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kelvin

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lets look at two extreme real scenarios. say, today, IS your Lucky Day. You bring S$1000, place full amount on first bet and win. Thus, you now have S$2000. Second bet, you ber full amount again and win again. Now, you have S$4000. Final Third bet, you are damn Lucky and win again. So, you collect s$8000. Your profit is S$7000.

Next scenarion. very Unlucky day. you lost initial capital S$1000. you join queue to withdraw money. say you withdraw whatever amount and lost all of it.

this is the lesson and consequences of gambling.
thus, i Always say, do NOT be greedy, bet within your means and stay focus and disciplined.
GOOD LUCK.
 

jw5

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Hi silverfox and sohbuckkiong
I don't play blackjack that often, but I have done a few experiments and found that I normally break even. What usually happens is that I start off winning, and then later start losing. When I am abck to my original stake (pool of cash), I leave the table. The few times that I tried this took me about 2 to 3 hours each time. I would always bet the same amount, no more or no less whether I just won or lost the hand.

The problem is that I probably should have left the table while I was ahead and perhaps go and do something else or go to another table. But I didn't and ended up giving back all my winnings.
 

sohbuckkong

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.............. What usually happens is that I start off winning, and then later start losing. When I am abck to my original stake (pool of cash), I leave the table. The few times that I tried this took me about 2 to 3 hours each time. I would always bet the same amount, no more or no less whether I just won or lost the hand.

The problem is that I probably should have left the table while I was ahead and perhaps go and do something else or go to another table. But I didn't and ended up giving back all my winnings.
Ok, you started winning and subsequently lose till you left your original stake and you stop, this is great, so how do you start betting from here, lets assume you continue to bet cautiously and luck was not with you and you begin to lose continuously and subsequently lose a substantial amount, so what do you do next. Lets assume you say "lets continue to bet cautiously and smartly" and luck is not with you and you sink deeper, so what are you to do next, stop or continue to play again..... etc etc..... So this is the problem with gambling.

In gambling, if you can win one million it means you can also lose one million. In roulette, black or red can come out 15 times in a row and is very common. In baccarat, banker or player can come out 12 times in a row and this is quite common too, so theres no way we can win in casino, the only system is to use the martingale but one need to be filty rich and moreover casino has imposed betting limits that prevent us from using this system.

For the mind to think that we can win in casino is the trick of our minds, thats why gamblers keep going back to casinos because they thought they could win but casino operators knows that we cant and we can never win them in the long run. Casino and gamblers or long running operators.

This is how the mind works :- With regards to roulette, Our minds says "aiyah where got so easy to come out zero, if come out also once in a while what! So lets bet black or red, 50-50 chance easier to win, if makan, dont worry, put again, where got so sway always makan" and so we bet more and more each time if makan. And so thats how we lost and lost heavily putting heavy bets believing that we will recover.

The above are all theories, the only way to proof whether we can win or otherwise is to be practical by creating all the different playing strategies one can think off and play to see if we could win. This I have done and the results I get is everyone lose no matter what strategies they use. Yes, everybody lose irregardless whether you play baccarat or roulette and no matter what strategies you use.

I will post the results here next time.
 

jw5

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sohbuckkong
I'm not saying that we can beat the casinoes in the long run. I'm simply recollecting my experiences in playing blackjack and saying that I mainly came out breaking even after spending a few hours at a table.
Most of the time, I would start of winning and end up losing back, and would stop when I return to my original stake. What would I do if I started off losing and kept losing? Let's say I change chips of amount S$1,000. If I start off losing, I would leave the table when I have lost the $1000. No reaching into the wallet for another $1000. This limits the potential of really losing big.
 

sohbuckkong

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.................. If I start off losing, I would leave the table when I have lost the $1000. No reaching into the wallet for another $1000. This limits the potential of really losing big.
Good strategy but most unfortunately most gamblers have difficulty disciplinine themselves thats y end up loser.
 

sohbuckkong

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.......I will post the results here next time.
For roullette lovers, usually we thought that it is wiser and better to play black-red as this gives us a better winning chance as opposed to betting in individual numbers. I did a finding (below are the datas) and it is confirmed that both ways lose in the long run and that we will lose less if we played individual numbers.


