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How the mighty have fallen, Wework and Masayoshi

hofmann

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Let this be a warning to our SWFs and all their funky VC like investments. It's hubris to think his investment in Jack Ma was anything more than sheer dumb luck, right time right place.

Masayoshi Son's WeWork troubles undermine his sharp reputation
It is easy to invest in tech unicorns but hard to make those investments pay off

Turns out, Adam Neumann is no Jack Ma.

A year ago, as SoftBank founder Masayoshi Son was raising his stake in WeWork owner The We Company, he called Neumann's office-sharing startup his "next Alibaba." That description was as heavy with meaning as it gets in Silicon Valley circles.

The $97 billion Vision Fund that Son established in late 2016 was predicated on a spectacular bet he had made on Ma. The $20 million Son handed the English teacher from Hangzhou in 2000 exploded into more than $50 billion of equity when Alibaba Group Holding listed in 2014.


This wins a lot of credit for Son's vision. Or was it dumb luck? This question is gaining renewed traction after WeWork's initial public offering was hurriedly postponed this week and as its value has evaporated. Skepticism is now rampant about the business model Neumann and his co-founders sold Son.

WeWork is just one of Son's recent stumbles. His stakes in ride-hailing business Uber, messaging service Slack and others are looking wobbly. So, potentially, is Son's reputation as the Warren Buffett of Japan.

It is odd that Son missed that WeWork is really a leveraged property investor, albeit with fancy offices with free-flowing coffee and beer, dressed up as a tech disrupter. Son piled nearly $11 billion into a company his team valued at $47 billion in January, but its market capitalization looked like it might be as low as $10 billion if its IPO went ahead.

Comparisons with Buffett do not stand up for long. Son seemed to view WeWork as a foundational investment in the same way that Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway sees General Re. This reinsurer provides steady income no matter where else Buffett is exposed.

Son toyed with replicating this dynamic and in early 2018 eyed a stake in Swiss Re to act as his own shock-absorber. He opted against it, upping his wager on WeWork instead.

This wins a lot of credit for Son's vision. Or was it dumb luck? This question is gaining renewed traction after WeWork's initial public offering was hurriedly postponed this week and as its value has evaporated. Skepticism is now rampant about the business model Neumann and his co-founders sold Son.

WeWork is just one of Son's recent stumbles. His stakes in ride-hailing business Uber, messaging service Slack and others are looking wobbly. So, potentially, is Son's reputation as the Warren Buffett of Japan.

It is odd that Son missed that WeWork is really a leveraged property investor, albeit with fancy offices with free-flowing coffee and beer, dressed up as a tech disrupter. Son piled nearly $11 billion into a company his team valued at $47 billion in January, but its market capitalization looked like it might be as low as $10 billion if its IPO went ahead.

Comparisons with Buffett do not stand up for long. Son seemed to view WeWork as a foundational investment in the same way that Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway sees General Re. This reinsurer provides steady income no matter where else Buffett is exposed.

Son toyed with replicating this dynamic and in early 2018 eyed a stake in Swiss Re to act as his own shock-absorber. He opted against it, upping his wager on WeWork instead.

The question is this: are we seeing fatal flaws in Son's investing strategy just as he is rolling out a second giant fund?

Two of the biggest investors in the original Vision Fund, for example, are reportedly re-evaluating whether to support the new one. The WeWork fiasco and Son reportedly being down $600 million on his Uber investment, given its low stock price, may be giving Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund and Abu Dhabi Mubadala Investment reason for pause.

Son, to his credit, has got Apple, Foxconn, Microsoft and other tech titans onboard. The absence of specific dollars amounts, though, makes you wonder if their role is more symbolic than pivotal.

Oddly, Son reportedly hopes to lend SoftBank employees as much as $20 billion so they can invest in Vision Fund 2. The scheme adds to questions about the gap between Son's ambitions and actual funding. All in, SoftBank plans to kick in about $38 billion. Kazakhstan's sovereign wealth fund will reportedly chip in an amount just shy of $3 billion.

Son can still make good, of course, but he suddenly confronts a trust deficit that requires more than spin to correct. Some entrepreneurs think in three-year intervals; Son has a 300-year vision. Perhaps, though, his investors can be excused for worrying that he is making it up day to day and is more concerned with gut feelings than grand plans.

