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Johor may secede from Mudland

Jah_rastafar_I

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KUALA LUMPUR - In a shock move that is bound to roil Prime Minister Najib Razak's already embattled administration, the younger brother of Johor’s crown prince has warned Johor may secede from Malaysia.

In a post on Instagram, Tunku Idris Sultan Ibrahim issued a reminder that the Johor government had joined the Malay federation in 1946 on several conditions.

“If any of these conditions are violated, then Johor will secede from Malaysia,” Tunku Idris posted on his Instagram account @tunku_idris.
Among the conditions listed included making Islam the religion of the state, the state’s absolute right over water and land issues, and the state royal house to have its own armed forces.

According to the Malay Mail and Malaysiakini, the posting was made on Sunday and removed today without explanation.

The Johor royal family has always been known for its proud and independent stance among Malaysia's royal families. The country is a constitutional monarchy where the position of King or Agong is rotated among its Sultans. While the role of the Sultans have been largely ceremonial since the formation of Malaya and their powers further crimped by ex-premier Mahathir Mohamad in 1993, they enjoy the respect of the people, especially the Malays.

Tunku Idris' outburst comes hot on the heels of a cavalier warning from Najib's Tourism Minister, Nazri Aziz, who had publicly threatened to 'whack' Tunku Ismail, after the latter publicly criticized Najib for his no-show at a controversial tell-all 1MDB forum.

Nazri's disrespectful and careless words stirred red-hot anger across the southern state, just a stone's throw away from Singapore.

Indeed, in his reply addressed to all Malaysians, Tunku Ismail - who is first in line to succeed his father as the next Sultan - had hinted at secession:
"There will come a time, when the Johorean people must decide what is best for us and our future generations. Decide and unite we will, as Bangsa Johor, to forge our future. United we stand strong, divided we fall. I stand for my rakyat, not to joust for power, not to topple the government, but to ensure the well-being of my people," wrote Tunku Ismail.

Johor is one of Malaysia's largest and richest state but it is not the only of 13 states, where the desire to secede has been expressed. In Sabah and Sarawak, the move to gain 'independence' from the peninsula-based Umno-led federal government is gaining steam. This despite Najib's government passing new legislation to outlaw any talk of secession by making it punishable under the draconian Sedition Act.

Now with a member of the Johor royal family publicly warning of such a move, Najib and his Cabinet are in a prickly situation. How to punish royalty, especially popular royalty who enjoy the support of the masses while they - Najib and his Umno party - have become increasingly unpopular due to unceasing grand-scale corruption, unfair rule and institutionalized intimidation.

Rise of large-scale corruption & public unhappiness

Technically, the royals are no longer immune from prosecution but such a controversial step may trigger a revolt and Najib's own immediate political demise.

The 60-year-old Najib is arguably Malaysia's worst prime minister. During his tenure which began in 2009, Malaysia has been roiled by major social, economic and political controversies including banning non-Muslims from using the Arabic word Allah to describe God and jailing Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim for alleged sodomy.

But the greatest nightmare is in the economy where a string of financial debacles have been unearther, most notably the RM42 billion 1MDB scandal, which many financial experts have blamed for causing the country's currency - the ringgit - to plummet to 1997 Asian Crisis levels and which some fear may force the government to re-implement a 3.80 peg to the US dollar in a bid to stem capital flight.

This has triggered public dissatisfaction with Najib's rule, with ex-premier Mahathir Mohamad leading the calls for his resignation. It would not come as a surprise that Najib's lavish ways have been noted with increasingly alarm by the royals, who may fear their own wealth may eventually be eroded by grave economic mismanagement.

Housing and property bill

There are some in Johor who believe Sultan Ibrahim is enraged with Umno due to dissatisfaction over the state’s Real Property and Housing Board Bill.
“Sultan Ibrahim Sultan Iskandar wants the Johor Real Property and Housing Board Bill to be reviewed,” national news agency Bernama had said in a one-line report in early May.

The Johor Housing and Real Property Enactment Board Bill 2014 was amended and passed by the state legislative assembly in June 2014, following uproar over the state’s granting of administrative powers to the Johor Sultan, which critics said goes against the principles of a constitutional monarchy.