######## datas below ########################
Game 99954 You won :- Dealer number = 30 and player number = 23 19
Game 99955 You won :- Dealer number = 35 and player number = 14 29 27
Game 99955 You won :- Dealer number = 35 and player number = 14 29
Game 99956 You won :- Dealer number = 22 and player number = 9 2 15
Game 99956 You won :- Dealer number = 22 and player number = 9 2
Game 99957 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 25 22 33
Game 99957 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 25 22
Game 99958 You won :- Dealer number = 1 and player number = 18 20 7
Game 99958 You won :- Dealer number = 1 and player number = 18 20
Game 99959 You lost :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 30 26 13
Game 99959 You lost :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 30 26
Game 99960 You won :- Dealer number = 17 and player number = 30 25 36
Game 99960 You won :- Dealer number = 17 and player number = 30 25
Game 99961 You won :- Dealer number = 20 and player number = 32 33 1
Game 99961 You won :- Dealer number = 20 and player number = 32 33
Game 99962 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 9 35 30
Game 99962 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 9 35
Game 99963 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 23 7 8
Game 99963 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 23 7
Game 99964 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 33 14 18
Game 99964 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 33 14
Game 99965 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 4 14 7
Game 99965 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 4 14
Game 99966 You won :- Dealer number = 31 and player number = 9 30 0
Game 99966 You won :- Dealer number = 31 and player number = 9 30
Game 99967 You won :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 4 20 31
Game 99967 You won :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 4 20
Game 99968 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 36 33 29
Game 99968 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 36 33
Game 99969 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 13 24 19
Game 99969 You won :- Dealer number = 27 and player number = 13 24
Game 99970 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 21 14 25
Game 99970 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 21 14
Game 99971 You won :- Dealer number = 15 and player number = 33 28 3
Game 99971 You won :- Dealer number = 15 and player number = 33 28
Game 99972 You won :- Dealer number = 4 and player number = 34 0 18
Game 99972 You won :- Dealer number = 4 and player number = 34 0
Game 99973 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 27 28 8
Game 99973 You won :- Dealer number = 7 and player number = 27 28
Game 99974 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 23 18 6
Game 99974 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 23 18
Game 99975 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 6 21
Game 99975 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 6
Game 99976 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 10 30 25
Game 99976 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 10 30
Game 99977 You won :- Dealer number = 10 and player number = 23 34 5
Game 99977 You won :- Dealer number = 10 and player number = 23 34
Game 99978 You lost :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 6 15 23
Game 99978 You won :- Dealer number = 23 and player number = 6 15
Game 99979 You won :- Dealer number = 29 and player number = 25 30 14
Game 99979 You won :- Dealer number = 29 and player number = 25 30
Game 99980 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 36 14 21
Game 99980 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 36 14
Game 99981 You won :- Dealer number = 28 and player number = 36 33 29
Game 99981 You won :- Dealer number = 28 and player number = 36 33
Game 99982 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 12 16 30
Game 99982 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 12 16
Game 99983 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 13 4 23
Game 99983 You won :- Dealer number = 32 and player number = 13 4
Game 99984 You won :- Dealer number = 12 and player number = 20 21 17
Game 99984 You won :- Dealer number = 12 and player number = 20 21
Game 99985 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 21 26 28
Game 99985 You won :- Dealer number = 3 and player number = 21 26
Game 99986 You won :- Dealer number = 21 and player number = 14 11 0
Game 99986 You won :- Dealer number = 21 and player number = 14 11
Game 99987 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 32 23 0
Game 99987 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 32 23
Game 99988 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 0 20
Game 99988 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 28 0
Game 99989 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 32 0 6
Game 99989 You won :- Dealer number = 19 and player number = 32 0
Game 99990 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 36 23 12
Game 99990 You won :- Dealer number = 13 and player number = 36 23
Game 99991 You won :- Dealer number = 16 and player number = 20 36 26
Game 99991 You won :- Dealer number = 16 and player number = 20 36
Game 99992 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 6 4 28
Game 99992 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 6 4
Game 99993 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 25 22 12
Game 99993 You won :- Dealer number = 0 and player number = 25 22
Game 99994 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 5 35 3
Game 99994 You won :- Dealer number = 36 and player number = 5 35
Game 99995 You won :- Dealer number = 18 and player number = 26 19 30
Game 99995 You won :- Dealer number = 18 and player number = 26 19
Game 99996 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 27 28 17
Game 99996 You won :- Dealer number = 34 and player number = 27 28
Game 99997 You won :- Dealer number = 33 and player number = 29 11 22
Game 99997 You won :- Dealer number = 33 and player number = 29 11
Game 99998 You won :- Dealer number = 9 and player number = 5 35 20
Game 99998 You won :- Dealer number = 9 and player number = 5 35
Game 99999 You lost :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 20 22 26
Game 99999 You won :- Dealer number = 26 and player number = 20 22
Game 100000 You won :- Dealer number = 6 and player number = 11 8 13
Game 100000 You won :- Dealer number = 6 and player number = 11 8

