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Ex-HDB CEO: HDB flats used to cost 3X median annual salary

ChewCheng

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I thought they say HDB flat is still affordable?

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At a lecture on the Singapore Public Housing Story, organised by the Centre for Liveable Cities on 20 March 2013, Dr Liu Thai Ker, who was ex-CEO of HDB and URA, made the call for public housing to return to the basics.

Dr Liu said the goal should be affordability.

Dr Liu’s call was backed by former Senior Minister of State and HDB Chairman Aline Wong, who reiterated that the purpose of public housing is to “provide a shelter over everybody’s heads”.

Dr Aline Wong said, “The asset part comes along because … property appreciates over a long time. But that is not our primary objective. People make money, accumulate savings … but we cannot promise that they will not lose (value in their property), depending on the property cycle.”

Dr Liu said, “Maybe we should go back to the basics in the sense that we should not, say, emulate condominiums — that require more expensive materials, extra this, extra that … go back to basics, keep housing prices affordable, let residents embellish the houses, embellish the interiors.”

He reiterated that the “core mission” of the HDB is to “provide affordable housing”.

“And in the process of providing that, we try to use whatever budget available to create the biggest possible floor area for the people and with minimum frills, minimum decorations and so on. By minimum decorations, it doesn’t mean that the buildings are not beautiful … if the buildings are well-proportioned, they are beautiful.”

Dr Liu added, “When I was CEO, we looked at the per capita GDP (gross domestic product) growth, the sector of people eligible for public housing, their income … and then matching that to our selling price and to our flat sizes. It was really a very detailed study.”

Dr Liu noted that in those days, flats typically cost about three years of an owner’s annual salary.

When Mah Bow Tan was the Minister for National Development, HDB Build-To-Order (BTO) prices were linked to HDB resale prices.

Since Mr Khaw took over from Mr Mah, Mr Khaw has de-linked resale and BTO prices by varying the discounts for new flats.

And recently during the Budget 2013 debate, Mr Khaw said the government aimed to bring down BTO flat prices in non-mature estates to around four years of annual salary “as it was before the current property cycle started”.

Indeed, the World Bank considers a ratio of 5 or under as affordable for local residents, while the United Nations has set the bar even lower, at 3 (see Link). In any case, anything above 5 is surely considered unaffordable by both the World Bank and the United Nations.

In a slap in the face of the Goh Chok Tong’s government in the 90’s, Dr Ailine Wong said, “In 1989, when they liberalised the rule to allow private property owners to buy HDB flats and vice versa, I thought we were deviating from our principle of providing public housing to those who could only afford public housing. So now, we are back to a more basic principle, I am very happy about that.”

She added, “Going back to the basics of providing shelter … we are moving on the right path now by going back to more rental (flats), providing housing for the divorcees and for the singles… We are not deviating from emphasising that family is the basic block of society. (But) these people (divorcees and singles) are already there with a need.”
 

GoldenDragon

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Always good to return to the basics. Not only on public housing. Many other policies deserve in-depth objective reviews. For instance, immigration policies.
 

halsey02

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Why does these people when they are earning fat salaries then, come out & say that the policies are wrong & should return to basic?? Why wait till now, after decades of damages have been done.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Why does these people when they are earning fat salaries then, come out & say that the policies are wrong & should return to basic?? Why wait till now, after decades of damages have been done.

They fear being lynch by the mob after the revolution.
Suddenly they found their conscience overnight.
 

Scrooball (clone)

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At a lecture on the Singapore Public Housing Story, organised by the Centre for Liveable Cities on 20 March 2013, Dr Liu Thai Ker, who was ex-CEO of HDB and URA, made the call for public housing to return to the basics.

Dr Liu said the goal should be affordability.

Dr Liu’s call was backed by former Senior Minister of State and HDB Chairman Aline Wong, who reiterated that the purpose of public housing is to “provide a shelter over everybody’s heads”.

Is that a reason why they are 'former' and 'ex-CEO'?
 

soIsee

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Always good to return to the basics. Not only on public housing. Many other policies deserve in-depth objective reviews. For instance, immigration policies.

Cannot leh, GD.

If retrun to 'basics' alot of ppl multi-million dollar salaries and perks got to follow leh.

