Facts regarding Influenza in Singapore

[Leongsam]

https://www.thefinder.com.sg/healthy-living/fitness/important-things-you-might-not-know-about-flu/

8 IMPORTANT Things You Might Not Know About The Flu In Singapore

What’s the difference between a cold and flu and just how serious is the flu?

19 July 2019

Read up on these facts to better protect yourself against this potentially deadly virus.

The month of May marks the start of the first flu season in Singapore. Flu, also known as influenza, is unpredictable and causes a significant burden globally each year, placing strain on healthcare systems and the economy.

Public-health authorities consider seasonal flu to be a serious public-health concern, not only causing severe illness and death, but also taking a considerable economic toll through lost workforce productivity and strained health services.

Each year, Singapore’s annual seasonal influenza epidemics result in more than 520,000 outpatient visits, approximately 1,500 hospitalisations, 600 deaths, and 315,000 work days lost, according to figures from the Ministry of Health (MOH).

Dr Ong Kian Chung, respiratory medicine specialist at Mount Elizabeth Medical Centre, shares some facts about the flu:

 

[Leongsam]

Mind you this article is pretty recent but far back enough not to be tainted by Covid-19 figures.

600 deaths per year divided by 12 is 50 deaths per month.

1500 hospitalisations is also a significant number and interestingly enough it is close to the number of Covid-19 hospitalisation cases we currently have ie about 1200.

So now let's use these figures to calculate the mortality rate for influenza USING THE SAME NUMERATOR AND DENOMINATOR THAT IS BEING USED FOR COVID-19.

600/1500 x 100% = 40%!!!!

I rest my case.

PS : I actually doubt these figures (way too high) but they come from a "doctor" so there must be some basis for these claims.

 

[Leongsam]

Oh I forgot to add that with the influenza figures the fact that there is already a vaccine out there makes the numbers even more scary. Imagine what the numbers would be if there was no vaccine available.

Remember to get your flu vaccine annually in fact twice a year would be even better as the immunity is short lived. Many estimates put the figure at 3 to 6 months Max

 

[sweetiepie]

Mind you this article is pretty recent but far back enough not to be tainted by Covid-19 figures.

600 deaths per year divided by 12 is 50 deaths per month.

1500 hospitalisations is also a significant number and interestingly enough it is close to the number of Covid-19 hospitalisation cases we currently have ie about 1200.

So now let's use these figures to calculate the mortality rate for influenza USING THE SAME NUMERATOR AND DENOMINATOR THAT IS BEING USED FOR COVID-19.

600/1500 x 100% = 40%!!!!

I rest my case.

KNN boss this will be more convincing if the data is published by MOH KNN

 

[Leongsam]

Here's the data for the last pandemic in Singapore. This was before twitter, facebook etc had become the mediums of choice to spread panic.


May 29th, 2010, 09:54 PM





Re: Flu epidemic imminent

Source: http://health.asiaone.com/Health/New...29-219117.html

Number of flu cases near epidemic levels

By Salma Khalik

IT IS epidemic season in Singapore: The number of cases of flu has gone through the roof.

Although this is a traditionally high season for influenza and colds - collectively called acute respiratory infection - the number of people with the sniffles has been at epidemic, or near-epidemic, levels for the past six weeks.

Last week, for instance, 18,420 people sought treatment for the flu at polyclinics alone - or about 4,000 more patients a week than the norm for this time of the year.

Private clinics are also seeing more patients with runny noses, fevers, aching bones and sore throats.

The Raffles Medical chain of more than 40 GP clinics has seen the number of such cases jump by about 20 per cent.

Doctors say many of their flu patients are exhibiting more severe symptoms.

Dr Chng Shih Kiat, deputy medical director at Raffles Medical, said: 'They tend to be more serious and prolonged, with complications such as sinusitis, resulting in antibiotics being prescribed.'

More worrying is the higher number of patients turning up with pneumonia, a more severe form of upper respiratory tract infection, he added.

Pneumonia is the third-biggest killer here - after cancer and heart disease - accounting for more than 2,000 deaths in 2008. No figures on fatalities for last year or numbers for this year are available.

Dr Leo Yee Sin, clinical director of the Communicable Disease Centre, said there is a definite increase in flu cases, and that many involve the pandemic H1N1 strain, which created a health scare worldwide last year, but eventually proved to be milder than originally thought.

According to Ministry of Health (MOH) figures, 29 per cent of patients here with flu-like symptoms last week had this bug.

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There has been one H1N1-related death this month. The victim was a 49-year-old Chinese man who died on May 15. The Singapore permanent resident had a history of hypertension, heart problems and diabetes.

His death brings the number of people who succumbed to H1N1 in Singapore to 26.

Another 111 severely ill patients survived after some time in a hospital intensive care unit.

People at the greatest risk of H1N1 are pregnant women and those with underlying medical problems such as asthma or diabetes, people who are very fat or have low immunity.

An MOH spokesman advised vaccinations, especially for people at higher risk of developing complications.

'Vaccination remains the most effective way to prevent influenza infection,' she said.

