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Robert Half

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You should apply NCPG self-exclusion to save your future & assets

Thanks Bro Robert Half for your advise:smile:

Bro CoffeeMe... I am not telling you a joke.

Last 2 weeks I went MBS daily got win got lose and when I calculated that my net winning reach $6,000. I told myself to stop going.
In June, I lost quite a lot so this $6,000 win is a partial recoup.

I am now on self-exclusion for lifetime :biggrin: so quit while you can.

Maybe once in a while.. I will go Genting for a vacation :biggrin:
 

jjcc88

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dear jjcc,

some machines simply don't pay no matter how long and how big you play...
YES - Agree fully with you there
Think they modify/rotate the machines on certain days
Found that at peak weekends - many slots are mainly BAD & NOT paying out at all


quit and move on to other slots...i lost a bomb before trying to beat the demon in the slot....learnt my lesson...never fight with the demon....the bonus teaser is always there...the big jackpot is always there to tease you and to entice you...don't fall for it..
I DON'T play with the intention to get the Big Jackpot
Will be happy with the Bonus Games etc and NO LOSSES
Many of my fav slots are NOT linked to any big jackpots anyway



i returned to my favourites - the cricket, the fruits progressives and the silverain quickhits...all not paying...i quit and went home....take leave until another day....don't get soaked in...and don't lose your emotions....that's when you're most vulnerable and you can lose everything: all your winnings plus your capital..

so be very careful...cheers and good luck!

TQ - YES - must NOT give in to our emotions
I will now withdraw all I need at the ATMs BEFORE entering the casino
If I lose that That's That & NO MORE ATM Withdrawals

Since I've found that the machines pay out better at the quieter non-peak hours, I'll fine-tune my casino-visiting hours to cater to that as best as possible
eg took a rest yesterday Sat but likely to go later Sun evening

Very itchy, want to play further :
- Champion Winners
- 4-in-1 Silver & Gold etc slots
- SilverRain QuickHits [maybe also Diamond Quickhits & those SuperRespin slots]
- Panda & Tiger slots [if available/free]
- Glitter & Gold [if fav one is available]
- my fav end-position ChoySunYe [if available]
- BankBusters [if lucky 2nd-position slot available]
- want to try out Cascading slot eg Dean Martin Wild Party - after volcanolee saying such are fun to play :p :biggrin:
- want to play more 'comprehensively' the Lucky Cricket slots as the previous trial play was just too short/rushed
- MIGHT give PP several Trial Spins - IF Nothing Won't Bother further with PP until another luckier paying-out day there :(

So many nice slot games to play - just have to make sure that the luckier fav position ones are available/free for us to play - sometimes one visit also NOT enough time (or left enough $$ if lost earlier) to 'cover/play' all of them hahahaha :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Hey THIS should be in the OTHER SLOT THREAD ....
 

jjcc88

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I reiterate this point again. It is very very very easy to win $100-$200 per day, the problem is 90% of people will not be contented to win just $100-$200.

Those who pay the $100 levy compared to $2000 levy are at a more disadvantaged situation.

$100 is for casual patrons
$2000 is for frequent patrons.

The mindset on the gambling table is completely different for a $100 levy patron against a $2000 levy patron.

Post copied over here for the ATTN OF BRO SILVERFOX :

...

Hmmmm .... should I also start exploring an Alternative Table Game here too ???
I'm most 'familiar' only with Baccarat (after those years of observing same - going to casinos with the ex)
BUT then bro silverfox says Baccarat game is Too Slow & Long
And I think I'm too 'stupid' for Blackjack if must THINK etc
SO - any feasible "affordable recommendation" bros ???

***>>>Bro silverfox - can you/your friend "mentor" me passively or otherwise
Say I pass over bankroll of 2K-3k [or do you need more 5k ?], can help grow that for me etc ???
I can quietly 'observe & learn' - pick up another "useful casino skill"
Don't want to stay forever "just a slot player" ........


