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kansas

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All wrong. None of it is true.

I don't think what you've written is true at all. No one gets discounts in housing and health care. Tertiary education is not free for Malays too. There is certainly no job quotas for Malays in government and stat boards.

The Malays were given special previleges as required by the constitution. By special previleges, the malays can enjoy free tertiary education etc.

See recent debate on the Malay special previleges.



Aug 20, 2009

MM rebuts NMP's notion of race equality

Constitution requires Government to give Malays special position, he says in House debate

By Clarissa Oon

IN A rare intervention in Parliament, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew rose yesterday to 'bring the House back to earth' on the issue of racial equality in Singapore.

Spelling out the Government's approach to the treatment of different races, he pointed out that the Constitution of Singapore itself enjoins the Government to give Malays a 'special position', rather than to 'treat everybody as equal'.

He rebutted as 'false and flawed' the arguments by Nominated Member of Parliament Viswa Sadasivan calling for equal treatment for all races.

On Tuesday, Mr Viswa had tabled a motion for the House to reaffirm its commitment to principles in the National Pledge when debating national policies.

A total of 14 MPs spoke on the motion over the past two days. The wide-ranging and vigorous debate ended with Parliament accepting an amended version of Mr Viswa's motion proposed by People's Action Party MP Zainudin Nordin, and modified slightly by MM Lee.

Mr Zainudin's amendment was to acknowledge the progress Singapore has made in nation building, while Mr Lee's was to highlight the principles in the Pledge as aspirations.

While present at almost every Parliament sitting, the last time Mr Lee rose to speak was in April 2007 during a furore over ministerial pay increases.

He told the House yesterday that he had not planned to weigh in on the debate over the Pledge, but was moved to do so by Mr Viswa's remarks on the hot-button issue of race.

In a lengthy speech on Tuesday, the NMP had expressed pride in Singapore's inter-racial harmony and principle of equal opportunity for all races.

However, he questioned if the Government was sending out mixed signals by emphasising racial categories, for example, through ethnic self-help groups.

MM Lee declared that the assumption of equal treatment for all races is 'false and flawed', and 'completely untrue'.

To 'remind everybody what our starting point is', he pointed to the racially tense period of the 1960s, the circumstances in which the Pledge had been written.

Singapore had just been thrown out of Malaysia. The Malays in Singapore were feeling particularly vulnerable, unsure if the Chinese majority here would treat them the way the Malay majority in Malaysia had treated the Chinese minority there.

Because of such a backdrop, the Pledge crafted by then Culture Minister S. Rajaratnam took pains to emphasise principles that would be 'regardless of race, language and religion'.

Mr Lee also drew the House's attention to Article 152 of the Constitution, which makes it the Government's responsibility to 'constantly care for the interests of the racial and religious minorities in Singapore'.

In particular, it states that the Government must recognise the special position of the Malays, 'the indigenous people of Singapore', and safeguard their political, economic and educational interests.

Mr Lee contrasted Singapore's approach with that of the United States, where despite a 1776 declaration that 'all men are created equal', blacks did not get the right to vote until a century later, and racial segregation continued well into the 20th century.

For Singapore to reach a point where all races could be treated equally 'is going to take decades, if not centuries', he said bluntly.

For this reason, he sees the Pledge not as an 'ideology', as Mr Viswa put it, but as an 'aspiration'.

Mr Viswa had also wondered if Singapore had got the balance right between prosperity and the happiness of its citizens, and if it had done enough to strengthen its democratic fundamentals.

Education Minister Ng Eng Hen, who spoke after MM Lee, provided a detailed response, spelling out how the Government's record over the past 50 years had been entirely in the spirit of the Pledge.

'Far from compromising these ideals in the pursuit of economic gro-wth, we have been defenders of these ideals in building a nation,' he said.

Policies are debated openly in Parliament, and the Government is accountable to the people at every election, he said.

He noted that Mr Viswa's model of a multi-party democracy, more opinionated media and politically active universities was drawn from other democratic models in the West.

In Asia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Thailand have elements of these models too.

But he questioned if those places had done better than Singapore, and said it was not self-evident that their models would work here.

