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I became Vegetarian to be healthier... But it's changed my whole world!

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Can try this vegetarian eating plan for 28 days and see if it is healthy or not..

http://www.eatingwell.com/nutrition_health/weight_loss_diet_plans/diet_meal_plans/vegetarian_meal_plan

EatingWell's 28-day Vegetarian Meal Plan provides an overall healthy-eating program that meets the U.S. Dietary Guidelines for Americans at three different daily caloric levels: 1200, 1500 and 1800. These menus are packed with nutrient-rich foods, including whole grains, low-fat dairy and plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables. The recipes use a variety of vegetarian protein sources, such as legumes, tofu, tempeh, whole grains, nuts, as well as cheese and eggs.

Each of the 28 days on the plan includes 5 to 8 EatingWell recipes that use common, everyday ingredients and are simple to prepare. The recipes include entrees, side dishes, salads and desserts and are accompanied by other healthy foods to create nutritionally balanced meals that are both delicious and satisfying. In addition to breakfast, lunch and dinner, each day on the plans includes a morning and an afternoon snack. Although many of the daily meal plans are almost vegan, they were not designed to be. However, with minor modifications, a strict vegan can follow these meal plans by replacing certain animal-source ingredients with the vegan counterpart: for example, soymilk for milk or soy cheese for cheese.


Vegetarians and vegans have to get the bulks of their calories from other sources than meat and often end up eating larger portions of soy, wheat or other grain based products. Tofu, soy milk, breads, pastas, rice, … Those products are toxic and lead to a high carbohydrate load which could lead to chronically high insulin levels, weight gain and diabetes in the long run ;)
 
Why nobody can answer me why vegetarian love their food to look like meat and taste like one ? Buay tahan Liao must eat meat ? ;)
 
Why nobody can answer me why vegetarian love their food to look like meat and taste like one ? Buay tahan Liao must eat meat ? ;)

those are for meat-eaters who want to try vegetarian food. :D
 
those are for meat-eaters who want to try vegetarian food. :D

Or vegetarian who wanted to imagine they put meat into their mouth ? ;) by the way most of the customers are vegetarian ;)
 
Why nobody can answer me why vegetarian love their food to look like meat and taste like one ? Buay tahan Liao must eat meat ? ;)

Why you never ask why gay like to play with cocks but ask their partner to dress like girls? :D
 
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Six Reasons Why Vegetarian Diet is so Good

Here are six reasons of why vegetarian diet is so good for you:

  1. Vegetarian cuisine is naturally low in saturated fats, and foods of plant origin contain little or no cholesterol.
     
  2. Plant foods are also much higher in fiber than animal foods.
     
  3. Many plant foods contain significant amounts of vital B-vitamins, and folic acid: and fruits and vegetables are powerful sources of phytochemicals - nutrients that help every organ of the body work better.
     
  4. Vegetarians tend to eat fewer calories, since grains, legumes, fruits, and vegetables, volume-for-volume, tend to be lower in calories than meat and poultry. Studies have shown that as long as their diet is balanced and nutritious, the people who consume fewer total daily calories live longer and healthier lives.
     
  5. Veggie lovers believe that foods from plant sources, which are lower on the food chain, are safer than animal foods, since pollutants tend to concentrate in fatty tissues. While raw fruits and vegetables can carry harmful bacteria and pesticide residues just like meat, you can remove many of these pollutants by washing the plant foods. Trimming the fat from meat or chicken is less effective. Meat, poultry, and seafood are also more frequent carriers of foodborne illnesses than plant sources.
     
  6. Environmental conservationists believe that having more plant-based diets is healthier for the planet. It takes less energy and less farmland to feed a vegetarian than it does to feed livestock.
 
Happiness Begins with Veggies!

If there was an eating style that made you happy, would you do it?

What if that same eating style helped keep your weight in the healthy range? And reduced your risk of breast, bladder, and other cancers? Would you then?

Vegetarians have been studied extensively and recently, studies reveal that a vegetarian lifestyle is healthier overall. In Nutrition Journal, vegetarians had less depression, anxiety and stress and overall, better moods than meat-eaters in the U.S. The reason? Vegetarians eat less animal-based essential fatty acids and more omega-3 from plants.

People with diabetes have a higher incidence of colon, liver, pancreatic, and endometrial cancers. The American Diabetes Association and American Cancer Society suggest more whole grains, fruits and vegetables and less red and processed meats which reduces the risk.

In the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, researchers say postmenopausal women can lower their risk of breast cancer with a diet of whole grains, fruits, vegetables, and flax and sesame seeds (great sources for lignans).