Those who want to get protection can visit a polyclinic and get the triple-strain seasonal flu vaccine being offered there for under $26.

The vaccine protects against H1N1 and the two other major circulating strains here - Influenza A (H3N2) and B.

The Health Promotion Board has been running a series of advertisements exhorting people to practice good hygiene to prevent the flu bug from spreading.

Meanwhile, another epidemic is also making the rounds here. Hand, foot and mouth disease (HFMD), a disease that mostly affects very young children, has reached almost epidemic levels over the past two weeks. Last week, there were 667 cases reported.

However, there is relief ahead.

Most schools will close for the mid-year holidays from tomorrow, and this will go some way towards breaking the transmission of the disease, since HFMD is often passed between young children in classrooms or childcare centres.

 

[Leongsam]

The link provided above is dead but I managed to dig up the info at https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum...-including-h1n1-pandemic-2009-ab/singapore-aa

The thread is at https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum...9-ab/singapore-aa/87831-singapore-moh-updates

 

[Leongsam]

Nobody demanded MASKS during H1N1 pandemic??? I wonder why.

No shutdowns in the USA? Perhaps it was because the President was a liberal BLACK (useless) idiot so nobody wanted to offend him. Yes I know that's my my conspiracy theory but who knows the real truth anymore.

 

[Papsmearer]

Oh I forgot to add that with the influenza figures the fact that there is already a vaccine out there makes the numbers even more scary. Imagine what the numbers would be if there was no vaccine available.

Remember to get your flu vaccine annually in fact twice a year would be even better as the immunity is short lived. Many estimates put the figure at 3 to 6 months Max

Geez, your gullibility and stupidity astounds me.

1) If you believe the govt numbers on flu deaths or covid deaths or any other kind of deaths in singapore, you are a moron. Deaths caused by flu directly is rare, but it exacerbates the patients underlying conditions and hence causes their death. Deaths from Complications due to flu should be in this number of 600, but is it? U and I don't know. If you add other deaths where flu was a contributing factor, it could be 6000 deaths per year.

2) The covid-19 numbers in singapore are 100% for sure understated. They have not tested all the workers in the dorms, or even mentioned the number of people tested. The number infected in singapore could be easily tripled what they say it is. The deaths could be 10 fold. The govt is keeping the critically ill covid patients hooked up to machines to keep them breathing. other countries would have long ago disconnected these no hope situations and let them die. But the PAP needs to keep the death numbers low.

3) U cannot lump flu and covid together. Flu is flu. You can get flu and also get covid. These are not related diseases. Its like ebola. U can get ebola and also covid. How many people flu kills has no bearing at all on how many people covid kills. Just like how many people cancer kills has no bearing on covid deaths. The difference between covid and other disease is that its arbitrarily. u can prevent yourself from getting aids by not having butt sex. U can prevent yourself from getting cancer by not smoking. But how do you 100% prevent yourself from getting covid? U can't. And that is why its frightening and correctly so.

 

[Leongsam]

Geez, your gullibility and stupidity astounds me.

1) If you believe the govt numbers on flu deaths or covid deaths or any other kind of deaths in singapore, you are a moron. Deaths caused by flu directly is rare, but it exacerbates the patients underlying conditions and hence causes their death. Deaths from Complications due to flu should be in this number of 600, but is it? U and I don't know. If you add other deaths where flu was a contributing factor, it could be 6000 deaths per year.

2) The covid-19 numbers in singapore are 100% for sure understated. They have not tested all the workers in the dorms, or even mentioned the number of people tested. The number infected in singapore could be easily tripled what they say it is. The deaths could be 10 fold. The govt is keeping the critically ill covid patients hooked up to machines to keep them breathing. other countries would have long ago disconnected these no hope situations and let them die. But the PAP needs to keep the death numbers low.

3) U cannot lump flu and covid together. Flu is flu. You can get flu and also get covid. These are not related diseases. Its like ebola. U can get ebola and also covid. How many people flu kills has no bearing at all on how many people covid kills. Just like how many people cancer kills has no bearing on covid deaths. The difference between covid and other disease is that its arbitrarily. u can prevent yourself from getting aids by not having butt sex. U can prevent yourself from getting cancer by not smoking. But how do you 100% prevent yourself from getting covid? U can't. And that is why its frightening and correctly so.

Agree with your points in general but all your points are equally applicable to Covid-19. Let's see how this pans out.

BTW you can cut out the "gullibility and stupidity" stuff with me because I'm long since being vaccinated against name calling etc. I'm 100% immune.

I'm posting this stuff to drum up meaningful discussions regarding the published numbers otherwise all we have is "fuck the PAP" crap.

More contributions from those with IQ 122 and above are most welcome. Foul mouthed individuals like you are welcome too as long as you meet the cut off 1Q score.

 

[Leongsam]

Geez, your gullibility and stupidity astounds me.

