Khong Guan biscuits up the lorry

[dysentry]

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/10/16/nation/20081016125216&sec=nation

PUTRAJAYA: Excessive melamine was found in 18 of 47 biscuits produced by the Khong Guan and Khian Guan brands and they have been ordered removed from the shelves immediately.

“We have also requested that they voluntarily recall the rest of the products (the remaining 29),” said Health Minister Datuk Liow Tiong Lai

Asked if they had agreed to do so, Liow said: “Yes, they are very responsive. They are all responsible companies.”

The 18 biscuit products were found to have melamine in excess of the permissable 2.5mg/kg or 2.5 parts per million (ppm).

Liow said the Ministry had traced the source of the melamine to ammonium bicarbonate imported by both manufacturers from China.

“Results from our tests found that Khong Guan biscuits contained 33.4ppm while Khian Guan contained 508ppm,” he said.

As such, Liow had banned the import of ammonium bicarbonate from China, placing the substance under Level 6 Examination (Auto Rejection), while ammonium bicarbonate from other countries were placed under Level 4 Examination (Surveilance Examination) under the Food Safety Information of Malaysia (FoSIM).

Excessive melamine was first linked to contaminated dairy products, but Liow said the Ministry would now be more alert and test more products other than those with dairy content due to the ammonium bicarbonate findings.

Ammonium bicarbonate is usually used as a raising agent in biscuit production and is allowed under the Food Rules 1985 but strict action had to be taken to protect the health of consumers, he said.

“All factories that use ammonium bicarbonate from China will have their products tested. We will test all biscuits in the country,” he said.

 

[davetan1]

Poison milk and biscuits, shares falling like leaves, what is the world coming to ?

 

[DIVISION1]

We must be vigilant　of the food security in Singapore. Our lives depend on it.

 

[snrcitizen]

We must be vigilant　of the food security in Singapore. Our lives depend on it.

How do you propose for us to be vigilant? Set up our own food testing labs at home?

 

[DIVISION1]

If you suffer adverse reaction to food consumed and the results from your doctor's diagnosis is suspected poisoning, it may be good to recall if it could be a result of something you may have eaten. Reporting to the relevant authorities of this is always an option available. Singapore imports most of its food stuffs from overseas. While the AVA is doing its best to check the food that Singaporeans consume, it is impossible to ensure 100 percent safety. Part of the reason is ingredients for processed food is difficult to determine for the country of origin. This is a problem that all countries have to face in global trade and global sourcing with imported food products, especially processed ones. This problem has not been studied and monitored in sufficent detail internationally and thus the current cases occuring so extensively over the world with the China milk incident. No one is unexposed to the potential scale of this problem, develop or undeveloped countries.
The economic recession coming, may tempt some manufacturers or producers to adopt dangerous strategies for economic survival. Thus, one can only say be vigilant of your food safety. Excessive paranoia is neither encouraged as one might end up not eating at all.

 

[vamjok]

if anyone of you from ava need help in outsourcing for testing of the food sample. feel free to contact me, we can talk about the fee

 

[DIVISION1]

Thank you, moniker vamjok. I see we have a person who is expressing his desire to help in a problem that remains unknown in terms of its extent.

 

[vamjok]

my mouth is more sensitive than the LCMSMS in detection of melanine up to ppb level

 

[madmansg]

I use to take SAF biscuit to fall sick for tommorrow MC.

 

[DIVISION1]

Then you must be one of those with a gifted and discerning tongue. I congratulate you for it. I hope you do not take up smoking. It can destroy that gift permanently. Can I assume you the ability also to discern different shades of taste in wine and tea? Most people in the world are taste insensitive as this is a genetic factored and accquired skill.