And, red meat and processed meat, because of their processing with nitrates and nitrites, and grilled meats because of the high temperature required in grilling, increase bladder cancer between nearly 20-30% (Cancer).

And another study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, meat consumption contributed ONE POUND per year weight gain. That doesn’t sound like a lot but multiply that times 10 years and you’ve got the beginnings of a chunky monkey.
 
Eating meat is bad for you

http://www.vernoncoleman.com/eatingfor.htm


There is no longer any doubt about the fact that eating meat is bad for your health.

The list of diseases known to be associated with meat, which are commoner among meat eaters, looks like the index of a medical textbook.

Anaemia, appendicitis, arthritis, breast cancer, cancer of the colon, cancer of the prostate, constipation, diabetes, gall stones, gout, high blood pressure, indigestion, obesity, piles, strokes and varicose veins are just some of the well known disorders which are more likely to affect meat eaters than vegetarians.

Avoiding meat is one of the best and simplest ways to cut down your fat consumption.

Those who still eat beef are, in my view, foolishly exposing themselves to the risk of contracting the horrifying human version of Mad Cow Disease.

Add to those hazards the fact that if you eat meat you may be consuming hormones, drugs and other chemicals that have been fed to the animals before they were killed and you can see the extent of the danger. No one knows precisely what effect eating the hormones in meat is likely to have on your health. But the risk is there and I think it's a big one. Some farmers use tranquillisers to keep animals calm. Others routinely use antibiotics so that their animals do not develop infections. When you eat meat you are, inevitably, eating those drugs. In America, over half of all antibiotics are fed to animals and I don't think it is any coincidence that the percentage of staphylococci infections resistant to penicillin went up from 13% in 1960 to 91% in 1988.

The healthiness of a vegetarian diet is perhaps shown most dramatically by the fact that lifelong vegetarians visit hospitals 22% less often than meat eaters - and for shorter stays! Vegetarians tend to be fitter than meat eaters - as well as healthier - and many of the world's most successful athletes (particularly those who specialise in endurance events) follow a strictly vegetarian diet.

It is the fat in meat that does most harm - and which makes meat eating an even bigger health hazard than smoking - but don't think you can avoid the dangers simply by avoiding red meat because you cannot. If you want to eat a truly healthy diet then you must give up eating meat completely.

There are, of course, all sorts of old-fashioned myths about eating meat.

It used to be claimed that people who didn't eat meat would be short of protein.

But that is now known to be absolute nonsense.

And it is equally untrue that if you don't eat meat your diet will be deficient in essential vitamins or minerals.

Meat contains absolutely nothing - no protein, vitamins or minerals - that your body cannot obtain perfectly happily from a vegetarian diet.

Becoming healthier isn't the only reason for turning green.

Many of those who stop eating meat do so for moral and ethical reasons as much as for personal gain.

Every minute of every working day thousands of animals are killed in slaughterhouses. Many animals are bled to death. Pain and misery are commonplace - for animals suffer from pain and fear just as much as you do.

In an average lifetime the average meat eater will consume 36 pigs, 36 sheep and 750 chickens and turkeys. More and more people are deciding that they just don't want that much carnage on their consciences. It is never too late to stop eating meat.

In addition, more and more people are becoming aware of the fact that hunger around the world could be eradicated if rich westerners stopped eating meat.

Every year over 400 million tons of grain are fed to livestock - so that the world's rich can eat meat.

At the same time, 500 million people in poor countries are starving to death.

Many of those who toy with the idea of turning vegetarian (because they want to be healthier, because they want to stop world starvation or because they can no longer bear the thought of encouraging such a barbaric trade as the breeding and killing of animals for food) worry about what they are going to eat.

Such worries are quite unnecessary.

There are not only many different fruits and vegetables available these days but, if you miss the texture of meat, you can buy vegetarian sausages, hamburgers and pies. Stews and curries can be made with soya and you can buy tofu cheese too.

To keep healthy eat raw foods whenever you can (because vitamins are easily destroyed by cooking) and use as little water as possible when boiling vegetables in order to avoid losing water soluble vitamins B and C. Steam or stir fry vegetables if you can instead of boiling them.

Remember that keeping food hot - or reheating it - can destroy vitamins, try to eat fruit and vegetables in their skins (because vitamins are often stored just below the skin) and be imaginative when shopping! You can get the iron, calcium, zinc and other essential minerals that your body needs by eating dark green, leafy vegetables, nuts, pulses, sunflower seeds and dried fruits.

