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PETALING JAYA: The Kuala Lumpur-Singapore High Speed Rail (HSR) project is expected to resume without Singapore’s participation, according to sources.

The new plan was for the line to end in Johor Bahru instead of Singapore, the sources said.

Last May, Singapore agreed to a Malaysian request to postpone the start of the project to the end of this year to allow for discussions on changes that Putrajaya had in mind.

Two well-placed sources have now told FMT that the changes included continuing the project without Singapore.

They said Putrajaya has informed its Singapore counterpart of the change in plans.

This means that the line will end in Johor Bahru instead of connecting Kuala Lumpur to Singapore.

The two sources FMT spoke to were critical of Putrajaya’s latest decision, with one saying it would bring into question the sustainability of the megaproject.

“The HSR was touted as a game changer as it would ensure seamless travel between KL and Singapore in just 90 minutes,” he said. “This is one of the busiest air routes in the world. So there is demand for the rail link.


“KL and Johor Bahru are already served by domestic flights and the North-South Expressway.”

He also referred to Keretapi Tanah Melayu Bhd’s Electric Train Service project, which will see the entire west coast connected by rail in 2022. This line will connect KL Sentral to JB Sentral with trains travelling up to 160km per hour.

“Once both projects are complete, you will have two rail lines connecting KL to JB. This is a redundancy.”

The other source said axing Singapore from the project could complicate relations between the two countries. He noted that Singapore had already incurred expenses and had said it would demand compensation from Malaysia.

“Singapore made its stand on this very clear when the Pakatan Harapan administration mulled its cancellation,” he said. “It will exercise its right to compensation.

“This could end up being very costly for taxpayers.”

He said it had been reported that Singapore would seek about SG$250 million (RM760 million) in compensation.

When contacted by FMT, the High Commission of Singapore said it continued to believe that the HSR project would benefit both countries and reiterated its commitment to fulfilling its obligations under the bilateral agreement.

It added that the project’s construction had been suspended twice at Malaysia’s request, with the final extension ending at the end of the year.

“Singapore and Malaysia signed the Kuala Lumpur–Singapore HSR bilateral agreement in December 2016. This is a legally binding international agreement which remains in force today.

“During the suspension period, Malaysia proposed some changes to the HSR project and we have been discussing them in good faith with Malaysia.

“We will make our best efforts to conclude discussions with Malaysia by Dec 31. However, if by Dec 31 Malaysia does not proceed with the HSR Project, under our agreement with Malaysia, Malaysia will bear the agreed costs incurred by Singapore in fulfilling the HSR bilateral agreement,” it said.

Source: https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/ca...out-singapore/
 

laksaboy

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Remember that in 2014, after Lee Hsien Loong mentioned the Jurong Lake District and high-speed railway plans, all the real estate cronies had an orgasm after that. :biggrin:

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Jurong Country Club members shocked at decision to have high-speed rail terminus on club's site
MAY 11, 2015
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...-at-decision-to-have-high-speed-rail-terminus
 

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syed putra

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The proposal offered by PAP is too expensive. New station in jurong, new bridge, And PAP charges are not cheap.
Expect PAP to impose hefty cancellation fee.
To build a affordable high speed rail, it has to stop in JB or kranji along old ktm land. No need for land acquisition.no need for new bridge. You need to build only one new kranji railway station.
And no need for posh looking trains. A simple electric locomotive can pull coaches up to 250 km/ hr. I reckon that is fast enough.
 

syed putra

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Of course if PAP still insist on jurong stop, they can build their own railway between batu pahat to jurong and Buy their own high speed trains . And share tracks from batu pahat northwards with ktm on newly built high speed rail tracks.
This will be a sinkie private rail to KL.
In Europe, trains of one country uses rail tracks in other countries. You just need to pay for the usage. The sinkie service csn be non stop direct to KL.
 

