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Motorist should slow down to at least 30kph when approaching zebra crossings.

bic_cherry

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Motorist should slow down to at least 30kph when approaching zebra crossings.

This is because there will be more personal mobility devices (PMD) on the streets with the PMD-MRT-PMD public transportation model.

Some zebra crossings are across the park connector network where PMD are allowed to travel at 25kph.

Whilst PMD are advised to cross the zebra crossing at pedestrian speed (without a legal need to dismount) and exercise caution when using zebra crossings, motorist also have to beware of the occasion PMD user / jogger who may not slow down or exercise such caution. Children and pets may also attempt to dash across the zebra crossing, thus motorist have to be especially on the look out.

Motorist should however have no problems slowing down before the stop line of zebra crossings because motorist are already very experienced in giving way to fast moving vehicles on major roads if not stop wherever a stop line is drawn, e.g., junction between small road and big road in Bishan:
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The speed limit of 30kph is however an arbitrary number and where blind corners exists, a slower speed such as 20kph may be required in order to stay safe (unless motorist is dead sure that no PMD travelling at 25kph will approach zebra crossing).

The reason for coining the 30kph speed limit is because these are designated pedestrian crossing points and in silver zones where many elderly live, the speed limit for the whole district is 40kph and even slower at informal crossing point (without zebra crossing) due to the provision of pinch points of turns which vehicles need to slowly negotiate.
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Silver zones picts from: https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaw...oad-and-commuter-facilities/silver-zones.html

Do note that the penalty for failure to give way to pedestrians or PMD users at zebra crossings is 6 demerit points and a fine of $150 for cars and other light vehicles.
'Offences committed by motorists at pedestrian crossing' and other demerit points attracting offences: https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaw...oad-and-commuter-facilities/silver-zones.html

Since PMD are probably essential and ideal in a more modern Singapore than motor car travel (environmentally friendly (low carbon emissions), less than 20kgs, cheap to utilize (less than half cents per km run), promote socialization rather than fighting over car park spaces, promote active lifestyle and balance (most PMD require balance to operate and give much better workout than as driver or passenger in car).
 

eatshitndie

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will not work with gentle persuasion. sinkies die die must go more than double that speed at 69kmph. anything to hurt their precious vehicles such as speed bumps will help.
 

Hypocrite-The

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Cyclists n pmd user's should dismount when crossing at a pedestrian crossing. That is why it's called a pedestrian crossing
 

halsey02

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Cyclists n pmd user's should dismount when crossing at a pedestrian crossing. That is why it's called a pedestrian crossing

There is a law on this, but enforcement of this law is sporadic. They will only do this, when a pedestrian dies when using the zebra crossing, hit by a PMD, bicycle, motorcycles ( yes, motorcycles), cars that does not stop or keep a lookout. Then, to wayang, they will get Certs Officers to book people...& after a while...it gets forgotten & life just go on as usual. What is not new?

Motorcycles crossing the zebra crossing, using the sidewalks as roads, using the void decks as roads, is very common. So far, no one had died being hit, in those situation...so, close one eye. We need RC members like "John Tan" in the love for the neighbourhood, to be the volunteer patrols, to 'educate' these motorcyclists...wear a badge that says ' ENFORCER".
 

bic_cherry

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Agreed - otherwise they tend to chiong when the traffic counter just turned zero.. dangerous
PMD mostly will slow down before crossings , however, given the NUMBER of crossings and the fact that some cyclist are elderly or have a load on bicycle, it is not practical to dismount and push PMD across road.

Motorist are advised to slow down before every junction and zebra crossings and to look out for people waiting/ about to cross the road.

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zhihau

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We're fucked as a nation if motorists don't know how to slow down and give way. A gracious and matured society? :confused::confused::confused:
 

halsey02

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There is no such law so there is nothing to enforce.

Oh yeah!...they fined quite a number of people some while back..especially in Tampines Central....& other places, for not dismounting their bicycles when using the pedestrian crossing...if there is no law...they are blatantly collecting money...are you saying that?, nothing to enforce.
 

Leongsam

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Oh yeah!...they fined quite a number of people some while back..especially in Tampines Central....& other places, for not dismounting their bicycles when using the pedestrian crossing...if there is no law...they are blatantly collecting money...are you saying that?, nothing to enforce.

So you're saying that the reply from LTA posted above is "fake"??? :rolleyes:

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halsey02

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The cyclists who were fined should sue the police and demand a refund plus damages. The LTA makes it perfectly clear that dismounting is not a requirement.

Sue Traffic Police or LTA? they are now TWO IN ONE, like the coffee mix...
 

halsey02

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Tats why sinkies not smart. Should screen shot the letter fm LTA should one be told to pay fine

ha ha ha ha....you should know how sneaky the whities are in collecting revenues...you are fined not for not dismounting, but for reckless riding...they will tell you. Every which way, you loose. ha ha ha ha
 

whoami

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ha ha ha ha....you should know how sneaky the whities are in collecting revenues...you are fined not for not dismounting, but for reckless riding...they will tell you. Every which way, you loose. ha ha ha ha

Wow...they are learning fast from ah nehs:laugh:
 

bic_cherry

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The cyclists who were fined should sue the police and demand a refund plus damages. The LTA makes it perfectly clear that dismounting is not a requirement.
My take on the matter is that Parliament changed the law to say nowadays, cyclist are allowed to cycle of pathways and footpaths in some cases as long as they are cautious and do not exceed 10kph.

Always have teething problems at first implementation so some people do get fined inevitably although they would not be after the law was updated or changed (e.g. nowadays, after the law was updated, some drug traffickers are not hanged if they cooperate with police investigations substantially: that doesn't mean that those who were perviously hanged were wronged, but that they were unlucky because the old laws (mandatory death sentence) were in place at the time that their trial was carried out).

https://ifonlysingaporeans.blogspot.com/2012/07/cyclists-should-dismount-when-using.html mentions an assortment of bicycle related offences, not limited to those involving dismounting at zebra crossings and happened during the bad old days where even cycling on the pavement was supposed to be 'illegal'.

Think LTA has since then done further studies and hence confirmed that both motorist and pathway users have to slow down, however, I believe that the ones is more on the motorist because pathway users have right of way at zebra crossings, so onus is on the motorist to slow down more because by default, the moment a pathway user is spotted in the vicinity of a zebra crossing, he is to be ASSUMED to be intending to cross (unless he produces a signal to state the averse).

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