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how will LTK respond to PM latest statament?
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This is how Vivian can avoid be personally responsible for his remark ...."Dr Balakrishnan's statement in Parliament was not just his personal opinion, the Prime Minister said, but the government's official position which the Cabinet had approved." Now we know why he dare to waive Parliamentary Privilege.
If this goes to a lawsuit ...the judge will be able to side with the government.
The WP should come out with a strong response and work the grounds to get their message out. The message is simple - NEA screwed up and tried to pin the blame on WP TC. The minister's record speaks for itself - overspending on YOG, unable to deal with dengue, unable to deal with haze, bashing the poor.
If this goes to a lawsuit ...the judge will be able to side with the government.
The WP should come out with a strong response and work the grounds to get their message out. The message is simple - NEA screwed up and tried to pin the blame on WP TC. The minister's record speaks for itself - overspending on YOG, unable to deal with dengue, unable to deal with haze, bashing the poor.
This storm in a teacup serves to remind us why we must have a strong opposition and more opposition MP's in Parliament. Its easy for them to take on and fix only a handful of opposition MP's .If the numbers were to be say 30 or 40 out of 87, they will be too busy answering to the people's representatives and kept on their toes earning their keeps.
It also reveals the NMPs for what they are-ineffectual and waste of public resources.
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WP is absolutely right to stand firm and declare its confidence in its own investigation and refuse to dance to the PAPzis tune. Agreeing to investigate and / or sue when kurang aja VB called on WP to investigate and / or sue would have been akin to giving in to blackmail and hoping that the blackmailer would not repeat the crime later. It would have just got worse.
WP's current position is deeply frustrating to the PAPzis because it has forced the PAPzis into a corner and the PAPzis would have to do something stupid (like charge / arrest / sue WP MPs) to have a hope of extricating themselves in the eyes of all but their most naive supporters. But the negative consequences of such actions would be far greater than positive ones.
Also, all this is happening midterm - will anyone remember this come the next elections? Unless, of course, elections are going to be called sooner - perhaps just after the impending state funeral for LKY when LHL would hope for a wave of sympathy for himself and nostalgia for the PAPzis, and this might just help them to stay in power.
WP's current position is deeply frustrating to the PAPzis because it has forced the PAPzis into a corner and the PAPzis would have to do something stupid (like charge / arrest / sue WP MPs) to have a hope of extricating themselves in the eyes of all but their most naive supporters. But the negative consequences of such actions would be far greater than positive ones.
Also, all this is happening midterm - will anyone remember this come the next elections? Unless, of course, elections are going to be called sooner - perhaps just after the impending state funeral for LKY when LHL would hope for a wave of sympathy for himself and nostalgia for the PAPzis, and this might just help them to stay in power.
Just let those hawkers decide.. will do
Girl name MP Vivian talk so much for nothing. He should throw in a challenge to a By Election of his GRC against WP to let the voters decide.
Even better LHL join in to test his popularity as PM for Singapore.
Even better LHL join in to test his popularity as PM for Singapore.
The duty of a co-driver is not only to slap the driver when fallen asleep, but also to self-slap and do some soul searching. Sylvia was doing so badly in the faceoff with Bala that she had made him look so impressive. And her constipation facial expression is equally priceless.
WP should just apologise. It is clear that WP town council's appointed contractor had approached the hawkers for payment. When no payment was made, the cleaning over the closure of 5 days was completed in just half a day. Hawkers returned to find out that the high area has not been clean. Out of 40 hawkers, 36 signed petition to demand for compensation over loss of income and not to forget they have to pay for rental despite the closure. LTK was a joke when he was trying to play around with words like spring cleaning and annual cleaning. Does he not yet know there can only be 1 spring in a year and not 4?
I am sure politicians proclaiming from the First world parliament should do and must do alot better. Let's stop playing with words and get back to do some real work.
WP should just apologise. It is clear that WP town council's appointed contractor had approached the hawkers for payment. When no payment was made, the cleaning over the closure of 5 days was completed in just half a day. Hawkers returned to find out that the high area has not been clean. Out of 40 hawkers, 36 signed petition to demand for compensation over loss of income and not to forget they have to pay for rental despite the closure. LTK was a joke when he was trying to play around with words like spring cleaning and annual cleaning. Does he not yet know there can only be 1 spring in a year and not 4?
I am sure politicians proclaiming from the First world parliament should do and must do alot better. Let's stop playing with words and get back to do some real work.
well... a couple of year ago, we have this inter-ministerial barb betw NEA and AVA. obviously one would attribute the increase of mynah/ pigeons/ crows plying at hawker centers and it continue to exist, as a problem created by poor house keeping. Yet NEA has the cheek to shaft it to AVA saying that aviary does not come under their care and therefore no need to do anything.
http://news.insing.com/tabloid/so-who-s-in-charge-of-the-mynahs/id-b9233f00
considered 4 fatalities from increased dengue cases this year. cleaning at high level at just one hawker center is not even an issue. housekeeping at hawker centers continue to have that massive room for improvement.
let those who have not sinned cast the first stone.
http://news.insing.com/tabloid/so-who-s-in-charge-of-the-mynahs/id-b9233f00
considered 4 fatalities from increased dengue cases this year. cleaning at high level at just one hawker center is not even an issue. housekeeping at hawker centers continue to have that massive room for improvement.
let those who have not sinned cast the first stone.
There are missing links in all the comms. PAP seized on that to stir up shit. WP itself was ambiguous. The two camps are like two steamers in the dark, passing each other; or like two boxers fighting in different boxing rings. Both sides were right, but on different subjects. Both sides insisted they had done the proper thing, but it was not the same proper thing.