System 1 :- Betted 34 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 91936 times and lost 8064 times.
Final results = You lost -88465.2799999804 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).
#################################

System 2
You betted 3 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 8064 times and lost 91936 times.
Final results = You lost -7034.88000000044 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).

########## system bet 2 numbers below ##################

System 3.
You betted 35 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 94638 times and lost 5362 times.
Final results = You lost -92085.6200001034 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).
#################################

System 4.
You betted 2 numbers on each game. 1 unit on each number.
You won 5362 times and lost 94638 times.
Final results = You lost -5144.91999999982 units (after adding 1% rolling comm).
 

sohbuckkong

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Again for roulette lovers, I have the following datas for you. The datas below shows the frequency of each number appearing for 100,000 games. It is very interesting to note that at the end of the 100,000 games rolled, the frequency of each number appeared are all about the same (around 2.7%) which proves that the law of averages are very real stuff in gambling. If we multiply 2.7 times 37, the answer is 100% (the total sum of 37 numbers)

I also wanted to know the frequency of a repeat number appearing and the results showed its average frequency as around 2.7% which is the same as the frequency of a number appearing.


####### datas ################

0 = 2970 (2.67567567567568%)

1 = 3039 (2.73783783783784%)

2 = 3002 (2.7045045045045%)

3 = 3096(2.78918918918919%)

4 = 2935(2.64414414414414%)

5 = 2962(2.66846846846847%)

6 = 2959(2.66576576576577%)

7 = 3001(2.7036036036036%)

8 = 2954(2.66126126126126%)

9 = 2962(2.66846846846847%)

10 = 2941(2.64954954954955%)

11 = 3024(2.72432432432432%)

12 = 3112(2.8036036036036%)

13 = 2947(2.65495495495496%)

14 = 3085(2.77927927927928%)

15 = 3007(2.70900900900901%)

16 = 3034(2.73333333333333%)

17 = 2999(2.7018018018018%)

18 = 2950(2.65765765765766%)

19 = 2912(2.62342342342342%)

20 = 2964(2.67027027027027%)

21 = 2964(2.67027027027027%)

22 = 3024(2.72432432432432%)

23 = 3099(2.79189189189189%)

24 = 3072(2.76756756756757%)

25 = 2980(2.68468468468468%)

26 = 2967(2.67297297297297%)

27 = 3098(2.79099099099099%)

28 = 2954(2.66126126126126%)

29 = 3038(2.73693693693694%)

30 = 2993(2.6963963963964%)

31 = 3082(2.77657657657658%)

32 = 2964(2.67027027027027%)

33 = 2945(2.65315315315315%)

34 = 3023(2.72342342342342%)

35 = 3013(2.71441441441441%)

36 = 2929(2.63873873873874%)

######### repeat numbers #################
Repeat occur 2692 times = 2.692 % of 100000 games.
 

sohbuckkong

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For rouleette lovers again, suppose we bet 34 numbers and on each round we lose we double the bets.... eg, bet $1 on each of the 34 numbers and if makan, bet $17 on each number, of course we win but we need to know how many times they can makan us continuously and the answer i get below is 4 times.

###### datas of 100,000 games ########
Game 99995
You Won! Dealer = 26, player = 24 14 35
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1260 1384 2...108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5022, stake = 1
Game 99996
You Won! Dealer = 15, player = 24 35 9
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 126.9 95108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5024, stake = 1
Game 99997
You Won! Dealer = 30, player = 4 36 12
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1260 1.....95108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5026, stake = 1
Game 99998
You Won! Dealer = 2, player = 23 26 24
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 12.8 .5.614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5028, stake = 1
Game 99999
You Won! Dealer = 17, player = 2 9 13
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1260 1603 94192 94237 94506 94521 94547 94696 95019 95108 95351 95614 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5030, stake = 1
Game 100000
You Won! Dealer = 23, player = 22 5 18
Lose continuously = 4 times. (games 635 890 944 1.9 2......14 96404 96543 96568 97184 97531 97641 97676 98287 98378 98413 98583 98753 98811 98915 98986 99110 99414 99831 99936).
Capital = 5032, stake = 1
 

sohbuckkong

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Again for roulete lovers.