There are heaps of books available about food. My own book Food for Thought should tell you everything you need to know and is available through the shop on this website. Also, there are recipes for vegetarian and vegan meals on this website.
 
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Try giving vegetarians diet to a carnivorous and see what happen ;)
 
Re: Eating meat is bad for you

where the mod?

tony open a few threads on veggie.
 
Re: Eating meat is bad for you

In comments reportedly made during a press briefing for her new movie SALT, Angelina Jolie discussed her bad experiences with a vegan diet.

“I joke that a big juicy steak is my beauty secret,” said Jolie. “But seriously, I love red meat. I was a vegan for a long time, and it nearly killed me. I found I was not getting enough nutrition.”

This is not an uncommon complaint among former vegans; the limitations of the diet require extra diligence to make sure you get proper nutrients.



Dr. Mercola's Comments:


Any time you make a comment about vegetarianism/veganism, like actress Angelina Jolie’s recent casual remark, you run the risk of ruffling more than a few feathers.

But her experience was loudly echoed in many of the comments that were posted on the China Study rebuttal I posted last week.

There’s tremendous controversy about what type of diet is best – and whether or not you should ever eat meat.

My Beliefs on Vegetarianism

Let me summarize my position on this issue as it seems I failed to previously communicate it clearly and many thought I was advocating that everyone should eat meat, which is not at all the case.

I strongly believe every one should seek to consume high quality fresh organic and locally grown vegetables every day. The only question is how many, and what type of vegetables. I believe vegetables, and not large amounts of fruits, provide the powerhouse of nutritional benefits that will vastly improve your health.

As an example of complications of consuming too many fruits, I experimented with following a mostly vegetarian diet after reading the book Fit for Life back in 1985. The book made some very compelling arguments.

However, after a few weeks of eating fruit for breakfast I was stunned to discover my fasting triglycerides had skyrocketed from below 100 to nearly 3,000 (yes that is not a typo)! Clearly this diet was NOT right for me and was rapidly doing some serious damage to my body. I’m thankful I caught my mistake before it was too late.

I stated that if I had continued on that program I would have likely passed away from cardiovascular disease long ago. That does not mean the program does not work for some as I am sure many benefit by using it. However it clearly did not work for me personally, and I believe it could be a disaster for other strong protein types like myself.

However I am open to change and I view my life as a giant experiment to see how healthy I can get.

Previously I consumed meat at least once a day and more commonly twice a day. I have decreased my meat consumption over the past year to once or twice a week and replaced most of the meat with wild Alaskan salmon from Vital Choice. All the beef and chicken are organically and humanely raised, not factory farmed.

After reviewing the evidence it seems that raw organic milk is probably one of the healthiest proteins you can consume to promote health as it has many immune benefits and factors that will stimulate muscle growth if exercising properly and insufficient muscle mass is a problem for most people.

Raw milk has the highest biologic value and utilization of any protein. I personally drink over a gallon of raw organic sheep milk every week with my Miracle Whey protein and I believe that and my exercise program are the reason I have been able to reduce my body fat to 10%, gain ten pounds of muscle and lose ten pounds of fat and look like a sprinter now instead of a marathon runner.

Why Vegetarianism/Veganism is Not Right for Everyone

Before I go any further, I want to stress the importance of personal differences. It’s dangerous to say that any one diet is right or “best” for everyone.

Please understand that I am not at all advocating everyone needs to eat meat and certainly no one should eat factory farmed meat, where the harm may outweigh the benefit for most because of their well-documented problems, which are only exacerbated when the meat is cooked.

It is my clinical belief that virtually everyone benefits from some animal protein. In some cultures this may be very little and might just be the insects consumed in grains as in India. It is clear that meat is not necessary for most carb types, but they would benefit from other animal proteins like raw organic dairy and eggs. These protein sources would not violate any ethical concerns about sacrificing animals for meats.

A major confirmation to this belief was pointed out by a reader on my previous article by mentioning that there are 90,000 individuals in the US that are 100 years or older but none of them are vegetarians.

When making a decision about which foods to eat, there are a number of factors that need to be considered.. These factors all contribute to people’s confusion about diet, and about whether or not they should eat meat:

Your nutritional type, which determines what ratio of fats, carbohydrates and protein your body needs to thrive.

I believe it’s safe to say we all need some of each of these three categories, but our bodies require different ratios of each. This means that some people will thrive on very large amounts of vegetables and very little animal protein. For others, this ratio would spell disaster for their health.
The quality of the meat, and the way it is cooked will impact its health benefits.
The types and amounts of vegetables chosen, as not all vegetables are suitable for all nutritional types, and different types need more or less vegetables to thrive.
The people who fare the worst on a vegetarian diet are those who are naturally protein types, as they're depriving their bodies of essential fuel, determined by their genetic and biochemical makeup.