 

[snrcitizen]

If you suffer adverse reaction to food consumed and the results from your doctor's diagnosis is suspected poisoning, it may be good to recall if it could be a result of something you may have eaten. Reporting to the relevant authorities of this is always an option available. Singapore imports most of its food stuffs from overseas. While the AVA is doing its best to check the food that Singaporeans consume, it is impossible to ensure 100 percent safety. Part of the reason is ingredients for processed food is difficult to determine for the country of origin. This is a problem that all countries have to face in global trade and global sourcing with imported food products, especially processed ones. This problem has not been studied and monitored in sufficent detail internationally and thus the current cases occuring so extensively over the world with the China milk incident. No one is unexposured to the potential scale of this problem, develop or undeveloped countries.
The economic recession coming, may tempt some manufacturers or producers to adopt dangerous strategies for economic survival. Thus, one can only say be vigilant of your food safety. Excessive paranoia is neither encouraged as one might end up not eating at all.

In the China milk incident, which you brought up as an example, the effects of consuming the tainted milk was never evident from initial consumption. It was only from the deaths of babies in China which provided the first indications of presence of melamine after test results. So how do you define vigilance? After the death of a few babies?

By the way, please explain to us the meaning of "unexposured".

 

[vamjok]

i believe they call me a "savant"

 

[DIVISION1]

It should be "unexposed" and it has been rectified. Cumulative poisoning is a major problem in the modern world. With the numerous manufactured chemical compounds which are circulating within the biosphere, we cannot be sure of their impact on humans, especially the long term ones. LD50 tests, the best available proxy testing method that we have, do not necessarily provide us with accurate results. Lab rats are not humans. Thus, adverse reaction to rats may not mean harmful reaction to us and vice versa.

Rumsfeld said it best:

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. "

His quote carries ironic aptness, even with the end of the Iraqi war.

 

[vamjok]

I use to take SAF biscuit to fall sick for tommorrow MC.

that old uncle batch of bisket is only nice when it is dip into milo
eat it raw without drinking any water u are asking for a big time in toilet the next day

 

[vamjok]

It should be "unexposed" and it has been rectified. Cumulative poisoning is a major problem in the modern world. With the numerous manufactured chemical compounds which are circulating within the biosphere, we cannot be sure of their impact on humans, especially the long term ones. LD50 tests, the best available proxy testing method that we have, do not necessarily provide us with accurate results. Lab rats are not humans. Thus, adverse reaction to rats may not mean harmful reaction to us and vice versa.

Rumsfeld said it best:

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. "

His quote carries ironic aptness, even with the end of the Iraqi war.

hello i know this forum for talking cock
but if technical things if you don't understand what the hell it is,
don't spread the wrong info

you know the meaning of LD50 a not. it stands for the dosage which can kill 50 percent of the population.

it is often not refer to the dosage due to long term exposure but rather than acute short term exposure.

long terms effects studies are not reflected from LD50 values which does not make any sense.

 

[snrcitizen]

It should be "unexposed" and it has been rectified. Cumulative poisoning is a major problem in the modern world. With the numerous manufactured chemical compounds which are circulating within the biosphere, we cannot be sure of their impact on humans, especially the long term ones. LD50 tests, the best available proxy testing method that we have, do not necessarily provide us with accurate results. Lab rats are not humans. Thus, adverse reaction to rats may not mean harmful reaction to us and vice versa.

Rumsfeld said it best:

"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. "

His quote carries ironic aptness, even with the end of the Iraqi war.

So, pray tell, where does your original suggestion of citizens' vigilance come into play reading from the wall of words you just posted?

 

[myjohnson]

Five dollars words for fifty cents answers. Is this guy on an ego trip?

 

[snrcitizen]

hello i know this forum for talking cock
but if technical things if you don't understand what the hell it is,
don't spread the wrong info

you know the meaning of LD50 a not. it stands for the dosage which can kill 50 percent of the population.

it is often not refer to the dosage due to long term exposure but rather than acute short term exposure.

long terms effects studies are not reflected from LD50 values which does not make any sense.

Hahaha! Division1 is caught with his pants down, again. Making a fool of himself by trying to use big sounding terms he does not understand himself.

Since he likes to quote from former US leaders, how about this one directed back to him, "You can fool some people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time".

 

[myjohnson]

Is he on i-mode or had he gone back to suckle mama dog?

 

[snrcitizen]

Five dollars words for fifty cents answers. Is this guy on an ego trip?

It's more like fifty dollars worth of words for 2 cents answers. A superinflated ego case.