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How China Cooks Its Books
BY JORDAN CALINOFF | SEPTEMBER 3, 2009

It's an open secret that China has doctored its economic and financial statistics since the time of Mao. But could it all go south now?


In February, local Chinese Labor Ministry officials came to "help" with massive layoffs at an electronics factory in Guangdong province, China. The owner of the factory felt nervous having government officials there, but kept his mouth shut. Who was he to complain that the officials were breaking the law by interfering with the firings, he added. They were the law! And they ordered him to offer his workers what seemed like a pretty good deal: Accept the layoff and receive the legal severance package, or "resign" and get an even larger upfront payment.

"I would estimate around 70 percent of workers took the resignation deal. This is happening all over Guangdong," the factory owner said. "I help the Department of Labor, and they'll help me later on down the line."

Such open-secret programs, writ large, help China manipulate its unemployment rate, because workers who "resign" don't count toward that number. The government estimates that roughly 20 million migrant factory workers have lost their jobs since the downturn started.

But, with "resignations" included, the number is likely closer to 40 million or 50 million, according to estimates made by Yiping Huang, chief Asia economist for Citigroup.

That is the same size as Germany's entire work force.

China similarly distorts everything from its GDP to retail sales figures to production activity. This sort of number-padding isn't just unethical, it's also dangerous: The push to develop rosy economic data could actually lead China's economy over the cliff.

Western media outlets often portray Chinese book-cooking as part and parcel of a monolithic central government and omnipotent Beijing bureaucrats. But the problem is manifold, a product of centralized government as well as decentralized officials.

Pressure to distort or fudge statistics likely comes from up high -- and it's intense. "China announces its annual objective of GDP growth rate each year. In Chinese culture, the government has to reach the objective; otherwise, they will 'lose face,'" said Gary Liu, deputy director of the China Europe International Business School's Lujiazui International Financial Research Center. "For instance, the government announced that it wanted to ensure a GDP growth rate of 8 percent in 2009, and it has become the priority for government officials to meet that objective."

But local and provincial governmental officials are the ones who actually fiddle with the numbers. They retain considerable autonomy and power, and have a self-interested reason to manipulate economic statistics. When they reach or exceed the central government's economic goals, they get rewarded with better jobs or more money. "The higher [their] GDP [figures], the higher the chance will be for local officials to get promoted," explained Liu.

Such statistical creativity is nothing new in China. In 1958, Chairman Mao proclaimed that China would surpass Britain in steel production within 15 years. He mobilized villages throughout China to establish backyard steel furnaces, where in a futile attempt to reach outrageous production goals, villagers could melt down pots and pans and even burn their own furniture for furnace fuel. This effort produced worthless pig iron and diverted enough labor away from agriculture to be a main driver in the devastating famine of the Great Leap Forward.

Last October, Vice Premier Li Keqiang said in a speech after inspecting China's Statistics Bureau, "China's foundation for statistics is still very weak, and the quality of statistics is to be further improved" -- a brutally harsh assessment coming from a top state official.

Indeed, China has predicated its very claim of being the healthiest large economy in the world on faulty statistics. The government insists that even though China's all-important export sector has been devastated -- contracting about 25 percent in the past year -- a massive uptick in domestic consumption has kept factories producing and growth churning along. A close examination of retail sales and GDP growth, however, tells a different story.

China's domestic retail sales have risen about 15 percent year on year, but that does not really translate into Chinese consumers purchasing 15 percent more televisions and T-shirts. The country tabulates sales when a factory ships units to a retailer, meaning China includes unused or warehoused inventory in its consumption data. There is ample evidence that state-owned enterprises buy goods from one another, simply shifting products back and forth, and that those transactions count as retail sales in national statistics.

China's retail statistics seem implausible for other reasons, too. They would imply an increase in salaries among Chinese people, allowing them to purchase that extra 15 percent. To be sure, the Statistics Bureau reported salaries had increased 12.9 percent in the first half of 2009. But Chinese netizens complained such numbers were hard to believe -- as did the bureau's chief.

A look at GDP growth also raises serious questions. China's economy grew at an annualized 6.1 percent rate in the first quarter, and 7.9 percent in the second. Yet electricity usage, a key indicator in industrial growth and a harder metric to manipulate, declined 2.2 percent in the first six months of the year. How could an economy largely dependent on manufacturing grow while its industrial sector shrank?

