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Serious Lee Wei Ling & Lee Hsien Yang condemns Lee Hsien Loong

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  1. Froggy

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    Seems like she posted this at around 2.20am or 45mins ago
     
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    Whatever it is the bible says

    Proverbs 20.27 - A man walked with his integrity his children are blessed after him.

    Lky will not hv his last wish becos he is not in control of that simply no integrity person his children are not blessed after him.

    Lhl is fighting a political battle to stay popular and see good reason to keep the 38OR alive. But he is not a blessed child he has no control of unblessed 38OR landlord property.

    Let 38OR live to be the most hated structure in modern Singapore representing a coward used his ex-colonial master ISA to intimidate and fix fears in Sinkies.

    Let it be a spatting ground for those who suffered poltical grievances punished by lky.

    Where 5 or more than 5 people gather together can be charged for crime this 38OR structure shd be preseved to present a wicked dictator in Singapore and slavery is stilled practice in Singapore in diguise of nstional service.

    2+13 years is a long slavery period than drug trafficker british Empire slavery trade in 1400s.

    This 2 dictator sons enjoyed abundant slaves available to practice combat games under this 38OR landlord with no restriction they shd keep 38OR as memorial of their good time and good quality life style given to them by God wish.

    Like the British Empire wishes to bring back opium trade in china again to make USA Australia Canada UK great again with easy drug money to build a modren 21st century
    cities.

    And india indians were their slaves to grow opium for them in indian soil. Angmoh go enjoy play tennis golf cricket at the expense of indian slaves for easy drug opium money targeted the chinese China.

    Good saves this 38OR for generations descendants to loved a dictator like china hv Mao and german hv Hitler and USA hv the CIA to do dirty works for them.
     
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    Next salvo fired. Huat ah!
    Alien vs Predator.
     
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    WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO LEE KUAN YEW’S VALUES?


    We feel extremely sad that we are pushed to this position. We are disturbed by the
    character, conduct, motives and leadership of our brother, Lee Hsien Loong,
    Singapore’s current prime minister and the role of his wife, Ho Ching. We have seen
    a completely different face to our brother, one that deeply troubles us. Since the
    passing of Lee Kuan Yew, on 23 March 2015, we have felt threatened by Hsien
    Loong’s misuse of his position and influence over the Singapore government and its
    agencies to drive his personal agenda. We are concerned that the system has few
    checks and balances to prevent the abuse of government.


    We feel big brother omnipresent. We fear the use of the organs of state against us
    and Hsien Yang’s wife, Suet Fern. The situation is such that Hsien Yang feels
    compelled to leave Singapore:


    “It is with a very heavy heart that I will leave Singapore for the foreseeable future.
    This is the country that my father, Lee Kuan Yew, loved and built. It has been home
    for my entire life. Singapore is and remains my country. I have no desire to leave.
    Hsien Loong is the only reason for my departure.”


    If Hsien Loong is prepared to act thus against us, his younger sister and brother,
    both contributing members of Singapore’s establishment, to advance his personal
    agenda, we worry for Singapore. We question whether able leaders with
    independent political legitimacy will be side-lined to ensure Hsien Loong’s grip on
    power remains unchallenged.


    This is by no means a criticism of the Government of Singapore. We see many
    upright leaders of quality and integrity throughout the public service, but they are
    constrained by Hsien Loong’s misuse of power at the very top. We do not trust
    Hsien Loong and have lost confidence in him.


    Since Lee Kuan Yew’s death, there have been changes in Singapore that do not
    reflect what he stood for. Nobody ever doubted that Lee Kuan Yew always held the
    best interests of Singapore and Singaporeans at heart. He was authentic and spoke
    his mind. The same cannot be said for our brother, Lee Hsien Loong and his wife,
    Ho Ching. We believe, unfortunately, that Hsien Loong is driven by a desire for
    power and personal popularity. His popularity is inextricably linked to Lee Kuan
    Yew’s legacy. His political power is drawn from his being Lee Kuan Yew’s son. We
    have observed that Hsien Loong and Ho Ching want to milk Lee Kuan Yew’s legacy
    for their own political purposes. We also believe, based on our interactions, that they
    harbour political ambitions for their son, Li Hongyi.