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no point going all the way to sg as there will already be a rapid transit connection between jb and sg. hsr doesn’t work well across international boundaries that require passport and custom controls, unlike west europe, and prc/hk. wtf are sg technocrats thinking?
 

syed putra

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no point going all the way to sg as there will already be a rapid transit connection between jb and sg. hsr doesn’t work well across international boundaries that require passport and custom controls, unlike west europe, and prc/hk. wtf are sg technocrats thinking?
They wanted to screw jiu hu when najib was still in power. They couldn't believe their luck with all the concessions they got under najib. They wanted KL to build everything but PAP has say on how its done.
HSR contract signed with hefty cancellation clause. So we will see how much that comes to.
 

congo9

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Why do you want a HSR right in Singapore? It does not serve any good purpose? The people from North can come in freely
 

laksaboy

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Why do you want a HSR right in Singapore? It does not serve any good purpose? The people from North can come in freely

Cronies can enrich themselves by undertaking vainglorious construction projects. It was why an open-air carpark was turned into the Changi Jewel. :wink:
 

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no point going all the way to sg as there will already be a rapid transit connection between jb and sg. hsr doesn’t work well across international boundaries that require passport and custom controls, unlike west europe, and prc/hk. wtf are sg technocrats thinking?
kinda true kinda not true.

While I agree that the benefit of high speed is largely eliminated because of border controls, there is a benefit to not having to transit to another system. I remember back in the day when I used to take the TGV/Eurostar to points in Europe. Back then, the English side of the rail was an agonizing crawl from Waterloo to Dover. Once you hit the French side the panorama of the countryside flying past was remarkable and watching the cars on the autoroute doing 160 km/h+ going backwards! you probably travelled trenitalia. Since you were in the mountains you probably also travelled on the pendolino?

But it still was a darn sight better than screwing around with catching different trains or going through one of Southern England's airports.

Can you say budget airline? Most miserable way to travel.
 

syed putra

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Flip flop Malaysia! Sign contract for what? Singapore should just sue and move on.
Najib was PAP puppet. I wonder how much he got for bending over. All contracts signed benefit the other party. Including those with china. By not linking to jurong, i reckon the cost of construction is reduced by 30%,.
 

syed putra

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no point going all the way to sg as there will already be a rapid transit connection between jb and sg. hsr doesn’t work well across international boundaries that require passport and custom controls, unlike west europe, and prc/hk. wtf are sg technocrats thinking?
In the old days, passport control was done at the tg pagar station. Both for malaysia and singapore.
 

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Najib was PAP puppet. I wonder how much he got for bending over. All contracts signed benefit the other party. Including those with china. By not linking to jurong, i reckon the cost of construction is reduced by 30%,.

He is a greedy man, highly corrupt and easily bribed. That's why the Chicom agent (and rumoured illegitimate son of a top CCP official) Jho Low swindled him.
 

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He is a greedy man, highly corrupt and easily bribed. That's why the Chicom agent (and rumoured illegitimate son of a top CCP official) Jho Low swindled him.
PAP and singkie high comm in KL already reminding about the penalty issue. The called it compensation for cost already incurred.
 

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SG-China industrial park...screwed by PRC
SG-Malaysia HRS...screwed by Malaysia
SG-India CECA....citizen screwed by ah nai :redface:
 

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Why do we need A HSR ?? It doesn't benefit Singaporean at all.
Imagine the people from KL and Penang flood Singapore job market. Work 5 days and goes back to KL and Penang once a week. How would that benefit Singaporean ???
Imagine people from Johor come in and work and goes back home day in and out, what's there in for Singaporean ???
They are the ones who benefitted not us. They earn the money and invest in their own property and no one will want to rent overly expensive property in Singapore. It has a hollow out effect. What's there for Singaporean.

Singapore is a high costs nation with little or no Intellectual patent to it's name. No innovation or some high tech stuff that the World needed. We can only look foward to import more cheap labor to actually supress our already pathetic salary.
 
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