Freedom to Choose

I would never argue with someone refusing to choose any diet based on spiritual convictions, as that is their right.

However I strongly believe that there are health consequences for choosing to avoid all animal protein. While many will stay lean and avoid disease they are likely missing critical nutrients needed to optimize their health. It is my intent to help people understand the risks of the choices they are making.

The issue is all about informed choice, very similar to informed consent with vaccines which virtually never occurs. Most people are never given all the details and they blindly accept by faith and trust in the doctors that vaccines are useful.

I have a major problem with anyone taking a vaccine without doing their homework but if they have carefully studied both sides of the issue and choose to vaccinate then I would never argue with them as that is their right and privilege.

Will Cholesterol and Fat from Meat Harm Your Health?

In all likelihood Ms. Jolie is a protein type, or perhaps a mixed type, and adding an occasional steak back into her diet may very well be just what she needed – even though some pro-vegan MD’s like Stuart Seale vehemently disagree and ask her to “reconsider her position.”

In his blog he responds to Jolie’s comment by saying:

“Carbohydrates are the primary fuel the body uses for energy production, not protein, so if you’re feeling fatigued eating more animal foods won’t help.

What you will find naturally in animal foods are cholesterol, excess saturated fats, trans fat, antibiotics, concentrated toxins, and disease-causing bacteria (any potential bacterial contamination of plant foods comes from animal sources).”

Well, you need to remember that there’s more to nutrition than this and it’s all about synergy. You need a little bit of everything. And the idea that cholesterol and saturated fats are bad for you is also one of the most common health myths out there.

First of all, fatigue and listlessness can be due to any number of nutritional deficiencies, not just a lack of fuel in the form of carbs.

Just as a quick example, certain animal-based foods such as raw milk products, raw eggs, and meat contain high concentrations of the precursor amino acids that your body uses to make glutathione, which is your body’s most powerful antioxidant.

Not only that, but your body cannot function properly without sufficient amounts of protein (which will vary from person to person). Without high quality protein you cannot build new cells or maintain tissues, for example.

As for cholesterol and saturated fat being your enemy, this misconception has been carefully debunked in more recent years. Alas, the conventional system is not known for its speed to embrace corrective action even when a fallacy has been clearly revealed.

For an in-depth review of this issue, please read my most recent cholesterol report.

The truth is, many of the health problems attributed to fat and cholesterol are in fact caused by SUGAR, not fat!

If you do not understand this vital concept, you will likely continue to sabotage your health – avoiding health promoting foods, and substituting them with some of the most harmful ones.

As for meats being loaded with “antibiotics, concentrated toxins, and disease-causing bacteria,” Dr. Seale is correct – when discussing commercially-raised, factory farmed meats.

These problems, however, are absent when restricting meat choices to organically-raised, grass-fed meats.

Folks, these really are like two entirely different animals, and unless you can wrap your head around that fact, you’ll continue to be misled about the dangers of meat and other animal-based protein such as eggs and raw dairy as well.

Gold Standard of Vegetarian “Proof” is Anything But

Many who decide to become vegetarians for health reasons are often encouraged by research like The China Study written by T. Colin Campbell, who is not a physician but a PhD researcher with no clinical experience.

Unfortunately, there are a number of problems with the “evidence” laid out in Campbell’s work, which many ironically consider to be the gold standard of proof for the vegetarian diet.

First of all, the very title of the book is inaccurate. The China study is NOT actually a study but a comprehensive set of observations.

While this approach can be valuable, it cannot, and in fact does not, prove his assertion that animal protein should be avoided. None of his theories were ever tested to verify the veracity of his hypotheses.

The data from Campbell’s China "study" was first published in a massive book called Diet, Life-Style and Mortality in China. It contains several thousands of statistical correlations, which Campbell insists show that consuming animal protein is associated with increased rates of cancer.

However, it’s important to realize two things:

Since the China "study" was merely an observational study, the correlations do not – in fact, cannot -- prove causation. All you can really do with data from an observational study is to form a hypothesis, which must then be tested in randomized, controlled trials, to ferret out the truth about whether or not x actually causes y.
In many cases, the data do not show statistically significant correlations between animal protein consumption and disease such as cancer at all. On the contrary. It would seem that sugar and carbohydrates are correlated with cancer – not animal protein. In addition, the data indicate that fat is negatively correlated with cancer mortality, which again contradicts the claim that meat is harmful.
I recently addressed Campbell’s book in the article The Dark Side of the China Study Story Supporting Vegetarianism. For even more information, I highly recommend reading through Dr. Eade’s critique of The China Study, as he’s another practicing physician who like me - has treated tens of thousands of patients with nutritional interventions.