For those who love to bet individual numbers. Lets say you bet only 1 number each game, you may wonder when then you will strike, will I strike, can I strike. The answer is yes you can, and you will strike and the datas below shows the maximum number of times you will not strike continuously if you played 100,000 games.

The results showed that you dont have to wait for more than 250 to 350 times before you strike.

###### datas ####################
Game 99874, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 27 .
Game 99875, you lose, dealer num = 15 and player num = 19 .
Game 99876, you lose, dealer num = 19 and player num = 3 .
Game 99877, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 2 .
Game 99878, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 29 .
Game 99879, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 31 .
Game 99880, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 3 .
Game 99881, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 15 .
Game 99882, you lose, dealer num = 3 and player num = 23 .
Game 99883, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 28 .
Game 99884, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 3 .
Game 99885, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 12 .
Game 99886, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 23 .
Game 99887, you lose, dealer num = 7 and player num = 10 .
Game 99888, you lose, dealer num = 30 and player num = 0 .
Game 99889, you lose, dealer num = 36 and player num = 15 .
Game 99890, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 12 .
Game 99891, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 26 .
Game 99892, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 33 .
Game 99893, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 26 .
Game 99894, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 12 .
Game 99895, you lose, dealer num = 25 and player num = 13 .
Game 99896, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 25 .
Game 99897, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 3 .
Game 99898, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 13 .
Game 99899, you lose, dealer num = 30 and player num = 21 .
Game 99900, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 12 .
Game 99901, you lose, dealer num = 22 and player num = 20 .
Game 99902, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 13 .
Game 99903, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 26 .
Game 99904, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 35 .
Game 99905, you lose, dealer num = 12 and player num = 34 .
Game 99906, you lose, dealer num = 22 and player num = 23 .
Game 99907, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 7 .
Game 99908, you lose, dealer num = 12 and player num = 5 .
Game 99909, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 22 .
Game 99910, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 12 .
Game 99911, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 34 .
Game 99912, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 14 .
Game 99913, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 7 .
Game 99914, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 33 .
Game 99915, you lose, dealer num = 16 and player num = 20 .
Game 99916, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 23 .
Game 99917, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 27 .
Game 99918, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 22 .
Game 99919, you lose, dealer num = 16 and player num = 2 .
Game 99920, you lose, dealer num = 13 and player num = 35 .
Game 99921, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 20 .
Game 99922, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 16 .
Game 99923, you lose, dealer num = 17 and player num = 14 .
Game 99924, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 11 .
Game 99925, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 20 .
Game 99926, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 31 .
Game 99927, you lose, dealer num = 3 and player num = 9 .
Game 99928, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 21 .
Game 99929, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 21 .
Game 99930, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 27 .
Game 99931, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 34 .