That gut has Son believing he can find ready targets for another $100 billion of ammunition. First, though, he must assure markets that the first $100 billion was deployed wisely.

Son's scattershot venture-capital approach baffles many. Mystery surrounds how Son's bets on everything from microchips to indoor farms to investment banking to ride-sharing apps to office suppliers coalesce into a clear strategy for steady profits. His penchant for overpaying for startups around the globe cheers tech founders, but what about his investors?

Son may find new startups in artificial intelligence, renewable energy and robots. But he also needs some splashy unicorns of scale to preserve his Midas-touch reputation.

One option is to slow down. Son could telegraph plans to roll out Vision Fund 2 gradually, while shoring up returns on the first. He should take another page from the Buffett playbook: focus more on steady, reliable profits than finding shooting stars.

Son also might want to avoid risky corporate governance setups. In WeWork's case, Neumann, as founder, would have majority voting rights. That would give him too much power over the board as CEO, creating what shareholder activists call "key man risk."

Son could be a much pickier investor, too. He virtually commandeered the ride-sharing space with bets on Uber, Southeast Asia's Grab, China's Didi Chuxing and India's Ola. Time for a new area of focus?

Spending the next 300 days perfecting his investment strategy will pay off for Son for years to come. Maybe even 300.
 

nayr69sg

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These invest type people no use lah. They dont create anything. Just provide money. These are called bets.

You might as well say the guy who bought the Powerball and won how many hundred million a superb investor.

I take issue with buffet because again he has created no product or service of any value with his work. His work is just about placing money in right spots to make more money. If the world had more Warren buffets we would not have any innovation whatsoever
 

hofmann

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These invest type people no use lah. They dont create anything. Just provide money. These are called bets.

You might as well say the guy who bought the Powerball and won how many hundred million a superb investor.

I take issue with buffet because again he has created no product or service of any value with his work. His work is just about placing money in right spots to make more money. If the world had more Warren buffets we would not have any innovation whatsoever

It's about track record. Investors do play a crucial role in the economy. The taxi Monopoly wouldn't have been broken without Uber. Food delivery services brought jobs and convenience.

But it's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff. And masayoshi has lost much credibility as a sorter of wheat. Hubris. It always gets to their head. Jack Ma too, village idiot masquerading as some guru.
 

nightsafari

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It's about track record. Investors do play a crucial role in the economy. The taxi Monopoly wouldn't have been broken without Uber. Food delivery services brought jobs and convenience.

But it's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff. And masayoshi has lost much credibility as a sorter of wheat. Hubris. It always gets to their head. Jack Ma too, village idiot masquerading as some guru.
i don't disagree with your statement about jack ma. however, the guy had tremendous energy and drive to get alibaba up and running in the early days. gotta give it to him for determination.
 

hofmann

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i don't disagree with your statement about jack ma. however, the guy had tremendous energy and drive to get alibaba up and running in the early days. gotta give it to him for determination.

Yes credit given to his hard work. But honestly, in typical Chinese fashion, he just copied Amazon and got lucky. Its hubris of him to think he suddenly became a genius coz he had a billion bucks in his pocket. His comments left Elon (real genius who works way too hard) flabbergasted during their chat.
 

hofmann

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Another genius. So many things have tanked but no business investment is best.

The business model of wework has been roundly criticized by industry experts. If masayoshi had bothered to take counsel from them, he wouldnt have dug himself into this grave. Maybe he fell in love with the free coffee and doughnuts the neumanns offered at their new cutting edge premises :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

nightsafari

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Yes credit given to his hard work. But honestly, in typical Chinese fashion, he just copied Amazon and got lucky. Its hubris of him to think he suddenly became a genius coz he had a billion bucks in his pocket. His comments left Elon (real genius who works way too hard) flabbergasted during their chat.
you like elon ah?

I shorted tesla a while back leh... don't :mad:

:laugh:
 

syed putra

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These invest type people no use lah. They dont create anything. Just provide money. These are called bets.

You might as well say the guy who bought the Powerball and won how many hundred million a superb investor.

I take issue with buffet because again he has created no product or service of any value with his work. His work is just about placing money in right spots to make more money. If the world had more Warren buffets we would not have any innovation whatsoever
Didn't he make his money from softbank, whatever that is. And scared the shit of citibank and other wall street banks who were forced to meet microsoft bill gates to get its word he will venture into internet banking?
 
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