The revised housing bill includes a provision for the Sultan is to act on the advice of the mentri besar, The Star reported Johor's Local Government and Housing executive councillor Datuk Abdul Latif Bandi saying in his speech in the assembly.

This would go against the royal family's claim of absolute right over water and land issues. - Malaysia Chronicle
 

rotiprata

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interesting proposition..
will the people in johor vote to become a republic.... or to be ruled by the mafia family :biggrin:
 

bigboss

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interesting proposition..
will the people in johor vote to become a republic.... or to be ruled by the mafia family :biggrin:

Another interesting possibility - what if Johore were to secede from Malaysia, followed by Sabah and Sarawak, would these 3 states and Brunei inivte sinapor to join them to create a new federation or a loosely formulated political grouping like the EU?

All of them are small size in terms of land mass but if they can group together, they will have the pooled resources to develop economically. As usual, sinapor will be the brain to drive the group, it has nothing to offer except the brain power. LKY would not have died in vain. His life mission is to see the security and economy of sinapor protected and enhanced. On the other hand, would the Indo launch another controntasi?

The new admin in Jakarta might not have the same madness as Sukarno way back then.
 

bigboss

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in this way, the Johore royal family can reap more money from s'pore. i think...

The crown prince is an intelligent chap, educated in the West and trained in Indian army. He sees the development and progress of sinapor, the attraction of sinapor like an economic lighthouse to foreigners seeking peace and security and the envy of many countries in the world.

He wants Johore to be developed like sinapor and realises the politicians in KL are goons, unable to make the country as prosperous as sinapor. The state of affairs in his country is indeed deplorable. There should be a royal commission of inquiry into 1MDB but none seems to be on the horizon. If 1MDB saga were to happen in sinapor, heads would be rolling.
 

dancingshoes

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this is a jolly good idea, we can never worry about water from JB anymore. but i foresee huge oppose from other states in malaysai.

Another interesting possibility - what if Johore were to secede from Malaysia, followed by Sabah and Sarawak, would these 3 states and Brunei inivte sinapor to join them to create a new federation or a loosely formulated political grouping like the EU?

All of them are small size in terms of land mass but if they can group together, they will have the pooled resources to develop economically. As usual, sinapor will be the brain to drive the group, it has nothing to offer except the brain power. LKY would not have died in vain. His life mission is to see the security and economy of sinapor protected and enhanced. On the other hand, would the Indo launch another controntasi?

The new admin in Jakarta might not have the same madness as Sukarno way back then.
 

aerobwala

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Joko must be a Airsoft fanatic.


Around May 26, 2015, with Army Chief Gatot Nurmantyo on the left and Armed Forces Chief Moeldoko on the right
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Around June 16, 2015, with Professor Din Syamsuddin
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The new admin in Jakarta might not have the same madness as Sukarno way back then.
 
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Poomer

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Joko must be a Airsoft fanatic.


Around May 26, 2015, with Army Chief Gatot Nurmantyo on the left and Armed Forces Chief Moeldoko on the right
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Around June 16, 2015, with Profession Din Syamsuddin
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When surrounded by his generals he does look clownish.
 

rotiprata

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bb:
sabah, sarawak are not small countries.... they are bigger, much richer than any of the states in mudland
only difference, over the years... they have been robbed and raped of their resources by those corrupt politicians in putra jaya

if the johor crown prince's intention is sincere and genuine, then johor will have a brighter future ahead
if he behaves like his old man or his old man-old man...??? then good luck to the johor people

Another interesting possibility - what if Johore were to secede from Malaysia, followed by Sabah and Sarawak, would these 3 states and Brunei inivte sinapor to join them to create a new federation or a loosely formulated political grouping like the EU?

All of them are small size in terms of land mass but if they can group together, they will have the pooled resources to develop economically. As usual, sinapor will be the brain to drive the group, it has nothing to offer except the brain power. LKY would not have died in vain. His life mission is to see the security and economy of sinapor protected and enhanced. On the other hand, would the Indo launch another controntasi?

The new admin in Jakarta might not have the same madness as Sukarno way back then.
 

