MHA Statement tells us why we should abolish ISA....

[Confuseous]

The Marxist Conspiracy was 24 years ago and I'm still trying to figure how Vincent Cheng and Teo Soh Lung were supposed to be able to subvert the govt of Singapore by defeating the SAF, SPF and hoodwink the entire nation into a violent revolution to overthrow their beloved PAP govt. Vincent Cheng the alleged mastermind of the plot must have handwritten his entire plan on a piece of paper somewhere otherwise how could the ISD have known about such a plan? Vincent must have swallowed the paper prior to his arrest because no evidence (no weapons, no paper) was ever produced to prove this allegation. The MHA now justify Vincent Cheng's arrest simply by repeating the allegation against him. That allegation was all it took to detain him and that is why people want the ISA abolished. What is there to stop another govt some time in the future from using against its political opponents by making accusations it does not need to prove?

- http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/2011/09/mha-statement-talls-us-why-we-should.html

 

[scroobal]

Let me try an explain. It obvious that old man has been abusing the ISA but the trouble with this Govt is that where they are right, they will not disclose or reveal what they know. This naturally causes concern. They address this by holding closed door session at the Pyramid Club and the likes for those who are crucial to the country but the man in the street is left blank. This might help paint the picture.

Communism 101

Communist Party of Malaysia - Armed Terrorists who have no qualms of blowing and killing people.

Communist United Front (CUF) Organisation - known colloquially as "Blurfuck Central' and made up typically of socialist and bleeding hearts but politically naive, but mentally strong or plain stubborn which ever suits you.

CPM will conveniently use CUF chaps for everything including mobilising support, do their dirty work, going to jail, becoming martyrs etc. In modern lingo, the CUF are the suicide bombers and they can range from very well educated and smart individuals like Mohd Atta whose dad was a doctor and who led the team that brought down the world trade centre to some 12 year old kid who got brainwashed in the middle of Peshawar and happily strapped on a bomb jacket because someone told him that Allah will like it.

Here is a clue - Vincent and Tan Wah Piow was brought together by a female in the middle of Jurong well before either of them were arrested. An they were arrested years apart. Guess who is the female.

 

[Ramseth]

The Marxist Conspiracy was 24 years ago and I'm still trying to figure how Vincent Cheng and Teo Soh Lung were supposed to be able to subvert the govt of Singapore by defeating the SAF, SPF and hoodwink the entire nation into a violent revolution to overthrow their beloved PAP govt.

Law enforcing and policing has nothing to do with able. Otherwise, all virile men would be arrested for being able to rape. It's to do with extent of intent and extent of preparation regardless of how remotely it could be successful.

 

[scroobal]

That is a first class analogy. That is the difference between political beliefs and subversion. Europe and the India had long had communism and communist parties but they did not resort to violence. I think one of the states in India has a long history of having a communist state govt in the world's largest democracy.

You can be a full fledged communist in Singapore but nobody would care. The moment you associate with certain identities even if you are liberar democrat, you are screwed.

Law enforcing and policing has nothing to do with able. Otherwise, all virile men would be arrested for being able to rape. It's to do with extent of intent and extent of preparation regardless of how remotely it could be successful.

 

[HTOLAS]

Guilt by association is ok, then?

That is a first class analogy. That is the difference between political beliefs and subversion. Europe and the India had long had communism and communist parties but they did not resort to violence. I think one of the states in India has a long history of having a communist state govt in the world's largest democracy.

You can be a full fledged communist in Singapore but nobody would care. The moment you associate with certain identities even if you are liberar democrat, you are screwed.

 

[Rogue Trader]

You can be a full fledged communist in Singapore but nobody would care. The moment you associate with certain identities even if you are liberar democrat, you are screwed.

Then where/how/when do they draw the line? That is the issue.

 

[krafty]

isa should not be abolished, too many wild pple out there. but how they ensure the isa pple are pple with integrity and not acting according to their own accord.

 

[scroobal]

It does not work that way. Let me give me you very good example - Prof Chua Beng Huat is a classic. The old man and PAP is waiting for him to make the wrong move. He has done more damage to this govt than all the chaps thrown into Changi put together. The Press will seldom highlight his background and what he does. He is probably the most politically active in a very interesting manner.

For a foreign academic or a researcher who wants a political pulse of this nation, this is the man that they go to. They can't touch him because he does not associate with the wrong lot.

Guilt by association is ok, then?

 

[scroobal]

Ever heard of an NJC boy who went to OCS, became an Officer and after ROD, went to Jerantut in the middle of Malaysia jungle and conducted weapons training to the 6th Assault Unit of the CPM. How come you do not know about this chap but you know who is Teo Soh Lung. Its no different to Uncle Yap and JJ Yee of WP. One is a virtual unknown and the other is so well known. Guess who is the blurfuck in this equation. Certainly not the one who will be in Parliament.

This Govt's problem is that they like to operate in a secretive manner and our fault is that we do not ask enough questions and we do not have a clue what is going on around us.

SO where do you draw the line - Do wait for SPH to tell you or do you work it by yourself.

Then where/how/when do they draw the line? That is the issue.

 

[Rogue Trader]

SO where do you draw the line - Do wait for SPH to tell you or do you work it by yourself.

Many people like me will prefer not to get involved in the first place. I guess that's the real power of ISA.

 

[scroobal]

This is where the govt has seriously failed. They should be encouraging the population to be politically active and aware. The PAP wants monopoly to rule and made politics taboo.

There was a time when I felt that the ISA has run its useful life only to find out that the Muslin fundamentalist and their need to bomb everything moving has now become flavour of the month. The Communist is no more but we still need it for a different reason.

The British who created the law and the framework for commonwealth countries ended up reviving it to fight the IRA. You cannot fight people who are prepared to bomb Canary Wharf and cause billion dollar damage with normal laws. Who in his right frame of mind wants to appear before a court of law and testify against the IRA. The same with the communists. The CPM created the Anti_British League and other CUF organidation hoping that detention without trial will not be used. They were wrong.

Many people like me will prefer not to get involved in the first place. I guess that's the real power of ISA.

 

[Ramseth]

Every citizen should be involved in and understand politics. That's the only way to prevent abuse of power whoever's in power.