It couldn't; the numbers don't add up.

China announced a $600 billion stimulus package (equal to about 14 percent of GDP) last fall. At that point, local governments started counting the dedicated stimulus funds in GDP statistics -- before finding projects to use the funds, and therefore far before the trillions of yuan started trickling into the economy. Local governments keen to raise their growth and production numbers said they spent stimulus money while still deciding on what to spend it, one economist explained. Thus, China's provincial GDP tabulations add up to far more than the countrywide estimate.

Alternative macroeconomic metrics, such as the purchasing managers' index (PMI), which measures output, offer a no more accurate reflection. One private brokerage house, CLSA, compiles its own PMI, suggesting a sharp contraction in industrial output between December 2008 and March 2009. Beijing's PMI data, on the other hand, indicated that industrial output was expanding during that period.

Unfortunately, such obfuscation means China's real economic health is difficult to assess. Most indicators that would help an intrepid economist correct the government numbers -- progress on infrastructure projects, end-user purchases, and the number of "resigned" workers -- are not public.

For the long term, China is banking on its main export markets -- in the United States, Europe, and Japan -- recovering and starting to consume again. The hope is that in the meantime, rosy economic figures will placate the masses and stop unrest. But, if the rest of the world does not rebound, China risks the bursting of asset bubbles in property and stocks, declining domestic consumption, and rising unemployment.

That's when the Wile E. Coyote moment could happen.

Once Chinese citizens no longer believe that the economy is doing well, social unrest and more widespread worker riots -- already increasing in scope and severity -- are likely. That's something that China will have a harder time hiding. And then we'll know whether China's statistical manipulation was a smart move or a disastrous mistake.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articl...ts_books?print=yes&hidecomments=yes&page=full
 
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Its pretty much an open secret that trade figures and the flow of money between singapore and Indonesia has been doctored for last few decades. The Indonesia govt has on numeorus occasions have raised this as an issue for high level discussion.

PSA staff will also tell you that containers would travel between the 2 countries with stuffings and no goods. The stuffings will be done in the open in PSA yards.
 
Pinkertons, wake up

This week is Lehman anniversary week

Western banks screwed the whole world

China is lifting world out of recession

There are many complainers and whiners here in sammyboy - mainly because they backed the wrong horse - they worshipped white man, hanker after iphone - because they are ah guas

Me- I am happy and fulfilled - because I know China is king.
I use HTC phone and drive Geely. Anything American I siam

Yet stupid Singaporeans love to kowtow to American that betrayed them and destroyed their wealth. 4,600 grads applied for job with the loser Citibank that destroyed so many people. No wonder our future is doomed, with these idiot youngsters. Parents of these people must feel damn ashamed

It is not too late, join me and my Chinese friends to build a stronger future.
 
Its pretty much an open secret that trade figures and the flow of money between singapore and Indonesia has been doctored for last few decades. The Indonesia govt has on numeorus occasions have raised this as an issue for high level discussion.

PSA staff will also tell you that containers would travel between the 2 countries with stuffings and no goods. The stuffings will be done in the open in PSA yards.

I heard Japanese are doing the same.
 
I heard Japanese are doing the same.

The Japanese I once worked for, are very creative in 'cooking the books'...they either have the 'sahsami plate', the 'suishi plate', the 'teppanyaki plate' or the all in 'bento set'...

The cooked the books...until internal audit in Japan..can smell the 'aroma'...and came to syonan-to, to catch the, zen samurais cooks ( crooks) in the office..

Amazingly the Japanese copied the sinGAPORE DIEASE, those caught, went back to Tokyo, collect the same salary...and still doing the job...( just like Mas Selamt Kastari friend).

This is a real life experinece...you think the Chinese are good at cooking the books....you do not know the Nipponese!!:p
 
it is that all countries do it..

do u think the US doesnot..

after the big banks lost billions..jus a year back.. the americans are repeatedly saying that the economy is recovering bull shit... as if nothing has happened..
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The Japanese I once worked for, are very creative in 'cooking the books'...they either have the 'sahsami plate', the 'suishi plate', the 'teppanyaki plate' or the all in 'bento set'...

The cooked the books...until internal audit in Japan..can smell the 'aroma'...and came to syonan-to, to catch the, zen samurais cooks ( crooks) in the office..