Granted, in addition to Campbell’s work there are other studies showing that eating meat is bad for you in one way or another, and being vegetarian is good. But it is my belief that most of these studies get the favorable findings toward vegetarianism because most people consume cooked animal protein, which can create all kinds of toxic, cancer-causing substances in the meat, which I’ll go over in a moment.

And again, I’m willing to bet that those studies were NOT done on people who exclusively eat only organic, grass-fed meats, which I believe would make all the difference in the world.

To the best of my knowledge there are no studies comparing raw animal-food-based diets versus cooked vegetarian diets. Nor are there any studies comparing grass-fed, organic, lightly cooked meat diets to vegetarian ones.

And even if there were, these types of studies could still be flawed because they most likely would not factor in the person’s nutritional type...

There is No Perfect Diet that Works for Everyone

Most of the confusion in this debate results from this reality. Vegetarian diets described by Campbell do work for large numbers of people. From my observations, perhaps about one third of the population would benefit from it – those who are strong carbohydrate types. These people thrive on plant-based foods and have spectacular health.

However, there is an equally large, or even larger, population whose health is devastated by restricting animal protein and fats. Forcing them to buy into the vegetarian dream is neither helpful nor “right.”

I personally learned this truth the hard way, after many of my patients failed to thrive on the largely plant-based diet I recommended to them. Then, about ten years ago, I was finally exposed to concepts that helped me understand this shocking observation.

I came to realize that there is an enormous level of biochemical and genetic individuality that essentially guarantees that there is no perfect food plan that will work for everyone, and each person must be treated as a whole individual unto themselves.

I eventually adopted a program called Nutritional Typing, which has become a central part of my health plan and is now available for free on my site.

This plan categorizes people into three different groups:

Protein: High amounts of healthy fats and protein and lower amounts of vegetables
Carb: High amounts of vegetables and lower amounts of protein and fat
Mixed: Somewhere between the above options
The population is divided equally between the groups, with about one third of the population of the US in each group.

In certain countries you will find high percentages in one group or another, but the US is has a widespread heterogeneity, probably because we are such a melting pot of different genetic backgrounds.

Interestingly, after implementing nutritional typing, some of the most dramatic improvements I saw were in individuals who turned out to be protein types but were eating mostly vegetables.

Some of these people had strong ethical positions about eating animal products, and I would never ask someone to eat animal foods if they had spiritual convictions against doing so.

However, others were simply confused about this issue, and thought being a vegetarian was the healthiest option. They couldn't understand why they felt so sick and had so many health problems.

Once we were able to clear up that confusion, and experiment with the program, the result was typically quite impressive.

So What’s the Best Way to Determine YOUR Optimal Diet?

One of the underlying principles of the nutritional typing program is to "Listen to Your Body" and adjust your foods based on how you feel mentally and physically after consuming them.

Many who claim to have tried nutritional typing and report feeling worse, have clearly missed this most essential point.

If, after a meal, you feel sluggish, tired, nauseous, or depressed, your meal was not ideal. If you are indeed following the nutritional typing program, this will be a giant clue that you need to modify your diet!

You make a great mistake if you simply take the test once and strictly follow the food choices recommended for that type – you must continuously check in with yourself and keep modifying your food choices until you find the right balance of fats, healthy carbs and protein for you.

Nutritional typing is a way to determine what YOUR customized diet is, and it is not even a one-size-fits-all within each nutritional grouping.

If you take nutritional typing seriously, its guidelines will help you modify your food intake until you find the right balance; the optimal ratio of fats, carbs and protein, and the optimal foods within each of those three nutrient groups.

How You Cook Your Meat Matters

Just as a vegetarian diet is not healthy for everyone, eating meat is not healthy across the board either.

