The great thing about this saga is seeing posters like Porfiro and Ptader posting more of their insights.
Please stick around even after this has died down.
Please stick around even after this has died down.
Wonder if any Cabinet ministers will step down because of this. Cant imagine working for a dishonourable man.
This something I don't understand. The same thing happened when young journalists were invited to question the old man on TV with no holds barred. The next day they were branded as rude and disrespectful for asking direct questions.
From what I have observed thus far, I really don't think the siblings were banking on redeveloping 38OR for profit. Probability of the government gazetting 38OR in one way or another was and is too high. What i believe the siblings wanted and still want is just for 38OR to be demolished. LHY would probably get back 100% valuation from the government(if gazetted), so the extra 50% he must have seen as the price to pay to resolve the matter with LHL.
Thank you for your patience. Here it isPapsmearer is out yamcha with his kaki bring more news to us.
He is our champ.
Thank you for your patience. Here it is
https://sammyboy.com/showthread.php?244972-Lee-Siblings-Feud-all-about-money-money-money
Why SB's great political analyst is totally silent throughout. Did he lose his job or retired?The great thing about this saga is seeing posters like Porfiro and Ptader posting more of their insights.
Please stick around even after this has died down.
Another big joke was the way GCT and Shanmugam appeared to be lamely trying to play 'conquer and divide' between the siblings. Both viciously attacking LHY only. GCT slyly throwing in LSF's name as well!
Read your posts in that thread of yours.
Food for thought, no doubt. But whatever the case, the commercial risk was quite open after the cabinet, msm and certain public quarters called for 38OR to be preserved while Harry was still alive.
Just with regards to 38OR, i still believe the siblings main intent was and is to demolish 38OR to fulfil their parents' final wish.
Moreover, i would have thought LHL or someone from LHL's camp would have raised your theory by now. Any commercial gain allegation thus far has been directly related to 38OR only.
Say what you like but sadly many Singaporeans I spoke too ace fucktards and viewed CSM's reply as disrespectful. Really palm face.
He was trying to be clever but he really came across like a disrespectful tool. For 2 seconds of superiority he put a big dent in how he will be perceived. All you have to do is show the stupid singo aunties and uncles a clip of his words without showing what he was responding to. He could have phrased it in a far more hard-hitting and straightforward way instead of trying to be a smart aleck.
If sg had oppo that spoke like the siblings, they could take the fight to the other camp….the current jokers can get a few chuckles but that's about it. what an injustice…the country deserves better.
Actually there is something to "negotiate" about. If I were the siblings I would demand LHL to revert to the original status quo as per LKY's last will. Which in effect means LHL pays back the full 150% price of 38OR to LHY and publicly issues a statement saying that it was LKY's unequivocal and unwavering wish to have 38OR demolished and that he, LHL, as LKY's eldest son would request the rest of Singapore(including that secrect ministerial committee!!) to honour LKY's (& MaMa Lee) final wish.
Yes, this secret committe was and still is the FUNDAMENTAL problem, actually a microcosm of what is wrong with the system of governance in Singapore, ironically not just today but hallmark dating back from Harry's 'reign'.
TCH really needs to take a good look at himself in the mirror. "But (the) Government still has to carry out its responsibilities for those issues that are of public interest fairly, objectively and calmly. And I will continue to do so" said TCH in his latest reply to the siblings. Shameless is all i can say! Todate, neither TCH nor anyone else from this secret committee nor LHL have explained and clarified the need for SDs. Worse still, we now see that the AGC may have been dragged in as well(re the siblings 10 page evidence summary.
The latest revealations from the siblings seems to have cleared up my confusion over the Dec 2015 settlement agreement between LHL and his siblings.
I now believe that neither LHY nor LWL were ever looking to directly gain financially from 38OR. When Harry's last will was read in Apr 2015, 38OR was bequeathed to LHL(LWL with a life interest) together with that demolition clause. It is a fact(confirmed by all 3 siblings) that LHY and LWL straight away started to push LHL to fulfil Harry's final wish and demolish 38OR. By doing so, LHY/LWL had nothing to gain financially. All they were doing was honouring their parents final wishes.
I think LHL and HC were shocked that the demolition clause had suddenly been re-inserted back into Harry's last will, much to their chagrin, as they probably had convinced Harry to remove it in wills 5 and 6.
Thus the push back began by LHL which lead to the Dec 2015 settlement agreement. I think LHY must have thought that by paying the 150% valuation all 3 siblings could come to a final resolution and the entire Lee family could request to the rest of Singapore to respect Harry's last wish and allow 38OR to be demolished.
From what I have observed thus far, I really don't think the siblings were banking on redeveloping 38OR for profit. Probability of the government gazetting 38OR in one way or another was and is too high. What i believe the siblings wanted and still want is just for 38OR to be demolished. LHY would probably get back 100% valuation from the government(if gazetted), so the extra 50% he must have seen as the price to pay to resolve the matter with LHL.
But.....the rest as they say is history because it looks like LHL wanted to play out his siblings because of how they appeared to play him out over the last will. Alas, LHL failed to realise that his siblings are chip off the old block and prepared to meet him in a dark alley cul de sac with knuckledusters and stilettos!
As for Shanmugam, from what I have seen since 14 June, i don't think he would be a "pariah even amongst his own cabinet colleagues". They have all been tarred by the same black brush to protect their own self interests. Mind you not just them but also all the PAP parliamentarians, NMP stooges like Chia Yong Yong and the top senior civil servant hierachy.
As an aside, I find it very curious and interesting why none of the local MSM dare not print the siblings' entire 6 page letter in full(not even asking them to print out the 10 page evidence summary as well). Ironically, i think both Harry & MaMa Lee would have been proud of its quality notwithstanding who was the recipient of the atrack!
so what happens next?
Shan is unusually a lady man oddly not in the usual sense. Most of his controversies revolving around women and involving ply-ing between ladies and tomboys.