Game 99932, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 18 .
Game 99933, you lose, dealer num = 7 and player num = 33 .
Game 99934, you lose, dealer num = 12 and player num = 25 .
Game 99935, you lose, dealer num = 9 and player num = 14 .
Game 99936, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 32 .
Game 99937, you lose, dealer num = 15 and player num = 24 .
Game 99938, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 1 .
Game 99939, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 13 .
Game 99940, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 34 .
Game 99941, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 24 .
Game 99942, you lose, dealer num = 27 and player num = 14 .
Game 99943, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 26 .
Game 99944, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 24 .
Game 99945, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 10 .
Game 99946, you strike, dealer num = 36 and player num = 36 .
Game 99947, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 24 .
Game 99948, you lose, dealer num = 25 and player num = 15 .
Game 99949, you lose, dealer num = 25 and player num = 10 .
Game 99950, you lose, dealer num = 20 and player num = 14 .
Game 99951, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 17 .
Game 99952, you lose, dealer num = 18 and player num = 23 .
Game 99953, you lose, dealer num = 9 and player num = 35 .
Game 99954, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 9 .
Game 99955, you lose, dealer num = 36 and player num = 0 .
Game 99956, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 18 .
Game 99957, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 13 .
Game 99958, you lose, dealer num = 11 and player num = 1 .
Game 99959, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 19 .
Game 99960, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 0 .
Game 99961, you strike, dealer num = 23 and player num = 23 .
Game 99962, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 6 .
Game 99963, you lose, dealer num = 27 and player num = 21 .
Game 99964, you lose, dealer num = 9 and player num = 36 .
Game 99965, you lose, dealer num = 4 and player num = 15 .
Game 99966, you lose, dealer num = 35 and player num = 3 .
Game 99967, you lose, dealer num = 14 and player num = 36 .
Game 99968, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 6 .
Game 99969, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 16 .
Game 99970, you lose, dealer num = 3 and player num = 15 .
Game 99971, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 0 .
Game 99972, you lose, dealer num = 34 and player num = 23 .
Game 99973, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 12 .
Game 99974, you lose, dealer num = 6 and player num = 15 .
Game 99975, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 27 .
Game 99976, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 6 .
Game 99977, you lose, dealer num = 0 and player num = 10 .
Game 99978, you lose, dealer num = 7 and player num = 17 .
Game 99979, you lose, dealer num = 10 and player num = 8 .
Game 99980, you lose, dealer num = 5 and player num = 29 .
Game 99981, you lose, dealer num = 33 and player num = 4 .
Game 99982, you lose, dealer num = 13 and player num = 23 .
Game 99983, you lose, dealer num = 19 and player num = 9 .
Game 99984, you lose, dealer num = 2 and player num = 17 .
Game 99985, you lose, dealer num = 24 and player num = 14 .
Game 99986, you lose, dealer num = 36 and player num = 15 .
Game 99987, you lose, dealer num = 21 and player num = 31 .
Game 99988, you lose, dealer num = 31 and player num = 34 .
Game 99989, you lose, dealer num = 17 and player num = 18 .
Game 99990, you lose, dealer num = 28 and player num = 24 .
Game 99991, you lose, dealer num = 32 and player num = 2 .
Game 99992, you lose, dealer num = 11 and player num = 20 .
Game 99993, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 3 .
Game 99994, you lose, dealer num = 34 and player num = 18 .
Game 99995, you lose, dealer num = 1 and player num = 35 .
Game 99996, you lose, dealer num = 23 and player num = 16 .
Game 99997, you strike, dealer num = 18 and player num = 18 .
Game 99998, you lose, dealer num = 26 and player num = 16 .
Game 99999, you lose, dealer num = 22 and player num = 17 .
Max Number of times did not strike continuously = 326 times.
 