NEA (read VB) started it all by an unnecessary reminder (maybe to preempt and start the shit rolling) to hawkers when annual cleaning is due, they have to erect high scaffolding to clean the high ceiling areas. WP's man Tai said - but without being too clear - that TCs will pay only if its quarterly spring cleaning sessions coincide with an annual one, otherwise the hawkers will have to pay. WP's TC went on to do their spring cleaning so did not clean high areas and scaffolding was not needed. Hawkers expected high areas to be cleaned probably becos NEA initiated the idea and reminder, and that's where the source of confusion.
Big guns from both sides came out to defend their own ambiguities and played football with the payment issue and non-performance of tasks. VB tried to be too clever by half in trying to nail LTK instead of taking responsibility for NEA's mischievous reminder, and Pinky made it worse for defending PAP at all costs. LTK was truthful when he said that everything that is there to be read is out there and refused to be drawn into a trap on integrity.
Actually, at the end of the day, who lacks integrity? The Minister in charge of NEA who started shit rolling or the victim who fell into the trap? You judge.
NEA (read VB) started it all by an unnecessary reminder (maybe to preempt and start the shit rolling) to hawkers when annual cleaning is due, they have to erect high scaffolding to clean the high ceiling areas. WP's man Tai said - but without being too clear - that TCs will pay only if its quarterly spring cleaning sessions coincide with an annual one, otherwise the hawkers will have to pay. WP's TC went on to do their spring cleaning so did not clean high areas and scaffolding was not needed. Hawkers expected high areas to be cleaned probably becos NEA initiated the idea and reminder, and that's where the source of confusion.
Big guns from both sides came out to defend their own ambiguities and played football with the payment issue and non-performance of tasks. VB tried to be too clever by half in trying to nail LTK instead of taking responsibility for NEA's mischievous reminder, and Pinky made it worse for defending PAP at all costs. LTK was truthful when he said that everything that is there to be read is out there and refused to be drawn into a trap on integrity.
Actually, at the end of the day, who lacks integrity? The Minister in charge of NEA who started shit rolling or the victim who fell into the trap? You judge.
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hahaha...it is precisely scums like you that I looked down.....
after people decide and if it goes against You (opps parties), u start to pin labels on these people...stupid, ball-less, fucktards; etc..etc...
be gentleman lah...accept what the people decides and work harder lah....
The words "spring cleaning" and "annual cleaning" were not inventions of WP but commonly used language where hc management is concerned. The first town councils in Singapore were PAP town councils, so it is more likely that these terms were used then. Even VB was using these terms and I won't accuse him of "playing with words" because it is relevant for him to point them out.
Annual cleaning involves the cleaning of ceilings, spring cleaning doesn't. I also do not know that spring cleaning is done once a year. NEA mandates annual cleaning including ceilings to be done once a year.
Not trying to act like a AHPETC spokeperson, but I think what Tai meant was that the contract was for 4 spring cleaning and 1 annual cleaning with one of the 4 spring cleanings tied up with annual cleaning. (The annual cleaning is the one where ceilings are cleaned.)
If hawkers wanted additional ceiling cleaning at one of the spring cleanings which did not fall on the annual cleaning, extra costs have to be incurred by someone, since there will be 2 ceiling cleaning that year. While all parties were mulling over this, an email from NEA to AHPETC came telling AHPETC that the hawkers have agreed to the extra costs. And that started the whole thing.
Haha..a naysayer and a complete moron, trying to comment on issues much larger than his comprehensive capacity.
Good job, kingrant. A succinct summary of the issues. Anyone who does not know what the fuss is all about need to read only kingrant wonderful post here.
From the people I talked to (including neutrals and some even PAP supporters), their views are that there was a confusion arising from the terms "spring cleaning" and "annual cleaning". It was a misunderstanding that's all and need not be turned into a political event. So the people do feel that the PAP is trying to make political capital out of this. The neutrals and naturally the opposition supporters said it had backlashed on the PAP. The PAP supporters said while they did score some political points, it does not amount to much as there was indeed some confusion caused by NEA reminder to the hawkers and WP town council in the people's minds.
My take on this issue is this. The whole thing is started by the Old Fart. He had warned Aljunied residents that they will live to repent but they ignored him, in fact rebuffed him. Never forget that the Old Fart is an extremely vindictive person with a track record of making people bankrupt or something untoward of those who dare step even on his most little toe. So when this misunderstanding arose, he pounced on the chance and told all his Ministers (who to him was a bunch of wimps especially when u have one with a girl's name) to turn it into a full assault on WP and take no prisoners. This is the reason why Ms Vivian was so garang in Parliament that day, knowing full well that the Old Fart himself is fully behind it. The next day, the Old Fart told his son "who sat conspicuously throughout" to come out and give full artillery support so as to finish the WP off. The Old Fart must have smiled as he had his revenge.
The sad thing for the Old Fart is that people are all tired of his political antics that belong to the 20th century. And this will yet be another episode that will further erode the PAP's majority in 2016. So for those who still wants to give PAP a chance to change, it's plain to see that the leopard will never change its spot. The PAP will never change.
I agree with almost everything you said here, except that LKY was behind it. If it were, PAP would be able to change around, say, the end of the year.
I think it's a habit, started by LKY, that is now hardwired into its DNA. When pushed hard enough, especially with AIM, haze and dengue, they know no other way out except vindictiveness and repression. The question now is whether we (Singaporeans) are hardwired to give in to that repression.
I think it's a habit, started by LKY, that is now hardwired into its DNA. When pushed hard enough, especially with AIM, haze and dengue, they know no other way out except vindictiveness and repression. The question now is whether we (Singaporeans) are hardwired to give in to that repression.