As I already mentioned, there are a number of factors that influence the quality and hence, the health benefits, of the meat you eat, such as:

Whether or not it’s organic (conventional meat is loaded with pesticides, hormones, antibiotics and other chemicals)
Whether or not it’s grass-fed (essential for healthy meat)
Whether or not it contains nitrates, preservatives linked to cancer (processed meats have virtually no redeeming health value)
How the meat is cooked
Any time you cook meat at high temperatures, whether you’re grilling, frying, or broiling, some pretty dangerous chemicals are created, including:

Heterocyclic Amines (HCAs): These form when food is cooked at high temperatures, and they’re linked to cancer. In terms of HCA, the worst part of the meat is the blackened section, which is why you should always avoid charring your meat, and never eat blackened sections.
Polycyclic Aromatic Hydrocarbons (PAHs): When fat drips onto the heat source, causing excess smoke, and the smoke surrounds your food, it can transfer cancer-causing PAHs to the meat.
Advanced Glycation End Products (AGEs): When food is cooked at high temperatures (including when it is pasteurized or sterilized), it increases the formation of AGEs in your food. When you eat the food, it transfers the AGEs into your body. AGEs build up in your body over time leading to oxidative stress, inflammation and an increased risk of heart disease, diabetes and kidney disease.
In other words, even if you are a protein type who thrives on red meat, eating factory farmed, grain-feed beef that’s been charred to a crisp will NOT improve your health.

In order for meat to be its healthiest, it should be organic and grass-fed, and it should be cooked as little as possible. You can, for example, quickly sear the meat on both sides, leaving the inside quite rare. This gives the illusion that you’re eating cooked meat, with many of the benefits of raw.

Keep in mind that when it comes to parasites or other infections, the quality of the animal is of utmost importance. If you are consuming factory farmed animals that are fed and housed poorly, then disease-causing bacteria is certainly an issue.

But infections become far less likely if you are consuming meat from appropriately fed and humanely raised animals.

So, while there are many variables involved, the majority of people (likely about 60 percent or so) will feel their best when they include some healthy sources of lightly cooked or raw animal protein in their diet.

Final Thoughts

Ultimately, if you are honest with yourself and sincere in your quest to determine what diet is best for you, my recommendation is to abandon any previously held convictions you might have about diet and start listening to your body.

If your current diet allows you to function at the highest level of energy and fitness and you rarely feel hungry or crave sweets that is a fairly good sign that you are eating food appropriate for your nutritional type.

However if you are struggling with health challenges and have rigidly adhered to a diet that severely limits or avoids animal protein, because you believe you should or you are choosing it for ethical reasons then I would encourage you to consider changing your diet to include some animal proteins.

You can experiment for yourself and observe your reactions – both mental, physical and emotional -- but if you would like a systemized way to approach this process where you can record your results, then I would encourage you to take the FREE Nutritional Typing Test.

Just be honest with yourself and objectively evaluate your body's response. Your body is the most awesome instrument to make this important assessment.
 
