get the consultants to review, implement and manage the org. :-) Perm staff are doing nothing but performing politics act.. lol
 

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Bro, what you said is quite true.. lol ! but you failed to mention the office politics leh. In my frz's office, practically the managers and team do nothing. They get the consultants to review, implement and manage the org. :-) Perm staff are doing nothing but performing politics act.. lol

When in Rome, do as a Roman does.
When in Australia, just be a Aussie bloke and not a Pommie chap. :biggrin:

But it is a lot nicer to leave the public service after learning all the tricks. Don't say we do nothing as public servants. We have nice cars to see properties. These days, I am not happy with 6-7% rental yield. But pity the people hanging on to cash! Luckily, the returns on shares last year is very very very good.

True that WA public servants have iron rice bowl but we have no more defined benefits Super. That ended in 1996. I just missed it!
 

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Wahaha.. this is why I survive sooooooo long in an org that provides nice steamy warm rice on a daily basis :-)

Last year, I was able to claim 6 weeks MC (- due to my ski trip injury), + 2 weeks annual leave + 3 days paternity leave... flew to Brissy and be with my chickens..

People cried out loud in Sg ! In Australia, I have to admit my life is as sweet as candy stick. Life's Good !

KNN ! Talk about the Defined Benefits.. CCB, I missed the damn thing too !


When in Rome, do as a Roman does.
When in Australia, just be a Aussie bloke and not a Pommie chap. :biggrin:

But it is a lot nicer to leave the public service after learning all the tricks. Don't say we do nothing as public servants. We have nice cars to see properties. These days, I am not happy with 6-7% rental yield. But pity the people hanging on to cash! Luckily, the returns on shares last year is very very very good.

True that WA public servants have iron rice bowl but we have no more defined benefits Super. That ended in 1996. I just missed it!
 
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neddy

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Hi Neddy,

you are right about the civil serpents in Oz,,also the Labour gahmen has increase the amount of civil serpents since it took over,,,,and many of them are on quite high pay. Hence it must be contributing to the the budget deficit. This does not include the pensions etc when these fat cats retire. Or the golden handshakes the state have to pay out when they are gotten rid off.

Any way the Liberals will win in September, hopefully they will make things better..but I really hope they dont screw the workers...the working class is already screwed by the Unions...just look at the Union Fatcats and the faceless men of the labour party,,

Lying outright and you will be caught.

But marketing yourself better is not. Sometimes, dumb yourself down helps. Some Aussie we think are stupid are actually quite smart, but making outwardly "smarter" people do the work.
George Bush is forgiven because he looks dumb - he got away with a lot of things.

These days, in English speaking countries like US, UK and OZ, stupidity helps.

In advertising & Hollywood, besides sex, stupidity sells.

Even the New York Times newspapers is dumb down to Grade 9 or 10 readers

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neddy

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Jamie Oliver showed that there is no chicken in chicken nuggets, just some pink goop which is soaked in ammonia to kill the bacteria and artificially coloured to look like chicken. Is this lying to consumer by calling the yucky stuff Chicken Nuggets?
 
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