    1 Singapore has no such thing as the wife of the prime minister being a ‘first lady’. Lee
    Kuan Yew was Prime Minister from 1959 to 1990. During those many years, his wife
    (our mother) consistently avoided the limelight, remaining his stalwart supporter and
    advisor in private. She lived discreetly, and set a high bar for the conduct of a prime
    minister’s wife. She would never instruct Permanent Secretaries or senior civil
    servants. The contrast between her and Ho Ching could not be more stark. While
    Ho Ching holds no elected or official position in government, her influence is
    pervasive, and extends well beyond her job purview.
    no such thing as the wife of the prime minister being a ‘first lady’. Lee
    Kuan Yew was Prime Minister from 1959 to 1990. During those many years, his wife
    (our mother) consistently avoided the limelight, remaining his stalwart supporter and
    advisor in private. She lived discreetly, and set a high bar for the conduct of a prime
    minister’s wife. She would never instruct Permanent Secretaries or senior civil
    servants. The contrast between her and Ho Ching could not be more stark. While
    Ho Ching holds no elected or official position in government, her influence is
    pervasive, and extends well beyond her job purview.


    Throughout his entire life, Lee Kuan Yew’s sole focus was on Singapore and its
    future. He was a strong opponent of monuments, particularly of himself. On
    suggestions that monuments or ‘what-have-yous’ be made for him, he replied
    “Remember Ozymandias”. He was referring to Percy B Shelley’s sonnet about the
    Egyptian Pharaoh with a penchant for self-aggrandising monuments. The boast
    etched in a plaque below his statue commanded lesser mortals to “look on my
    works”. Only the vastness of desert sands remains: no empire, nor monuments, no
    great works. Lee Kuan Yew wanted none of these honours as edifices. Much more
    important to him was that what he had done should last.


    It is for this reason that Lee Kuan Yew made clear throughout the years in public and
    private his wish that his home at 38 Oxley Road be demolished upon his passing. In
    his last Will and Testament of 17 December 2013, he again reiterated his wish and
    directed his three children to ensure that it be fulfilled. Indeed, his opposition to
    monuments was so strong that he had made clear that even if the house were
    gazetted (against his wishes), it should only be open to his children and their
    descendants.


    However, we believe that Hsien Loong and Ho Ching are motivated by a desire to
    inherit Lee Kuan Yew’s standing and reputation for themselves and their children.
    Whilst our father built this nation upon meritocracy, Hsien Loong, whilst purporting to
    espouse these values, has spoken of a “natural aristocracy”. Hsien Loong and his
    wife, Ho Ching, have opposed Lee Kuan Yew’s wish to demolish his house, even
    when Lee Kuan Yew was alive. Indeed, Hsien Loong and Ho Ching expressed plans
    to move with their family into the house as soon as possible after Lee Kuan Yew’s
    passing. This move would have strengthened Hsien Loong’s inherited mandate for
    himself and his family. Moreover, even if Hsien Loong did not live at 38 Oxley Road,
    the preservation of the house would enhance his political capital.


    What has been distressing are the lengths to which Hsien Loong and Ho Ching have
    gone and are willing to go to get what they want.


    On Hsien Loong’s insistence, Lee Kuan Yew met with the Singapore Cabinet on 21
    July 2011 to discuss the fate of his personal home. Wei Ling met Lee Kuan Yew on
    the steps of their home as he returned from that meeting. He was anguished and


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    despondent and told Wei Ling “I should not have listened to Loong and gone to meet
    Cabinet.” He was pained that Hsien Loong, his own son, opposed his wishes in this
    manner.
    “I should not have listened to Loong and gone to meet
    Cabinet.” He was pained that Hsien Loong, his own son, opposed his wishes in this
    manner.