Amazingly the Japanese copied the sinGAPORE DIEASE, those caught, went back to Tokyo, collect the same salary...and still doing the job...( just like Mas Selamt Kastari friend).

This is a real life experinece...you think the Chinese are good at cooking the books....you do not know the Nipponese!!:p


There is a big difference when a company cooks its books and an entire nation does the same.

The company has to answer to the authorities when caught. Its directors can end up in jail. Eg: Madoff..

But when a nation fudge its economic figures, its leaders go scot free regardless of how serious the crime or the consequences on the people.
 
President Bush, Henry Paulson, Ben Bernanke got go to jail?

Another Pinkerton shithead!
 
Goflykite - here is some more main stream reports - bloomberg sept 12 2009.

I have no doubt there is some percentage of "cooking the books". But there is a lot of real progress. Every trip that I make to Shanghai, I am amazed at the progress. Accounting distortions are at best timing distortions.

After awhile it all collapses. What I have seen is closed to 2 Trillion in reserves, large part of it US Treasury (Grade AAA) - yes the money is there.

I have seen the excellent infra, seen people's lives improving. On the consumer side, I have seen many products made in China that are used daily, from notebook to LCD TV, to clothing to Ipod, iphone. Was in Paris 2 months back, many things are now in Chinese, surplanting Japanese language. There must be a lot of affluent Chinese travelling for this chnage. Was at the main LV store in Paris - guess what, they even have Shanghainese speaking sales manager. They thought I was Chinese and was fussing over me. 2/3 of the store were Chinese shoppers and these shoppers buy 3 to 4 LV bags at a go and some were on the phone asking their friends what bag they want!!! All in Shanghainese.

So as much as there is bound to be some fudging of numbers, they would not have been able to fudge it so long, in so large a country. Timing have caught up with them. Article also kept looking at Chinese manuf as large part of GDP forgetting that its internal consumption forms a much larger portion of GDP. In this Bloomberg article GM projects that Chinese will buy more cars than USA!!!!!

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRt3zHQgMcZg

China’s Recovery Strengthens With Gains in Production, Sales

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By Bloomberg News

Sept. 12 (Bloomberg) -- China’s expansion strengthened in August as industrial production, lending and retail sales exceeded forecasts, reinforcing a global recovery from the deepest recession since World War II.

The Shanghai Composite Index climbed to a three-week high on yesterday’s reports, and yuan forwards posted their best week in more than five months. Premier Wen Jiabao’s $586 billion stimulus plan and a record $1.1 trillion of lending in the first half of this year have countered a 10-month slump in shipments abroad, helping Asia lead the world’s rebound.

“The closer you are to China the better off you are,” said Tim Condon, head of Asia research in Singapore at ING Groep NV and a former economist at the World Bank.

China’s factory output climbed 12.3 percent last month from a year earlier, the most since August 2008, the statistics bureau said yesterday. Retail sales rose 15.4 percent, the biggest gain this year after accounting for seasonal distortions. M2, the broadest measure of money supply, expanded by a record 28.53 percent. Exports fell for a 10th month.

Wen pledged Sept. 10 to sustain stimulus measures to secure the recovery, saying the rebound “is unstable, unbalanced and not yet solid.” Speaking at a conference in the city of Dalian, he said “we cannot and will not change the direction of our policies when the conditions aren’t appropriate.”

Twelve-month yuan forwards rose to 6.7350 per dollar as of 5:30 p.m. in Shanghai yesterday on speculation that a stronger recovery gives the central bank more room to resume appreciation of the currency.

Rising Loans

Shanghai’s stock index closed 2.2 percent higher yesterday, paring losses last month that were stoked by concern that a slowdown in new lending would damp growth. The index is still up 64 percent this year.

Local-currency new loans were 410.4 billion yuan ($60 billion) in August, up from 355.9 billion yuan in July, the central bank reported. Urban fixed-asset investment accelerated, climbing 33 percent in the eight months to Aug. 31 from a year earlier.

The reacceleration in credit growth may deepen concern among some observers at the danger of asset-price inflation. Bank of China Ltd. Vice President Zhu Min warned on Sept. 10 that liquidity may cause “bubbles in commodities, stocks and real estate.”

Export Slide

Trade data yesterday showed shipments abroad fell a more- than-estimated 23.4 percent in August from a year earlier, the biggest drop in three months. Exports rose a seasonally adjusted 3.4 percent from July.