No more false facades and window dressing to boost the 'importance' of needing to pay these ppl so high, leh.:biggrin:
 

soIsee

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based on MOM website, median gross income is SGD$3,000.00 and multiply that by 3 years, then HDB should be no more than SGD$108,000.00

and what is the construction costs for one typical HDB block? :eek::eek::eek:

source: http://www.mom.gov.sg/statistics-pu...ormation/statistics/Pages/earnings-wages.aspx


It's close to zeo, the land cost that is.

The peasants never really brought any housing, they were and are just tenants renting the pigeon holes from the white scums.

If each and everyone who had paid the current amount, which they had and are still paying.

The 'tenants' would have not only brought the land, the block, they would even have been able to enbloc with each 'tenant' getting many millions each. LOL
 

zhihau

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The peasants never really brought any housing, they were and are just tenants renting the pigeon holes from the white scums.

you're absolutely right. it is upfront rentals paid in 30 years (for most folks) for a 99-year lease rental.
 

soIsee

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I would put the construction of a typical HDB block at around 5 million bucks...thereabouts.

And the average block have how many flats?

If I average one block ( the new type) have 24 floors and each floor have 6 flats with a total of 144 flats selling at a average price of $400k you have ;

A total price earned of $57.6 million buckaroos.

Talk about profits and blood sweat money of Sinkie!
 

laksaboy

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Everything started when 'asset enhancement' was the magic phrase and HDB upgrading was linked to politics.

Then, from the mid-2000s onwards, the population increased tremendously due to overly liberal and irresponsible immigration policies, exacerbating the issue. New record high prices for properties, the local press crowed over and over again. No, that's nothing to brag about... that's a bubble, a ticking time bomb.
 

streetsmart73

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At a lecture on the Singapore Public Housing Story, organised by the Centre for Liveable Cities on 20 March 2013, Dr Liu Thai Ker, who was ex-CEO of HDB and URA, made the call for public housing to return to the basics.

Dr Liu said the goal should be affordability.

Dr Liu’s call was backed by former Senior Minister of State and HDB Chairman Aline Wong, who reiterated that the purpose of public housing is to “provide a shelter over everybody’s heads”.

Is that a reason why they are 'former' and 'ex-CEO'?



hi there


1. aiyoh!
2. what's most interesting is that.
3. why did it take so long for such expired top dog to speak up hoh.
4. machiam, sleeping with the enemies for a veri long time leh:biggrin:
5. it is equally guilty.
 

watchman8

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I don't hold up any hope for the current set of leaders headed by LHL. The talk of HDB returning to basics has been said several time by PAP and senior civil servants for the past 2 decades. Yet the policy never focus on affordability.
 

Crane

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I don't hold up any hope for the current set of leaders headed by LHL. The talk of HDB returning to basics has been said several time by PAP and senior civil servants for the past 2 decades. Yet the policy never focus on affordability.

It will never be "focus on affordability"

HDB prices serve as a support for the private property prices. If the HDB resale market collapses, private property prices will follow. Friends of miws will suffer major losses. I doubt pappies will allow this to happen. So PAP will continue to harp about new BTO's, how affordable they will be ...... in order to distract from the main issue - all talk, no action.
 

johnny333

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I don't hold up any hope for the current set of leaders headed by LHL. The talk of HDB returning to basics has been said several time by PAP and senior civil servants for the past 2 decades. Yet the policy never focus on affordability.


I also don't expect any changes in attitude of PM LHL. So for 60% of the voters it will be a question of how much more pain the can tahan:confused: More importantly if they want to share Spore with all those foreigner who will obviously come to threaten their jobs as well as their childrens jobs.
 

watchman8

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It will never be "focus on affordability"

HDB prices serve as a support for the private property prices. If the HDB resale market collapses, private property prices will follow. Friends of miws will suffer major losses. I doubt pappies will allow this to happen. So PAP will continue to harp about new BTO's, how affordable they will be ...... in order to distract from the main issue - all talk, no action.
You got it right. The hidden incentive for PAP is to pump up property prices so that their cronies developers can benefit, and also for MOF to collect huge land sales proceeds to finance GIC and Temasek. Without the continued flow of money from MOF, GIC and Temasek will run into trouble as they cannot no longer hide their investment losses with ever increasing asset under management.
 
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