    Lee Kuan Yew believed that Hsien Loong and Ho Ching were behind what was
    represented to the family as a government initiative to preserve the house. In due
    course, Hsien Loong himself made his position clear to Lee Kuan Yew. On 3
    October 2011, Lee Kuan Yew wrote: “Loong as PM has indicated that he will declare
    it a heritage site.”


    Lee Kuan Yew specifically inserted into his will his wish for 38 Oxley Road to be
    demolished so as to make it difficult for Hsien Loong to misuse the Cabinet to
    preserve it. He also removed Hsien Loong as an executor and trustee of his will.
    The wish, which was instructed to be made public as needed, was Lee Kuan Yew’s
    direct appeal to the people of Singapore. It was his only request of them on his
    passing.


    At the reading of Lee Kuan Yew’s will, Hsien Loong was very angry that the will gave
    Wei Ling the right to remain living in the house and that it made clear Lee Kuan
    Yew’s wish for its demolition immediately upon her passing or relocation. Hsien
    Loong threatened us and demanded our silence on our father’s last wish. He
    wanted to assert in Parliament that Lee Kuan Yew had changed his mind, hoping to
    inherit the faith Singaporeans had in Lee Kuan Yew through the visible symbol of the
    house. We refused and fought to release our father’s wish to demolish the house as
    instructed. We succeeded in making Lee Kuan Yew’s wish public in Singapore only
    after the international press carried the news. Hsien Loong was therefore forced to
    state in Parliament that, as a son, he would like to see the wish carried out. He
    wanted to appear filial in public whilst acting to thwart our parents’ wishes in private.


    However, Hsien Loong and Ho Ching did not abandon their plans. Hsien Loong took
    steps to try to frustrate our publicising Lee Kuan Yew’s wish. We executed a Deed
    of Gift in 2015 with the National Heritage Board for the donation and public exhibition
    of significant items from our parents’ home, with a stipulation that Lee Kuan Yew’s
    wish for the demolition of 38 Oxley Road be displayed prominently at the exhibition.
    However, after the gift’s acceptance we soon received letters with spurious
    objections from Hsien Loong’s then personal lawyer, Lucien Wong. Lucien Wong
    was made Singapore’s Attorney-General in January 2017. We were shocked to see
    that Hsien Loong had used his position as Prime Minister to obtain a copy of the
    Deed of Gift from Minister Lawrence Wong, which Hsien Loong then passed to his
    personal lawyer to advance his personal agenda. The exhibition only proceeded
    months later in a diminished format after considerable struggle on our part.


    In 2015, various letters were sent by Hsien Loong’s then personal lawyer making
    accusations and misrepresentations on his behalf regarding the circumstances under


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    which Lee Kuan Yew’s last will was executed and the inclusion of the demolition
    wish. These were refuted in detail by us through our lawyers. Hsien Loong knew
    that he could not establish his accusations in a court of law and raised no legal
    challenge. On the contrary, he was likely concerned that the fact that the gift of the
    house to him had been obtained by him through misrepresentations to our father and
    the family might be made public. Probate was granted on 6 October 2015 and Lee
    Kuan Yew’s will, including the wish to demolish 38 Oxley Road, became the full,
    final, and legally binding word on his intentions as to his estate.
    and the inclusion of the demolition
    wish. These were refuted in detail by us through our lawyers. Hsien Loong knew
    that he could not establish his accusations in a court of law and raised no legal
    challenge. On the contrary, he was likely concerned that the fact that the gift of the
    house to him had been obtained by him through misrepresentations to our father and
    the family might be made public. Probate was granted on 6 October 2015 and Lee
    Kuan Yew’s will, including the wish to demolish 38 Oxley Road, became the full,
    final, and legally binding word on his intentions as to his estate.