sohbuckkong

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#72
Again for roulete lovers.

Suppose you bet $1 on only one number each game and if you lose 34 times, you start to bet $2, and your bet increase accordingly to your loses, you may wish to know for 100,000 games, what is your maximum loses and the maximum amout of stake you may have to put. Here is your datas below:-

##### datas ########
Game 76200, $dealer_no = 25, $num = 7.
$capital = 99930.1, $win_lose = -69.8999999999796, $stake = 2.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -69.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 2.
Game 76500, $dealer_no = 36, $num = 8.
$capital = 99928.1, $win_lose = -71.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -71.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 76800, $dealer_no = 3, $num = 1.
$capital = 99925.1, $win_lose = -74.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -74.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 77100, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 30.
$capital = 99922.1, $win_lose = -77.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -77.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 77400, $dealer_no = 7, $num = 31.
$capital = 99919.1, $win_lose = -80.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -80.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 77700, $dealer_no = 9, $num = 12.
$capital = 99916.1, $win_lose = -83.8999999999796, $stake = 3.
$commission = 2.1.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78000, $dealer_no = 30, $num = 30.
$capital = 100022.15, $win_lose = 22.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78300, $dealer_no = 0, $num = 8.
$capital = 100021.15, $win_lose = 21.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78600, $dealer_no = 3, $num = 11.
$capital = 100020.15, $win_lose = 20.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 78900, $dealer_no = 12, $num = 20.
$capital = 100019.15, $win_lose = 19.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 79200, $dealer_no = 10, $num = 24.
$capital = 100018.15, $win_lose = 18.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 79500, $dealer_no = 17, $num = 11.
$capital = 100017.15, $win_lose = 17.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 79800, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 22.
$capital = 100016.15, $win_lose = 16.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 80100, $dealer_no = 20, $num = 25.
$capital = 100015.15, $win_lose = 15.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 80400, $dealer_no = 30, $num = 33.
$capital = 100014.15, $win_lose = 14.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 80700, $dealer_no = 8, $num = 2.
$capital = 100013.15, $win_lose = 13.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81000, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 17.
$capital = 100012.15, $win_lose = 12.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81300, $dealer_no = 5, $num = 8.
$capital = 100011.15, $win_lose = 11.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81600, $dealer_no = 32, $num = 18.
$capital = 100010.15, $win_lose = 10.1500000000233, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 81900, $dealer_no = 0, $num = 22.
$capital = 100009.15, $win_lose = 9.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 82200, $dealer_no = 11, $num = 30.
$capital = 100008.15, $win_lose = 8.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 82500, $dealer_no = 8, $num = 36.
$capital = 100007.15, $win_lose = 7.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 82800, $dealer_no = 4, $num = 2.
$capital = 100006.15, $win_lose = 6.15000000002328, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.15.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 83100, $dealer_no = 27, $num = 27.
$capital = 100041.5, $win_lose = 41.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 83400, $dealer_no = 14, $num = 4.
$capital = 100040.5, $win_lose = 40.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 83700, $dealer_no = 1, $num = 24.
$capital = 100039.5, $win_lose = 39.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84000, $dealer_no = 23, $num = 31.
$capital = 100038.5, $win_lose = 38.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84300, $dealer_no = 20, $num = 27.
$capital = 100037.5, $win_lose = 37.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84600, $dealer_no = 19, $num = 6.
$capital = 100036.5, $win_lose = 36.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 84900, $dealer_no = 7, $num = 28.
$capital = 100035.5, $win_lose = 35.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 85200, $dealer_no = 11, $num = 1.
$capital = 100034.5, $win_lose = 34.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 85500, $dealer_no = 31, $num = 7.
$capital = 100033.5, $win_lose = 33.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 85800, $dealer_no = 35, $num = 29.
$capital = 100032.5, $win_lose = 32.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 86100, $dealer_no = 10, $num = 13.
$capital = 100031.5, $win_lose = 31.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 86400, $dealer_no = 10, $num = 1.
$capital = 100030.5, $win_lose = 30.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 86700, $dealer_no = 22, $num = 36.
$capital = 100029.5, $win_lose = 29.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87000, $dealer_no = 0, $num = 27.
$capital = 100028.5, $win_lose = 28.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87300, $dealer_no = 4, $num = 12.
$capital = 100027.5, $win_lose = 27.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87600, $dealer_no = 20, $num = 32.
$capital = 100026.5, $win_lose = 26.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 87900, $dealer_no = 30, $num = 13.
$capital = 100025.5, $win_lose = 25.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 88200, $dealer_no = 36, $num = 28.
$capital = 100024.5, $win_lose = 24.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 88500, $dealer_no = 33, $num = 15.
$capital = 100023.5, $win_lose = 23.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 88800, $dealer_no = 25, $num = 34.
$capital = 100022.5, $win_lose = 22.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 89100, $dealer_no = 29, $num = 11.
$capital = 100021.5, $win_lose = 21.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 89400, $dealer_no = 13, $num = 24.
$capital = 100020.5, $win_lose = 20.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 89700, $dealer_no = 19, $num = 18.
$capital = 100019.5, $win_lose = 19.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
Game 90000, $dealer_no = 26, $num = 20.
$capital = 100018.5, $win_lose = 18.5000000000291, $stake = 1.
$commission = 3.5.
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796, Maximum stake = 3.
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Summary : You won! 18.5000000000291 units.
Total games played = 90000 games
Original capital = 100000 units. Final capital = 100018.5 units
Maximum loss = -83.8999999999796 units, Maximum stake = 3 units.
Total commission collected = 3.5 units.
 

alvin36

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#73
hi all.. i'm new here. just happenned to read this interesting thread :p

anyway... in my opinion....in roulette, all game are independent. chances for any number to come out is 1/37, which is 2.7027027027.... %

for example, game #001 come out "7"
chances for game #002 to come out "7" again is still 2.7027027027.... %

even after 3 consecutive games of "7", chances for the 4th game to come out "7" again.. is still 2.7027027027.... %

This above is my point of every game is "independent".

Next, on the point of "gamblers... can never win casino...", seems that fellows members here forgot one very important point.