“Policy will remain essentially on full throttle,” said Glenn Maguire, chief Asia-Pacific economist at Societe Generale SA in Hong Kong. “It was easy to jump-start the economy but to keep it on a positive trend will require a continuation of policy stimulus.”

China’s gross domestic product will expand 9.5 percent next year after an 8.3 percent gain in 2009, according to a Bloomberg survey of economists.

Surging auto sales and a rebound in property sales and investment are aiding the recovery.

Hyundai Motor Co., South Korea’s largest carmaker, said Sept. 10 that it will raise annual production capacity at its Chinese venture next year to 600,000 vehicles from 500,000. General Motors Co., the biggest overseas automaker in China, says the nation’s vehicle sales may reach 12 million this year, surpassing the U.S. as the world’s No. 1 market.

Property Development

Investment in real-estate development grew 14.7 percent in the first eight months after an 11.6 percent gain in the first seven months, the statistics bureau said on Sept. 10. House prices in 70 cities rose 2 percent in August, the fastest gain in 11 months.

“Policy stimulus is driving the recovery and China is poised to get more support from exports in coming months,” said Brian Jackson, Hong Kong-based senior strategist for emerging markets at Royal Bank of Canada. “That will give growth an extra push and allow policy makers to ease back on stimulus early next year.”

Exports to the U.S. fell 21.8 percent in August from a year earlier, the biggest slide since China’s shipments began to contract in November, according to Bloomberg News calculations. Exports to the European Union fell 26.6 percent.

“The biggest challenge now is how to guide monetary and credit policy to a prudent level without impacting the property and stock markets and the economic recovery,” said Isaac Meng, a senior economist at BNP Paribas SA in Beijing.




How China Cooks Its Books
BY JORDAN CALINOFF | SEPTEMBER 3, 2009

It's an open secret that China has doctored its economic and financial statistics since the time of Mao. But could it all go south now?


In February, local Chinese Labor Ministry officials came to "help" with massive layoffs at an electronics factory in Guangdong province, China. The owner of the factory felt nervous having government officials there, but kept his mouth shut. Who was he to complain that the officials were breaking the law by interfering with the firings, he added. They were the law! And they ordered him to offer his workers what seemed like a pretty good deal: Accept the layoff and receive the legal severance package, or "resign" and get an even larger upfront payment.

"I would estimate around 70 percent of workers took the resignation deal. This is happening all over Guangdong," the factory owner said. "I help the Department of Labor, and they'll help me later on down the line."

Such open-secret programs, writ large, help China manipulate its unemployment rate, because workers who "resign" don't count toward that number. The government estimates that roughly 20 million migrant factory workers have lost their jobs since the downturn started.

But, with "resignations" included, the number is likely closer to 40 million or 50 million, according to estimates made by Yiping Huang, chief Asia economist for Citigroup.

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What i see here are a bunch of Pinkerton losers, who on the anniversary of the global crisis caused by the Westerners, mainly the US, choose to attack China and divert attention from the sins of the white men. What a bunch of ah guas and SPGs
 
" ...I have seen the excellent infra, seen people's lives improving. On the consumer side, I have seen many products made in China that are used daily, from notebook to LCD TV, to clothing to Ipod, iphone. Was in Paris 2 months back, many things are now in Chinese, surplanting Japanese language. There must be a lot of affluent Chinese travelling for this chnage. Was at the main LV store in Paris - guess what, they even have Shanghainese speaking sales manager. They thought I was Chinese and was fussing over me. 2/3 of the store were Chinese shoppers and these shoppers buy 3 to 4 LV bags at a go and some were on the phone asking their friends what bag they want!!! All in Shanghainese...."

hmmm....
How does your description of the displayed wealth / affluence of some individuals ( which BTW is common is all societies ) - prove or substantiate that China's official economic statistics are true and above board.?


"...Accounting distortions are at best timing distortions.
After awhile it all collapses. What I have seen is closed to 2 Trillion in reserves, large part of it US Treasury (Grade AAA) - yes the money is there..."


hmmm...Interesting..
how is this possible.?..for a private individual to gain access to the US treasury books to verify this detail of 2 trillion USD reserves.?
 
Now now, let us investigate how US and Europe cook their books domestically shall we? We are 100% confident that the fruits from the labor of investigative journalists would surely be more bountiful.
 
Idoit will tell you that it is import and Export of stuffings.