Runifyouhaveto

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I dunno if it is a good or bad thing if Johor secede from Malaysia. Johor will be a very strong state in Southeast Asia with its vast natural and financial resources. Effectively, an independent Johor state threatens both Singapore and Putrajaya. If Johor succeeds, it will encourage similiar motions in Penang, Sabah and Sarawak.

By then, we will ask
- will China recognize Johor?
- will US recognize Johor?
- will Russia recognize Johor?
- will Singapore recognize Johor?
- will commonwealth recognize Johor?

The reward? Straits of Malacca, at least
 

dancingshoes

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the most important is to our advantage, if not sinkieland's survival in the next hundred years is in doubt as quoted by lky. we need to create discord among malaysia and then propose to form a union with selected states. muahaha...

I dunno if it is a good or bad thing if Johor secede from Malaysia. Johor will be a very strong state in Southeast Asia with its vast natural and financial resources. Effectively, an independent Johor state threatens both Singapore and Putrajaya. If Johor succeeds, it will encourage similiar motions in Penang, Sabah and Sarawak.

By then, we will ask
- will China recognize Johor?
- will US recognize Johor?
- will Russia recognize Johor?
- will Singapore recognize Johor?
- will commonwealth recognize Johor?

The reward? Straits of Malacca, at least
 

syed putra

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Another interesting possibility - what if Johore were to secede from Malaysia, followed by Sabah and Sarawak, would these 3 states and Brunei inivte sinapor to join them to create a new federation or a loosely formulated political grouping like the EU?

All of them are small size in terms of land mass but if they can group together, they will have the pooled resources to develop economically. As usual, sinapor will be the brain to drive the group, it has nothing to offer except the brain power. LKY would not have died in vain. His life mission is to see the security and economy of sinapor protected and enhanced. On the other hand, would the Indo launch another controntasi?

The new admin in Jakarta might not have the same madness as Sukarno way back then.

More likely, sinkies will be the leech sucking the natural resources of these land than providing "brains".
 

tanwahtiu

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die die don't let this happen or else Sinkies will hv 3 months reservist stint instaed of 2 weeks every year and their jobs goes to fake quali FTs.



Another interesting possibility - what if Johore were to secede from Malaysia, followed by Sabah and Sarawak, would these 3 states and Brunei inivte sinapor to join them to create a new federation or a loosely formulated political grouping like the EU?

All of them are small size in terms of land mass but if they can group together, they will have the pooled resources to develop economically. As usual, sinapor will be the brain to drive the group, it has nothing to offer except the brain power. LKY would not have died in vain. His life mission is to see the security and economy of sinapor protected and enhanced. On the other hand, would the Indo launch another controntasi?

The new admin in Jakarta might not have the same madness as Sukarno way back then.
 

greedy and cunning

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I dunno if it is a good or bad thing if Johor secede from Malaysia. Johor will be a very strong state in Southeast Asia with its vast natural and financial resources. Effectively, an independent Johor state threatens both Singapore and Putrajaya. If Johor succeeds, it will encourage similiar motions in Penang, Sabah and Sarawak.

By then, we will ask
- will China recognize Johor?
- will US recognize Johor?
- will Russia recognize Johor?
- will Singapore recognize Johor?
- will commonwealth recognize Johor?

The reward? Straits of Malacca, at least

no problem man.
johore 'join' sillypoore.
and be called jollypoore
in name only.
but all things remain the same
and sillypoore can benefit greatly in many ways, like get fresh water again.
 

50000

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no problem man.
johore 'join' sillypoore.
and be called jollypoore
in name only.
but all things remain the same
and sillypoore can benefit greatly in many ways, like get fresh water again.

johore don't need SG to join them just because they need the "brains", you think too highly of sinkies....they might as well suck up to the Chinese (which they are already doing) and tap on their 1.3b brain power rather than sinkies' 0.005b brain power
 

Runifyouhaveto

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For Johor's leadership, the possibility of running an economy larger than Singapore under absolute monarchy like Brunei is too tempting.

If Singapore is the Japan of Southeast Asia,
Johor will be the S.Korea - strategically positioned, abundant room for growth, youthful workforce
 
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