More important than high-flown rhetoric in pledges and anthems was the reality on the ground, in the lives that citizens led, he maintained.

He agreed with the NMP that Singapore must move with the times.

However, Dr Ng said: 'We must not do so unthinkingly, but consider carefully each step forward, carving our own path towards a better society and a more vigorous economy.'

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scoobyhoo

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i am a chinese and have Malay employees. recently three Malay employees resigned - they complaint about long working days - 5.5 day week while others 5 days, and lower basic pay - $1600 while others $2000 (?) for job of storeman, less holidays - 14 days while others 30 days for annual paid leaves, and lousy store condition - dusty and hot while others clean with air-cond.

i think i must cry in the toilet?
 

scroobal

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I am fully aware of the constitution what Sec 152 in particular states. What it does not state is the privileges that they get. Could you what exactly that they get if you are sure. So far what you have mentioned is not what they get except for education which I will explain later.

The Malays were given special previleges as required by the constitution. By special previleges, the malays can enjoy free tertiary education etc.

See recent debate on the Malay special previleges.
 

leetahbar

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hopefully this is not another sdp's ploy to stir shits. sdp clowns come into this forum in my disguises. again, hopefully, we won't be fooled.:wink:
 

kojakbt

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To Singaporean-Malay,

Sad to say, it's true that some of the Chinese Towkays still have the kind of discriminatory attitude towards Malays. However, I do think that time is changing. The younger generations generally don't behave this way. They see each other as Singaporeans first. Race issue comes second.

Today, I think a more worrying issue is the uncontrolled influx of FTs that is posing a real threat to every Singaporean here! And in this regard, I have observed that cheap FTs are gradually replacing our Malays in the service sector. For example, PRCs can be seen in delivering pizzas now!

To my fellow SG bros, no need to fight one another. There is a bigger enemy among us now. Any Singaporeans, who have gone thru NS and subjected ourselves to NS risk will always be our brothers:

"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother" - Henry V
 

guavatree

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hopefully this is not another sdp's ploy to stir shits. sdp clowns come into this forum in my disguises. again, hopefully, we won't be fooled.:wink:

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lanjiao sucking unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, betrayer, all rolled into one!

you stole temple donation money and the chief monk told you to fuck off!

you bashed your 80 y.o.father until bloody when he threw away your gay porn!

you called your mother LAUCHEEBYE when she reprimanded you for doing fuck all at home except prostituting yourself round-the-clock in cyberspace!

you also stole handphones and claimed that handphones waved at you!

you steal others forum password!

you tried to con a forummer's property!

you tried to con the same person to include your name in his will when he discovered you tried to con his property!

you cursed an old man at his death bed!

you tried to con laukwayboos but you end up only con some free makan!
 

guavatree

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hopefully this is not another sdp's ploy to stir shits. sdp clowns come into this forum in my disguises. again, hopefully, we won't be fooled.:wink:

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lanjiao sucking unemployed parasite old fart faggot fake monk PAP dog Bob Sim Kheng Hwee,

temple thief, swindler, fraudster, cheat, con-artist, liar, hypocrite, deceiver, betrayer, all rolled into one!

Illicit gay activities:

Penal Code Section 377A states, “Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or abets the commission of, or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with another male person, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years.”

Cheating:

Whoever, by deceiving any person, fraudulently or dishonestly induces the person so deceived to deliver any property to any person, or to consent that any person shall retain any property, or intentionally induces the person so deceived to do or omit to do anything which he or she would not do or omit if he or she were not so deceived, and which act or omission causes or is likely to cause damage or harm to that person in body, mind, reputation or property, is said to "cheat". For example, A cheats if he intentionally deceives Z into a belief that A means to repay any money that Z may lend to him when A does not intend to repay it, and thereby dishonestly induces Z to lend him money. Cheating is punished with imprisonment of up to one year, or a fine, or both.

Father bashing:

Voluntarily causing hurt – A person causes hurt when he or she causes bodily pain, disease or infirmity to any person. Whoever does any act with the intention of causing hurt to any person, or with the knowledge that he is likely to cause hurt to any person, and does cause hurt to any person, voluntarily causes hurt. The penalty for voluntarily causing hurt is imprisonment of up to one year, or a fine of up to S$1,000, or both.