That is : the casino has almost unlimited supply of chips/money to fight with gambler. For example, a player can win very often... say he win 5k for a few days..... does casino feel a pinch ?? NO, OF COURSE !!
On the other hand... if a player... lose 5k, then 10k, then lose 20k... then most likely he will be in deep trouble.. soon he will begin to borrow.. with interest.

In life, luck is up and down, you can up by 5k, down 3k, up 10k, down 8, up 20k, down 30k... no matter how much you up, the casino will not DIE. But if you down 20k or 100k.... i'm sure.. you will be in big touble liao.
 

kelvin

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#74
yes, very true !
Today's newspaper:
Arab Billionaire Fouad al-Zayat bought 91M pounds in gaming chips and had already lost more tan 23M pounds.
 
#75
I realise that there is a difference in baccarat play on cruise ship vs land casino.

On cruise, there is the
1)additional insurance bets on player or banker.
2)the $10 tables, they use single decks
3)banker pair/player pair is 10-1 payout, on land casino is 11-1 payout. so generally you win less.

generally to speak, the finishing of a shoe is longer on cruise due to the insurance betting. the faster the shoe ends, it is said the customer lose faster. thus by spreading with insurance bets, the duration lengthen and the customer will lose slower if he doesn't bet on insurance bets.
actually insurance betting is crap. if the cruise ship is losing money from insurance betting, they would have taken it out. in the event of a tie, they eat your insurance bet.

thus i feel insurance betting is a way of earning money for the casinos.

single decks reduce the house edge. for customers who can do some counting, should play these tables. i don't have a penchant for this, because in the world not many places use single decks anymore. normally its 8 decks.
 

alvin36

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#76
I realise that there is a difference in baccarat play on cruise ship vs land casino.

On cruise, there is the
1)additional insurance bets on player or banker.
2)the $10 tables, they use single decks
3)banker pair/player pair is 10-1 payout, on land casino is 11-1 payout. so generally you win less.

generally to speak, the finishing of a shoe is longer on cruise due to the insurance betting. the faster the shoe ends, it is said the customer lose faster. thus by spreading with insurance bets, the duration lengthen and the customer will lose slower if he doesn't bet on insurance bets.
actually insurance betting is crap. if the cruise ship is losing money from insurance betting, they would have taken it out. in the event of a tie, they eat your insurance bet.

thus i feel insurance betting is a way of earning money for the casinos.

single decks reduce the house edge. for customers who can do some counting, should play these tables. i don't have a penchant for this, because in the world not many places use single decks anymore. normally its 8 decks.
yes bro... insurrance betting is crap. in fact, if you calculate the tax or the advantage that the casino eat you in insurrance game.. you will know.

let me explain,

#1. if you have 7 points (banker or player), the insurrance is 1 pay 4.
you see, if you have 7 points on player, the banker has 2 points, there is only 2 cards that the banker can draw to win you. therefore the probability is 2/12, 1 card TIE. right ? 2/12 = 1/6, which by right, should be 1 pay 5. but the casino only 1 pay 4. therefore, for this insurrance game itself, the casino tax you 20 %. correct ??

#2. if you have 6 points, the same calculation goes for above, the casino has 3 cards to win and 1 card TIE. The insurrance payout is 1 pay 3.. which is fair and tax free. the only difference is.. if you buy banker and has 6 points, there is a still a chance for you to draw a 3rd card, depending on what the player 3rd card.

#. the same theory apply to 5 points.

to summarise.. i find that , in the insurrance game, if the payout is 1pay 2 or 1 pay 3.. you can play. but for 1 pay 4 or 1 pay 8.. is not worth betting. because the odds are too small. and the payout is too little.

Next... let me talk about the BIG SMALL game. everyone should never play the "total points" or "correct number" games. the fair game is only BIG or SMALL.

let me explain. in BIG or SMALL, there is 6 out of 216 chances of "BAO ZI".. which is 1/36 chances.. that means only 2.7777% advantage to casino, which is fair for any game in casino.

but if you bet "112", the payout is 1 pay 50, which is not fair. for a dice game to come out "112" the chances is 3 out of 216, which should be 1/72. that means the pay out should be 1 pay 72 (without tax).... therefore, for the casino to only pay 1 pay 50.. the tax is too much,is almost 25 %

another scenerio, if you bet "234", the payout is only 1 pay 30. For any dice game, for the dice to come out "234" is 6 out of 216. so the fair pay out should be 1 pay 36 (without tax). therefore, for this kind of bet, even if you win, the casino already tax you almost 15 %.. right ?

not sure if my analysis is clear...... anyone has any comments to share ?
 