Its pretty much an open secret that trade figures and the flow of money between singapore and Indonesia has been doctored for last few decades. The Indonesia govt has on numeorus occasions have raised this as an issue for high level discussion.

PSA staff will also tell you that containers would travel between the 2 countries with stuffings and no goods. The stuffings will be done in the open in PSA yards.[/QUOTE]
 
Now now, let us investigate how US and Europe cook their books domestically shall we? We are 100% confident that the fruits from the labor of investigative journalists would surely be more bountiful.

What is there to investigate.?

The USA and Europe are actually mired in recession and
high unemployment..by their own admission and official
public statistics.

They are not pro-claiming 8 % economic growth rates !
 
Why is this post in this thread? It's out of point and repetitious. It should belong to the rubbish heap.

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Bro, sorrie for that. I think she doesnt understand or watsover... Try again bro.

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i was early n boy, booked e rm but still gotta wait 15mins for it to b available. anyway, to cut e story short, after entering e rm i sms TxXx n she arrived promptly, about 5mins later.

i shan't go into details of our frolics as they're pretty SOP.. but i'm impressed wif her great attitude n friendliness. n e way she enjoyed my painting her pussy reali turned me on

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Face: 7.5/10 to 8.5/10
Body/ Fig/ Complexion: Slim, smooth skin, tummy undetected.
Boobs: 7.5/10 to 7/10 (juz nice for me, but mayb a little tiny for boob lovers)
BBBJ: 7/10 (paid attention during e job but duration abit short)
Cat bath: er... watz dat?? haha...
FJ: 8.5/10 (coz i turned her on wif my tongue painting le, so she was kinda like desiring for it)
Massage: Nil
Attitude: 9/10 (frenly, great gf feeling, a nice gal to chat with and kiss gd bye to)
Damage: 150 (x-rm, x-cd)
RTF: Nodz

overall, she's a v nice gal albeit abit pricey. but like i said, it all depends on wat u lookin for. for me i go look for bong abt once a mth, so e price is ok for me if it comes wif quality - n i rate her as 1 of my bst bonking sexperience

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It is hard to tell if any country's books are cooked from within. After all 6 months before Wall Street meltdown US was envy of the world. So the best way is to look from outside.

In China or any country's financial performance best way to acertain its financial performance is to see the counterparty's figures.

If US exports $500B to China and yet US is reporting a $500B trade deficit with China then it must mean that China is exporting US$1 aTrillion to the US. We are using US figures here so no cooking of books. And if indeed the Chinese are running a huge trade surplus then it is good for its economy.

Reserves - If US treasury says that China is holding 1 Trillion in US treasuries then indeed the Chinese have quite a bit of financial firepower at hand. These are US figures.

As for my example on LV purses - well if LV, Mercedes, BMW, Cartier, Rolex are opening boutiques all over China then it must mean that according to them as per free market, there is enough China consumer demand for such products. After all LV will not open a shop in Urumqi if Urumqi is not developed and if it does not have the consumers.
 
China doesn't need to "cook its books".
It will report whatever it wants, and all their individual citizens and all the great nations who borrow money from them or depend on them for trade will simply accept it.
 
If US exports $500B to China and yet US is reporting a $500B trade deficit with China then it must mean that China is exporting US$1 aTrillion to the US. We are using US figures here so no cooking of books. And if indeed the Chinese are running a huge trade surplus then it is good for its economy.

Reserves - If US treasury says that China is holding 1 Trillion in US treasuries then indeed the Chinese have quite a bit of financial firepower at hand. These are US figures.

Dear Longbow,

We are conditioned to think that big and huge trade surplus is good for a country. Actually, it is not. It is a twisted economic logic.

A country is very different from a business entity. If business has surplus, means it is making money. But if a country has surplus, it could mean more than that.

For example, if a country like Singapore or China which wanted to maintain relative stable foreign exchange rate, it would mean that for every dollar of surplus they have, they must increase the respective amount of their own currency in order to waive off the impact of this surplus on their foreign exchange rate.

What will happen is that the country will have increase in money supply within the economy ultimately if it doesn't spend the surplus. It will create internal inflation, especially asset bubbles.... stock market bubbles and property bubbles. This is exactly what happened in Japan back in the 1980s and 1990s.

It is definitely undesirable for the future generation of the people for them to suffer high property prices.

Goh Meng Seng
 
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