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Tuesday 17 June 2008
One morning over breakfast, Holly Paige looked at her daughter and realised things weren't right. Lizzie should have been flourishing. Instead, her cheeks were pinched, she was small for her age, and although she had skinny arms and legs, her belly was big and swollen. When Lizzie smiled, Paige suddenly noticed her upper front teeth were pitted with holes.
"I was absolutely horrified," recalls Paige.
At the time, Paige was feeding them what she thought was the most nutritious diet possible. They had been raw vegans for three years, and ate plenty of fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds, grains, soya and pulses, but no meat, fish or dairy. According to the raw-food doctrine, Lizzie and Bertie, then three and four-and-a-half, should have been brimming with good health. But Paige's mothering instinct was on the alert.
"I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't put a finger on it," says Paige, 45. "They were two sizes behind in clothes. Of course, children come in all different shapes and sizes, but their growth seemed to be slowing further. I have two older children so I had their development to measure Lizzie and Bertie's against."
There were other oddities: "I remember going to the supermarket and buying butter for my older children. Lizzie, who had never had butter in her life, would grab the packet and gnaw into it," says Paige. "It was really disconcerting. I would be thinking, 'What is going on? Here is this purely fed child – why would she need to do this?' I was so brainwashed into thinking dairy products are bad for you."
When she took Lizzie and Bertie to her health visitor, she didn't seem too concerned. "She said they were in the low percentile, but thought they were OK," says Paige. "Yet I knew the children weren't growing. I could sense that there was something wrong. It felt wrong."
Finally, Paige stumbled across the answer in an old vitamin book. Although she has no medical confirmation, she believes the family had symptoms of vitamin D- and protein-deficiency. "I felt like such an idiot. I got the information from a book I'd had sitting around on my shelf for 20 years."
The discovery brought a swift end to her experience of veganism. In Totnes, where she lives, Paige knows many other raw vegans who have a nature-loving lifestyle. But despite taking a daily supplement that included vitamin D and B12, she and the children were suffering. Today, the family still mainly has a raw diet, but Paigeincludes butter, cheese, eggs and occasionally fish. "I had let malnutrition in through the back door in the name of health," says Paige. "It was ridiculous."
There is a significant difference between being vegan (and eating cooked foods) and raw vegan. Vegans benefit from fortified cereals, baked goods and a wider variety of grains and pulses; what's more, cooking aids the absorption of some micronutrients. But Lisa Miles, from the British Nutrition Foundation, says: "The most dramatic change to the diet is being vegan rather than the raw element, because you are cutting out two huge food groups. This affects vitamin D and protein."
Last week, strict diets for children were questioned after a 12-year-old vegan girl was admitted to a Scottish hospital with rickets. Her spine was said to resemble that of an 80-year-old woman.
Rickets is a degenerative bone condition that can lead to curvature of the spine and bone fractures. It is caused by a lack of vitamin D, usually found in oily fish, eggs, butter and made by our bodies from sunshine – although in the UK the sun is only strong enough to do this between April and September. It's a disease you might more commonly associate with the Dickensian character, Tiny Tim.
Many dieticians believe it is possible to bring up a healthy vegan child. "You can do it, but you do have to make sure you know what you are doing, especially in regards to weight," says Jackie Lowdon from the British Dietician Association. "As with any self-restricting diet, you need to get proper professional advice."
The Vegan Society, unsurprisingly, claim that the diet is suitable for all stages of life, and have an army of strapping, healthy adults brought up as vegans from birth who are happy to talk to the media. They also publish a book with dietary advice on feeding vegan children, written by dietician Sandra Hood. A spokeswoman, however, says they would not recommend a raw vegan diet for children.
Nigel Denby, a dietician and author of Nutrition for Dummies, says: "It can be hard enough bringing a child up to eat healthily, but with a vegan diet you are really making a difficult job for yourself. It is absolutely not something that should be tried without support from a dietician."
Several factors, says Denby, make a vegan diet for small children more difficult. With a restricted range of foods, if children turn their nose up at one particular food, you could be stuck for choice. "With smaller appetites and portion sizes, children under five have higher nutrient requirements than adults. Therefore, every mealtime has to be an opportunity to feed them high-nutrient-based foods."
Care must be taken with certain nutrients. "Haem iron, found in meat, is easier for the body to absorb," explains Denby. "Non-haem iron, which is just as good, is found in leafy vegetables and fortified cereals, but you have to eat a greater amount to get the same amount of iron."
Paige now believes that her children were craving dairy products. "It was confusing because for the first year I felt good, calm and content, and had plenty of energy. The children didn't have childhood sicknesses. But something seemed to be missing. We were always picking between meals, always obsessed by food."
Paige believes long-term breastfeeding helped sustain Lizzie and Bertie, but the toll of veganism on her own health was dramatic: "It was the third year when my body started disintegrating, frighteningly fast. I was getting thin, losing muscle and I was going to bed at half nine." She would also have "mad" binges, and eat nothing but rice cakes and butter.
The last straw came when Paige's eldest son Bruce came to stay. He asked her to buy chicken, and Paige ended up eating half of it. After that, she couldn't stop. "I just went wild. Typically, in a day I would eat half a chicken, two litres of milk, half a pound of cheese and three eggs. I just had to do it. It went on for weeks. The children were having lots of boiled eggs and cheese."
Paige, who now runs an online magazine and raw food shop, says her biggest lesson is never to be too restrictive again. "For a lot of people, there is something about these various nutrients in the animal form that we can assimilate. I don't know why, but experience shows a lot of us can't get enough protein on a vegan diet."
Now when Paige looks at her two youngest, now seven and eight she is certain they are thriving. "There was a moment when I was worried damage had been done for life," she says. "Now, I'm confident they are doing well. Even though they eat as much fruit and dried fruit as before, their teeth haven't had one bit more decay."
And nowadays, it's their growth that's the big talking point. "The first thing anyone says when they visit is: 'My, haven't they grown?'"
Nutrients that everyone needs
B12
Because this vitamin is mainly found in meat, dairy products and eggs, vegans must get it from other sources such as supplements, fortified breakfast cereals and Marmite. Deficiency can lead to irreversible nervous system damage.
Vitamin D
Our skins make vitamin D when exposed to the sun's ultraviolet rays. But with desk-bound jobs, long winters and unpredictable weather, it is not always possible to get enough. Vitamin D is crucial for bone growth in children, and deficiency can result in rickets. Oily fish is one of the best dietary sources, but vegans can obtain it from fortified breakfast cereals and margarine. People living in Scotland may need to take greater care over vitamin D, as may people from cultures that require them to cover up.
Calcium
Found in dairy products, this is essential for strong bones. It is often lacking in a vegan diet unless taken as supplement.
Iron
Without sufficient iron, vegans and vegetarians can become anaemic. Deficiency can also delay growth in toddlers. Iron is commonly found in meat, but vegetarians can source iron from pulses and leafy green vegetables.
Calories
Although childhood obesity is an issue today, not enough calories can mean children don't grow properly. This can be a problem in high-fibre diets.
Protein
High-biological-value protein is found in meat, fish, eggs and dairy products. Low-biological-value protein is found in nuts, pulses and wholegrains. Separately, the latter don't contain all the essential amino acids, but do when combined correctly. Knowledge of which foods to mix together is therefore crucial.
 