Theft of Temple Funds:

Theft is committed when a person, intending to take dishonestly any movable property out of the possession of any person without that person’s consent, moves that property in order to effect the taking. The penalty for theft is imprisonment of up to three years, or a fine, or both. It is more common, however, for offenders to be charged with committing theft in a building, tent or vessel, which is used as a human dwelling, or for the custody of property. The penalty for this more serious offense is imprisonment of up to seven years, and also a fine.
 

SGMalay

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Dear Mr.Scroobal,

I 've read many of your posting, and am appreciate with your suggestion.

I have some friends from different races, we have maintained a good relationship for the past years.

You are right, the best way is keeping a good ties and social contacts with different group of peoples, while I endure to some who has the "habit" to steer away from different races.

Thank you.


Warm regards,
SGM
 

SGMalay

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Dear Mr Kojakbt,

Thank you for your understanding.

I welcome your idea to keep us as ONE SINGAPOREAN rather than sub-divided between races.

I'd always with singaporean side regardless of race, and am trying to put the past behind, and look forward to see our friends/strangers singaporean back on their feet like we used to in the past.

I always hope my fellow chinese singaporean to discontinue discrimination practice and together we can eliminate not just foreigner but to incompetent government as well.

Like many other malays, I've voted PAP for many decades for just one reason, I hope the next election, I hope I dont get to vote PAP for the same reason I had in the past.


Warm regards,
SGM



To Singaporean-Malay,
 

Jah_rastafar_I

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Many years when it was still fashionable to hire office boys, we had one in our office (a malay). On avarage, he worked 3 to 4 days a week. Every now and then, he would simply not turn up for work. Common reasons given: not feeling well, feeling tired, don't understand why this morning couldn't wake up, forgot have to work, forgot to set alarm, don't know what happened. It is examples like this that give malays a bad name.
Having said that, I have also come across malays with exemplary attitudes. Unfortunately, the black sheeps far outnumber the good ones. It is due to this reason that people stereotype. Stereotyping doesn't arise from nowhere.
I applaud the TS for having worked his way up. Along the way, I'm sure he faced some discrimination. That is inevitable. Howver, with perseverence and consistency you will succeed. Regretably, the majority of malays tend to have a defeatist attitude and thats what's holding them back.
The minorities in other countries face similar discrimination. For the minorities, you just have to work hard and prove yourself because nobody owes you a living. At the end of the day, you owe it to yourself to make things happen. Good Luck!



It's a fact that malays have given people the impression that they are lazy and some of them have some attitude problems. Always wanting to fight with others for eg.


It is obvious that every country in the world has discrimination. SG is one of the best countries to be a minority. Certainly better to be a malay here than be a chinese in indonesia or malaysia.

In any case whenever i hear cases like this it's always on the smallest and most insignificant issues. Yet as u can see people here are willing to discuss the issues with you.

Everyone needs to do his part. For eg some malays think hey the majority hates us they are racist keeps on pointing the finger and accusing others but yet refuse to self reflect and improve their own behavior.

Many people think malays are lazy, take drugs, have many kids, not scholaistically inclined and so on and so forth.

Malays should attempt to improve themselves to prove people wrong rather than simply accuse others of racism.

This is always the case with chinese people. Let's say someone makes a stereotype about chinese people, saying they are very selfish. The chinese here do not get angry and call others racist. The chinese people understand that's true and there are chinese people whom are selfish but there are many generous chinese too. Yet nobody appreciates this fact, they cross the line and pour all sorts of insults on chinese people.


Seriously to achieve racial harmony both hands must clap. Sometimes i see it's only 1 hand clapping. Try clapping with only 1 hand. Move just your right hand and just leave your left hand there. Notice how much more difficult it is to clap.

This is always the case here in SG. It's always urging the chinese (right hand) to clap and put in more effort but the malays and other minorities (left hand) don't do their part at all but point fingers to accuse others.
 

SGMalay

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Dear Mr.Kansas,

It is true that Malays have the privileges which was agreed during the Malaysia-Singapore separation signing ceremony under United Nation Constitutional agreements, but however it is not clearly state what kind of privileges.

