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I bet this fucker must feel real proud about shooting a man dead leegally!
- Thread starter Hakka Tiow
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I dont think the SPF have people that are well trained in handling crisis and negotiating. Especially those doing Full-time NS, most of them are just passing time just to fulfill their obligation.
I agree with that sentiment. The standard is dropping by the day and its right across a the government sector. Poor service, poor attitude and quite directionless.
As you can see by the many replies that its a decent world after all. There is still hope for the human race. Enforcement chaps like soldiers may take pride in killing a criminal or the enemy force but when it comes to a mentally disturbed person, its never a win win situation. Both sides lose a bit of themselves. Its a dirty job but he did it and removed the danger.
I feel compelled to clear the air about something. Whether the officer is of a certain colour or the dead perp is of whatever another, I stand by my thread header and the opinions I had expressed.
Is that your main point? This is not what the title says.. "I bet this fucker must feel real proud about shooting a man dead leegally!"
http://video2.channelnewsasia.com/c...r=chineseplayer.swf&filename=xin_ch_fri07.flv
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At yesterday’s joint inquest into the deaths of Lim and Mr Tan, Staff Sgt Azli said he was issued with a revolver, bullets, a T-baton, a taser or stun gun and a pair of handcuffs that day.
He and Cpl Tan were initially despatched to Jalan Kukoh but were then told to go to the Chinatown MRT station to search for the suspect, a 1.7m-tall man in white T-shirt and black trousers.
Acting on instructions, they went on to Outram Park station, where they saw a man on a train platform who fit the description.
Mr Lee, who was in the area, confirmed it was Lim.
After that, everything happened quickly.
When Lim began to talk to a passer- by, Staff Sgt Azli called out to the man and gestured to him to move aside.
Lim quickly slipped his hand into his sling bag, and as he did so, Staff Sgt Azli placed his right hand on his service revolver.
Seeing Lim whip out a knife from the bag, Staff Sgt Azli drew out his revolver and pointed it at him. The policeman warned him to “stop it” but Lim continued to dash towards him as he retreated.
I fired one shot at the culprit because he did not stop charging at me with the knife,” he said in his statement.
Staff Sgt Azli said the two of them were about 2m apart.
He felt the firearm was an “effective way to stop him from attacking me”.
He said: “I assessed that he was going to attack me with the knife and if he was not stopped in time, I would be fatally, if not seriously injured by him.”
Under questioning by State Coroner Victor Yeo, the officer said that he drew his revolver only when he saw the culprit take out a knife. He said he had been trained to aim at the central mass of the body, and did not have time to target at a more specific part.
Asked why the stun gun was not used instead, he said that in his defence tactics and firearms training, the taser gun was never used for such situations. These were introduced in 2005 to provide police officers with another option in hostile situations.
“If a knife is used, the X26 taser gun is not appropriate. It is only used to contain and during stand-off situations, for example, if the subject is holding onto a wooden pole and swinging it widely and may cause harm to officers,” he said.
Using a T-baton might not be effective either as one had to be close to the subject. In such situations, taser is deployed to incapacitate the subject and effect arrest without harm to anybody, he added.
The inquiry continue
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At yesterday’s joint inquest into the deaths of Lim and Mr Tan, Staff Sgt Azli said he was issued with a revolver, bullets, a T-baton, a taser or stun gun and a pair of handcuffs that day.
He and Cpl Tan were initially despatched to Jalan Kukoh but were then told to go to the Chinatown MRT station to search for the suspect, a 1.7m-tall man in white T-shirt and black trousers.
Acting on instructions, they went on to Outram Park station, where they saw a man on a train platform who fit the description.
Mr Lee, who was in the area, confirmed it was Lim.
After that, everything happened quickly.
When Lim began to talk to a passer- by, Staff Sgt Azli called out to the man and gestured to him to move aside.
Lim quickly slipped his hand into his sling bag, and as he did so, Staff Sgt Azli placed his right hand on his service revolver.
Seeing Lim whip out a knife from the bag, Staff Sgt Azli drew out his revolver and pointed it at him. The policeman warned him to “stop it” but Lim continued to dash towards him as he retreated.
I fired one shot at the culprit because he did not stop charging at me with the knife,” he said in his statement.
Staff Sgt Azli said the two of them were about 2m apart.
He felt the firearm was an “effective way to stop him from attacking me”.
He said: “I assessed that he was going to attack me with the knife and if he was not stopped in time, I would be fatally, if not seriously injured by him.”
Under questioning by State Coroner Victor Yeo, the officer said that he drew his revolver only when he saw the culprit take out a knife. He said he had been trained to aim at the central mass of the body, and did not have time to target at a more specific part.
Asked why the stun gun was not used instead, he said that in his defence tactics and firearms training, the taser gun was never used for such situations. These were introduced in 2005 to provide police officers with another option in hostile situations.
“If a knife is used, the X26 taser gun is not appropriate. It is only used to contain and during stand-off situations, for example, if the subject is holding onto a wooden pole and swinging it widely and may cause harm to officers,” he said.
Using a T-baton might not be effective either as one had to be close to the subject. In such situations, taser is deployed to incapacitate the subject and effect arrest without harm to anybody, he added.
The inquiry continue
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I agree very much its a dirty job and its a job no one would want to do if presented with a clear situation. But was the situation clear?
No doubt, the use of NSman as police officers had lowered policing standards. But i wont argue about the standard, but more of the situation that present itself.
lets look back at Singapore's police history. How many such case had taken place for the past twenty years where police officers have to draw their weapeansand use them? So far that i know, not more than 10 and it could even be lesser. By that, how many police officers of any rank had the experince to deal with such a situation clearly?
The police can be very very well trained, but looking at reality, training can only prepare you so much. Experience of such matter is limited and with few experiences, many police would never imagine themselves handling such a matter no matter how well trained they could ever be.
perhaps the officer could have disarmed the man with batons or other means, but the situation had reacted for itself. The police officer it seems does not really know how to react to a situation he is unfamiliar with and he react just by his instincts.
i m sure the police officer could be having nightmares on what he did. He is in a position which i will never be envy of.
what the hell are you talking about?
if you are saying this of a man with sane mind, that I would agree.
the man who was gunned down, was he of sane mind when he stab another earlier? woudl he think as you have claim so?
Is that your main point? This is not what the title says.. "I bet this fucker must feel real proud about shooting a man dead leegally!"
The thread header should always be the focus of the main point? You have every right to be unhappy with my views. If you are, why won't you come right out with it? I will still respect your views and opinions. Divided opinions are to be expected.
If you have to know, the thread header is my expression of disgust over the smug look of a man who had taken a life, the point of contention that it looks like a black and white case of good over evil notwithstanding. a life was taken. could things had been done differently? Or should we just accept everything the authorities say without question? A very obvious Singaporean trait! Suckers for spin.
Bet you will just love it if a photo is published of a hangman whom after his Friday dawn labours are over and he had a beer while laughing boisterously with his mates as in good taste!
Is that your main point? This is not what the title says.. "I bet this fucker must feel real proud about shooting a man dead leegally!"
I do not think he has a main point, or any point anymore.
Where in my posts had I brought up the question of the dead man's sanity status other than about the police training video? I'm through with you.
And you are the epitome of philosophical sophistication in this forum.:oIo:
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Apprehend a murderer in force! Not with a 22 year old NS partner!
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