#77
yes bro... insurrance betting is crap. in fact, if you calculate the tax or the advantage that the casino eat you in insurrance game.. you will know.

let me explain,

#1. if you have 7 points (banker or player), the insurrance is 1 pay 4.
you see, if you have 7 points on player, the banker has 2 points, there is only 2 cards that the banker can draw to win you. therefore the probability is 2/12, 1 card TIE. right ? 2/12 = 1/6, which by right, should be 1 pay 5. but the casino only 1 pay 4. therefore, for this insurrance game itself, the casino tax you 20 %. correct ??

#2. if you have 6 points, the same calculation goes for above, the casino has 3 cards to win and 1 card TIE. The insurrance payout is 1 pay 3.. which is fair and tax free. the only difference is.. if you buy banker and has 6 points, there is a still a chance for you to draw a 3rd card, depending on what the player 3rd card.

#. the same theory apply to 5 points.

to summarise.. i find that , in the insurrance game, if the payout is 1pay 2 or 1 pay 3.. you can play. but for 1 pay 4 or 1 pay 8.. is not worth betting. because the odds are too small. and the payout is too little.

not sure if my analysis is clear...... anyone has any comments to share ?
Big small i don't know much, so can't comment.
What you said on insurance is more or less than. my observations is people tend to buy insurance.
I can say at least 50% of people who play baccarat do not know how the conditions of baccarat works. Which condition to take 3rd card for player and which condition to take 3rd card for banker. Then when it comes to this insurance betting, more will not know how to calculate further. so if in the event you get paid 1 to 4, and the dealer pays 1 to 2, due to pace of the game, i can say these people wouldn't know.
So this part casino wins. The tax part is really too outrageous and the payout is not fair but still people bet on it.
 

alvin36

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#78
Big small i don't know much, so can't comment.
What you said on insurance is more or less than. my observations is people tend to buy insurance.
I can say at least 50% of people who play baccarat do not know how the conditions of baccarat works. Which condition to take 3rd card for player and which condition to take 3rd card for banker. Then when it comes to this insurance betting, more will not know how to calculate further. so if in the event you get paid 1 to 4, and the dealer pays 1 to 2, due to pace of the game, i can say these people wouldn't know.
So this part casino wins. The tax part is really too outrageous and the payout is not fair but still people bet on it.
You are right, the tax is too outrageous for the "insurrance game". We should always treat the insurrance game as an independent game, because, afterall, we are betting on the "insurrance card".

If you play insurrance , in the long term, you will lose.
The only insurrance game that you can play is when you bet player, and got 6 points, when banker needs to draw 3rd card, the casino will say 1 pay 3 for your player bet. As far as I calculate, this is the only "insurrance game" with ZERO tax.

For example, if your player got 6 points, banker got 1 point, then banker has only 3 chance to win you, that is banker draw "6 or 7 or 8", draw 5 is TIE. There the odds is 3 out of 12. the odd of 1 pay 3 is totally TAX FREE.
 

breakingfree

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I realise that there is a difference in baccarat play on cruise ship vs land casino.


generally to speak, the finishing of a shoe is longer on cruise due to the insurance betting. the faster the shoe ends, it is said the customer lose faster. thus by spreading with insurance bets, the duration lengthen and the customer will lose slower if he doesn't bet on insurance bets.
actually insurance betting is crap. if the cruise ship is losing money from insurance betting, they would have taken it out. in the event of a tie, they eat your insurance bet.
ermm, if it is a tie bet, they will return u both ur bet and ur insurance money. Dont really need to condemn insurance bet. It depends on the situation how u going to use it thou.

For example u bet $200 player with dealer offering u insurance of 1 : 2. u can consider buying $100 insurance. cos no matter whats the result except tie, u win $100. no stress. Normally the players will buy 1 : 2 up till 1: 4. anything abv less likey for them to buy cos the odds of the hands going against them is less likely.

I seldom buy insurance too, cos it will "eat" into ur profit if u play insurance long run, unless i place quite a big sum. but as i say again it really depends on situation. if i am winning, i dont mind buying some insurance, cos no matter whats the results i win. (exclude 1:1 and tie)
 
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