    Hsien Loong initiated a settlement with us in May 2015; the Estate of Lee Kuan Yew
    was contemplating a challenge of the disposition of the house to him based on his
    misrepresentations. Hsien Loong represented that this sale of the house would give
    us a free hand to demolish the house. Final agreement on the settlement was
    reached in late 2015. Hsien Loong insisted that Hsien Yang should pay him full
    market value for the house (and donate an additional half the value of the house to
    charity). In exchange for this, we asked for and obtained a joint public statement
    issued by all 3 children of Lee Kuan Yew in December 2015 that we hoped that the
    Government would allow the demolition wish to be fulfilled and that all Singaporeans
    would support this cause. We also obtained an undertaking from Hsien Loong that
    he would recuse himself from all government decisions involving 38 Oxley Road and
    that, in his personal capacity, would like to see the wish honoured.


    We had hoped that through this settlement, he would not hinder us from honouring
    our parents’ wishes. However, we were disappointed that despite the settlement and
    Hsien Loong’s undertakings, in July 2016, Minister Lawrence Wong wrote to inform
    us that a Ministerial Committee had been set up to consider options with respect to
    38 Oxley Road and their implications. This also directly contradicted Hsien Loong’s
    statement in Parliament in April 2015 that there was no need for the Government to
    take a decision in respect of 38 Oxley Road until Wei Ling no longer resided there,
    and that it would be up to the Government of the day to consider the matter.


    Hsien Loong, despite his undertakings to recuse himself, proceeded to make
    extensive representations to the Committee. He is conflicted. His political power is
    related to being Lee Kuan Yew’s son and thus he has every incentive to preserve
    Lee Kuan Yew’s house to inherit his credibility. He also sits in a direct position of
    power over the Committee comprised of his subordinate ministers, thus wielding
    considerable influence for any outcome he desires.


    Hsien Loong has asserted to the Committee that Lee Kuan Yew would “accept any
    decision by the Government to preserve 38 Oxley Road.” This play on words is not
    only dishonest, but nonsensical. Lee Kuan Yew accepted, as he had to, that the
    Government had the power to preserve 38 Oxley Road against his wishes. But this
    does not mean that he wanted 38 Oxley Road preserved.


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    In doing this, Hsien Loong has deliberately misrepresented Lee Kuan Yew’s clear
    intentions for his own political benefit. He has also gone back on his own
    declarations that he would recuse himself from all Government decisions involving
    38 Oxley Road and his supposed support for the demolition of the house as Lee
    Kuan Yew’s son.
    misrepresented Lee Kuan Yew’s clear
    intentions for his own political benefit. He has also gone back on his own
    declarations that he would recuse himself from all Government decisions involving
    38 Oxley Road and his supposed support for the demolition of the house as Lee
    Kuan Yew’s son.


    In his representations to the Committee, Hsien Loong seeks to call into question the
    circumstances which led to the execution of Lee Kuan Yew’s last will and its
    inclusion of the demolition wish. He and Ho Ching are unhappy because the
    demolition wish gives Wei Ling an unfettered right to live in the house. These
    queries he raised to the Committee were already fully refuted in 2015. Except this
    time, of course, they are being raised to a Committee comprising Hsien Loong’s
    subordinates.


    The reality is that there was nothing suspicious or untoward at all about the
    execution of Lee Kuan Yew’s last will. Indeed, Hsien Loong chose not to raise any
    legal challenge. The simple truth is that Hsien Loong’s current popularity is tied to
    Lee Kuan Yew’s legacy. Preserving Lee Kuan Yew’s house would allow Hsien
    Loong and his family to inherit a tangible monument to Lee Kuan Yew’s authority.


    Lee Kuan Yew was a lawyer and well knew the sanctity and finality of a will. He
    gave clear instructions for the execution of the will. He carefully read his final will
    before signing it, and he continued to review and reflect after signing to put his affairs
    in order. Two weeks after executing his will, Lee Kuan Yew personally drafted
    unassisted a codicil to his will and executed it. All three children were kept fully
    apprised of the signing of the final will and the codicil. No objection was raised at that
    time and indeed Hsien Loong has affirmed the will in public and in private.