I cant really remember those days in 70's, but I can remember that I still have to pay school fees but lower than the chinese.

Over the years, if you had not notice yet, such privilieges no longer exist, government wants to open up equal oppoortunity for malays in every area, which I think it is good for malay to take challenge and/or work hard alongside with other races to benefit our country.

The discrimination problem may started from government, while private sectors follow suit.

In government sector, you may see alot of malay, ever wonder why? because they had a hard time getting a job in private sector, it is because Chinese SPEAKING preferred.

Many malay turn away from private sector to work with government bodies, they knew that no matter what education they have, they will never get to achieve to the top post.

So to cut it short, siince they are given so-called "help" from government, they might as well vote for PAP so long they have steady income.

In terms of salary, majority of them earn less equal to or less than $1800.00 per month.

For some malay move to malaysia and some in Dubai for good.

Hope you can understand more or less such privileges we "malay" have or have not really gain amicably.


Warm regards,
SGM







The Malays were given special previleges as required by the constitution. By special previleges, the malays can enjoy free tertiary education etc.
 

SGMalay

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I try to empathize with SGMalay however I also wish to share an experience witih everyone here.


Dear Mr/Ms.Joetsy,

I have my fair share situation in my company but not in my department.

It is not always happen to single race, it happen to all races too.

But in the job employment case, it has proven more than just to justify the requirement why always Chinese Speaking is Preferred.


Warm regards,
SGM
 

SGMalay

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Dear Mr. Asychee,

Thank you for your sharing.

I agree with you at times, I should not blame the sitution to the whole chinese.

I always have faith that there is a good chinese around, perhaps it is just not my luck to meet many in my life.

I also agree that at times of failure, I have myself to blame and/or my race are part to be blame too.

But if our races can differentiate between the good and the bad, we can live along very well.

I also do hope the job advertisement publish for Mandarin Speaking Preferred can be eliminated unless the requirement are genuine.

Afterall, how many are our fellow chinese singaporean can really speak and/or write chinese fluently, right?


Warmth regards,
SGM
 

SGMalay

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mate.. don't tar us all with the same brush
i dont practice discrimination and i have more malay/indians employees than chinese employees. These are professionals i am talking about....:wink:

Dear Mr/Ms. BS,

I agree with you.

I do noted in some companies do not practice race disrimination, but however they are mostly in the MNC's, probably they have government link.

But sadly, not for most SME's.



Warmth regards,
SGM
 

kojakbt

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I always hope my fellow chinese singaporean to discontinue discrimination practice and together we can eliminate not just foreigner but to incompetent government as well.

Ah... I think you will get a lot of agreements from the bros here in this forum... :smile:

Cheers!
 

SGMalay

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Bro, strangely time and again, comes election your community were the ones that tip the balance in his favour.


Dear Mr Hairylee,

This one I must admit, you are simply right, because I am one of them - PAP voter.

Many like me knowing the lee kuan yew past history, we never wanted to vote PAP.

For the last 10 years, many malay trying to get into private sector hoping that we can intergrate with other races but the oppotunity is not promising.

After too many attempts, they given up hope to work in private sector, then move into government bodies even though salary is much lower than private sector has to offer.

Our malay mind is, we want to have a stable job, work for the same company as long as we live, we will stay with the company through up and down even allow to have a pay-cut to allow company to continue it businesses.

Such dreams shattered, over the years many malay feel that they should seek employment with government instead, and today, most (at all) malay are still surviving under government employment, although they may not be given advantage over other race, at least they have minimal income to survive.

Unless we can see the roots of the problem for the reason for malays or even the indians still vote for PAP.

Till then PAP still wants the minority to form numbers in the ballot box.


Warmth regards,
SGM
 

Frankiestine

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SGMalay...hullo bang relek lah jangan terlalu khuatir...if you want to know, the biggest practitioner of the race game is your own government..anyway that one we don't need to discuss anymore but today...we all Singaporeans regardless of race, language or religion are the one being sidelined and discriminate against..where foreigners are favored over Singaporeans...while the damn fuck up government don't give a shit about our local plight...soon we will be the minority in this country....we should all unite in a battle cry and kick these foreigners out of our country...

"SOS------SAVE OUR SINGAPORE"

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