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Damn your low fat diet: How a reformed vegan gorges on all the foods his granny enjoyed... and has never felt better
By JOHN NICHOLSON
UPDATED: 08:23 GMT, 23 February 2012
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As the kitchen filled with the smell of caramelised meat, my mouth watered in anticipation of the coming feast: a thick cut of tender steak, fried in butter and olive oil.
This was not a regular treat. In fact, for the previous 26 years I’d been a vegan, eschewing not just meat but all animal products.
My diet was an extreme version of the NHS Eat Well regime, which recommends lots of starchy foods and smaller quantities of saturated fats, cholesterol, sugar and red meat.

In 2010, John Nicholson decided to give up my supposedly healthy lifestyle and embrace good old-fashioned meat
According to government advice, I was doing everything right — and yet my health had never been worse. My weight had crept up over the years, until in 2008 I was 14½ stone — which is a lot of blubber for someone who is 5ft 10in — and was classified as clinically obese.
I waddled around, sweating and short of breath, battling extremely high cholesterol and suffering from chronic indigestion. I was always tired and needed to take naps every afternoon. I had constant headaches and swallowed paracetamol and sucked Rennies like they were sweets.
Worst of all, I had irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), which left me feeling as if I had lead weights in my gut. My belly was bloated and distended after every meal. I was, to use a technical term, knackered.
But that was about to change. In 2010, I decided to give up my supposedly healthy lifestyle and embrace good old-fashioned meat.
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Re: Six Reasons Why Vegetarian Diet is so Good

The benefit is that you are eliminating toxins such as what you get in processed foods. Being pure vegan is more than a challenge, it is virtually impossible to be healthy on that diet. Humans make hydrochloric acid in our stomachs, like all meat eaters. Plant eating animals do NOT make hydrochloric acid in their primary stomachs and can digest dead grass and survive just fine. We are designed to eat meat as our primary food source for many reasons. In order to digest calcium, magnesium, and zinc that is absorbed in the jejunum of humans, the pH of the stomach must be low. As we age, we produce less and less HCL. Meat triggers HCL production. ALL vegetables & fruits are carbohydrates and contain very little fat. Carbs are like the kindling that starts the fire and FATS are like the big logs that give long sustained energy. The vegan diet requires you eat lots of meals during the day to sustain good blood sugar levels. When a person goes on a vegan diet, they feel energy and feel better basically due to the elimination of toxins, but after a year or two the deficiencies begin to show up and as a person ages, the deficiencies take their toll. By the time we reach 70 years old, we are producing about 5% of the HCL we did at 25 years old.

It is NOT true that vegetarians live longer. If you look at the world statistics as of Feb. 2010, you will see that India, that is primarily vegetarian has a life expectancy of 66.1 years old. Whereas Macau, China has a life expectancy of 84.4 years old, the longest in the world. The people in Macau eat meat and lots of it. They cook their food, but do eat raw dairy products and their animals are fed grass, their natural diet. They do not follow the typical Chinese diet, but their diet consists of about 4 different cultures. They practice Chinese medicine, not the allopathic, drug pushing garbage Americans are forced to use.

There is a lot of misinformation and indoctrination going on about food choices these days. Most of it is motivated by profit, not real health. I know, personally, a fella that owns a vegan restaurant that orders raw (grass fed) cows liver once per month and eats it for his health. He certainly does not tell his customers.

good luck to you
 
Re: Eating meat is bad for you

I think we need to ask tony if he's suffering from malnutriention in future. Heard he's been exercising a lot to cut down weight I think so maybe the vegan diet would help him lose the weight
 
Re: Eating meat is bad for you

The problem is with mass production factory farms. Try eating free-range happy animals and you will be happy.

If people eat animals which live in artificial environment,grow up on hormones and kept alive with antibolics - they will fall sick.
 
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