    Ultimately, it is not difficult to see that 38 Oxley Road should be demolished. There is
    full alignment between Lee Kuan Yew’s final wish and the people of Singapore, since
    there is overwhelming support among Singaporeans for the demolition of the house.
    An independent YouGov survey published on 22 December 2015 showed that 77%
    of Singaporeans supported the demolition of Lee Kuan Yew’s house and only 17%
    opposed it.


    “We are private citizens with no political ambitions. We have nothing to gain from
    the demolition of 38 Oxley Road, other than the knowledge that we have honoured
    our father’s last wish. Hsien Loong has everything to gain from preserving 38 Oxley
    Road – he need only ignore his father’s will and values.”


    “The values of Lee Kuan Yew are being eroded by his own son. Our father placed
    our country and his people first, not his personal popularity or private agendas. We
    are very sad that we have been pushed to this. We feel hugely uncomfortable and


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    closely monitored in our own country. We do not trust Hsien Loong as a brother or
    as a leader. We have lost confidence in him.”
    We do not trust Hsien Loong as a brother or
    as a leader. We have lost confidence in him.”


    Lee Wei Ling and Lee Hsien Yang


    Joint Executors and Trustees of the Estate of Lee Kuan Yew
    14 June 2017


    https://www.facebook.com/38OxleyRoad/


    https://www.facebook.com/LeeHsienYangSGP/


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    Fake news lah. Anyway 69.9% Singaporeans love Lee Hsien Loong.
     
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    bs. not happy, stand for erection and contest. kpkb so much. moreover, what "values" is she referring to? backstabbing, infighting, locking someone for decades who seems to be a credible threat, meeting at cul de sac with hachet and or knuckledusters? :p

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    Meleetocracy vs natural aristocracy.
    Good lah, only familee dares to take on familee.
     
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    Why do you say its fake news? What is your reasoning or proof?
     
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    Yes it looks credible enough to me.
    For someone who claims to be a doctor he sure come across as damn stewpig......or maybe the closet pappy lover in him can't be kept down.

    Li Hongyi was mentioned. Looks like a disguised succession struggle to me.
     
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    LKY obviously appropriated $$$$...$$$ while he was an "honest" civil servant :rolleyes:

    I doubt the Lees really care about the lesser mortals of Spore. They are probably just squabbling over their parents money, power, .......
     
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    Lky no need Makan money the traditional way.
    Monopoly on Hdb conveyancy fees is as good as printing money.
    Not to mention the extended families business interests. It an never ending gravy train pig trough
     
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    Doctor cannot be stewpig meh? For the record roughly 90% of medical school cohort are die hard PAP supporters.

    Aiyah nowadays very in vogue to say real news is fake news. LOL!

    What matters most is not what you smark people think but what the 69.9% of Singaporeans think.
     
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    It is the cancer causing him to go cuckoo.
     
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    You underestimate the greed of some people, especially the PAP. Aren't they the one who coined the phrase claim "what's wrong with collecting more money".

    It's not like they are poor. They are already enjoying a high salary, the many director fees given to them, the side businesses they are allowed to do, ....
     
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    Are you stupid? Not happy
    then stand for election? Have you heard of an election deposit? That is the PAP's way to punish you, by eating you $14,500. Only zikapore requires such a high deposit to deter oppo members. U heard of this thing called social media. It seems you can also complain on it and sometimes, things getr done right.
     
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    It doesn't concerns u.
    Go fuck yourself sour grape sore loser.
    So of a whore dog son.
     
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    Sheng Wu also mentioned something about relocating for his family... aww... can someone cue the theme song for GOT?
     
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    Wah I becoming important on the forum liao. Only those can make people angry one are important get scolded all the time. Shiok man.
     

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