1) If you believe the govt numbers on flu deaths or covid deaths or any other kind of deaths in singapore, you are a moron. Deaths caused by flu directly is rare, but it exacerbates the patients underlying conditions and hence causes their death. Deaths from Complications due to flu should be in this number of 600, but is it? U and I don't know. If you add other deaths where flu was a contributing factor, it could be 6000 deaths per year.

2) The covid-19 numbers in singapore are 100% for sure understated. They have not tested all the workers in the dorms, or even mentioned the number of people tested. The number infected in singapore could be easily tripled what they say it is. The deaths could be 10 fold. The govt is keeping the critically ill covid patients hooked up to machines to keep them breathing. other countries would have long ago disconnected these no hope situations and let them die. But the PAP needs to keep the death numbers low.

3) U cannot lump flu and covid together. Flu is flu. You can get flu and also get covid. These are not related diseases. Its like ebola. U can get ebola and also covid. How many people flu kills has no bearing at all on how many people covid kills. Just like how many people cancer kills has no bearing on covid deaths. The difference between covid and other disease is that its arbitrarily. u can prevent yourself from getting aids by not having butt sex. U can prevent yourself from getting cancer by not smoking. But how do you 100% prevent yourself from getting covid? U can't. And that is why its frightening and correctly so.

Please also comment on these numbers https://www.sammyboy.com/threads/pa...9-circuit-breaker-period.282939/#post-3083571

Reposted for convenience :::::::::

Doing the sums for Singapore:

Confirmed cases = 1189 This is the 20% which have been confirmed.

But 80% of those infected have only mild symptoms so doctors just told them to self isolate, take temperature etc so this number is 8/2 x 1189 = 4756. I know that these individuals are not tested because I have friends in this category whom I have spoken to. None have been tested. All instructed to self isolate and take their temperatures and head to hospital only if they take a turn for the worse.

Now we have data that 50% of those infected have no symptoms whatsoever so that's another 4756 so total = 4756x2 = 9512.

6 people have died. You guys know the breakdown so I don't have to go into details.

6/9512 x 100% = 0.06%.

So why the panic?

 

[sweetiepie]

Boss also don't forget for covid there is a ongoing exercise to prevent it and with this figure vs what you presented influenza without any form of control KNN

 

[Leongsam]

Boss also don't forget for covid there is a ongoing exercise to prevent it and with this figure vs what you presented influenza without any form of control KNN

With flu there was treatment (remember tamiflu) plus prevention (vaccinations). I actually caught H1N1 in 2009 but took Tamiflu within 6 hours and was better the next day. Tamiflu stopped the virus replication in its tracks.

With Corona virus the ongoing exercise to me is a big joke but let's say it does work somewhat I don't expect it to be as good as Tamiflu plus vaccine.

 

[sweetiepie]

With flu there was treatment (remember tamiflu) plus prevention (vaccinations). I actually caught H1N1 in 2009 but took Tamiflu within 6 hours and was better the next day. Tamiflu stopped the virus replication in its tracks.

With Corona virus the ongoing exercise to me is a big joke but let's say it does work somewhat I don't expect it to be as good as Tamiflu plus vaccine.

Surprisingly very few sinkies (all those my uncle knows) have their influenza jab

 

[Leongsam]

Surprisingly very few sinkies (all those my uncle knows) have their influenza jab

The majority of those I know did. I guess you mingle with an ignorant segment of the population whereas I only socialise with the well informed.

 

[sweetiepie]

The majority of those I know did. I guess you mingle with an ignorant segment of the population whereas I only socialise with the well informed.

KNN my uncle is absolutely with you on this KNN but my uncle had his vaccine every year together with his loved ones KNN

 

[syed putra]

How do we know if we go for flu jab we get the most current ones.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Nobody demanded MASKS during H1N1 pandemic??? I wonder why.

That's because H1N1 is a mild flu compared to the Wuhan Covid-19.

In 2009, I did not even know there had been a pandemic, much less thought about wearing a mask!!

One or two times I got sick, it could very well have been H1N1. I will never know.

 

[Leongsam]

That's because H1N1 is a mild flu compared to the Wuhan Covid-19.

It killed 26 individuals in Singapore and you consider it mild? Covid-19 has only killed 6 so far.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

It killed 26 individuals in Singapore and you consider it mild? Covid-19 has only killed 6 so far.

H1N1 was allowed to spread in Singapore without a lockdown or any of the measures recently implemented. More deaths were incurred only because more people were infected.

I believe hundreds of thousands of H1N1 cases erupted in SG. That makes the mortality rate negligible.

 

[Leongsam]

H1N1 was allowed to spread in Singapore without a lockdown or any of the measures recently implemented. More deaths were incurred only because more people were infected.

I believe hundreds of thousands of H1N1 cases erupted in SG. That makes the mortality rate negligible.

You can't base your argument on "I believe". You have to base it on the stats that are available for your to work with.

I have worked out, based on the stats that everyone is using to justify the actions taken, that the mortality rate for Covid-19 is 0.06% but of course "I believe" it is actually a lot lower.

The general consensus regarding the mortality rate of a flu is 0.1% so that makes flu just as deadly as Covid-19.