My lady boss who's ONLY into Table Games simply CAN'T understand why I can find joy in playing slots
{AIYAH - most accidental discovery - bc she happened to call me on my hp while a noisy mini-feature win was in operation to ask me to work more hours ... later she asked me what was all that NOISE from at that time of night etc sighs - so 'got caught out that way'
But she agrees that casino-going is OK so long as we play within our means etc}

BUT I got BLAMED for her losing $800 at slots at her last MBS visit when she 'any-old-how' just tried her hand at some slots "because of me" ??? :confused: :(
(she says she's been too busy to step into both MBS and RWS for months now tho' and said the next time she's at MBS again she'll SMS me to see whether I'm there too and I can then go over and TEACH her how the slots are played - ALAMAK :confused::eek::rolleyes:)

Just last week she told us that her friend won over 100k jackpot at slots too .....
 

silverfox@

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Post copied over here for the ATTN OF BRO SILVERFOX :

Hmmmm .... should I also start exploring an Alternative Table Game here too ???
I'm most 'familiar' only with Baccarat (after those years of observing same - going to casinos with the ex)
BUT then bro silverfox says Baccarat game is Too Slow & Long
And I think I'm too 'stupid' for Blackjack if must THINK etc
SO - any feasible "affordable recommendation" bros ???
I don't know how to play slots, though I have seen some people who can win big payouts. Exploring a table game is quite fun too. But you must have an interest in the game you play.

Example I love casino war best. It's the most fun casino game because you don't need to think at all. Just bet open card see whose card bigger.
But can't really make money out of it. But its the most fun casino game which I like most.

Baccarat is a very slow game. If you want a faster version is Mini-baccarat, but you only get half payment from B6. There are people who said you cannot count cards at Baccarat because it doesn't affect.
But need to understand how the game works.
Why Banker needs to pay commission? Because Banker will open more times to Player. So this one most people know. But why?

1) Because of the 3rd card rule which is advantage to Banker bets.

So from here need to determine which are the cards which will aid the 3rd card rule. It's cards 7,8,9. Baccarat is the easiest game to count, because you have paper and pen provided. So as the game moves, more and more cards come out and if cards 7,8,9 are distributed out more then the other cards, Banker bets are more highly probable. Which means banker will come out more often.

When there are less card values of 7,8,9, the tendency to pick a 3rd card is higher so it increases the chances of Banker. But it doesn't mean sure will open Banker. And also as the deck goes on, the advantage will be clearer when at least half the 8 decks are dealed out, so you left with 4 decks of cards to predict.

How I play last time is I don't play Player bets. I only buy Banker. If you feel its Banker, buy Banker. If you feel its Player, then don't buy anything at all. So can sit around table and see the cards come out. When there is an advantage, I will increase bet by 20-50% depending on how confident I am.

The little bit of problem is you need to wait and sometimes whole day you can't see such an advantage. Especially when Baccarat is a very long game.

By not betting on Player, I don't subject my bets to both house edges of Banker and Player. Only 1 side. That is 1 way of losing less. If the whole day the results are erratic. Just need to focus Banker, Banker and only Banker.

This method is very slow but achievable. And must be patient.

To test out your patience on counting, just go to the various tables and look at how the cards are distributed out and its easy to calculate what are the remaining cards available. But must remember that even though lots of 7,8,9 cards come out already, there is still a high chance that many natural situations will occur. Natural 8,9s can occur anywhere at Banker or Player. The counting gives a slight edge. Some people play by thrend, I don't play thrend.

But baccarat is too slow and need to spend quite a lot of time, so I seldom play Baccarat already.


Now going out, the part on Blackjack will tell you later.
 

silverfox@

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Dear Bro Silverfox,

Do you mind to answer my questions below. Maybe just some advise? Really appreciate if you could answer it. Just want to be sure if my way of playing is "safe" or correct.

1. I read the earlier thread by you that you have made some analysis. do you think the rule "winning 20-30% of your bankrole" is still working nowadays?

2. Which is wiser;
A. bring 10 times target to win 3 times, lose 5 times take a break come back later, or;
B. bring 5 times target to win 2 times, lose all go home, come another day?
I believe to keep track of the losing is more important than winning my target.

Thanks in advance.

B) Bring $500, target win $1-200, lose and then go home. Win also go home.

If you lose $500, you need to win $1000 back to see a profit of $500
If you keep playing and losing to $1000, you need to win $1500 to see a profit of $500. So if you lost and keep playing and lose, your profit will be very very far from you

So sometimes lose like $1-200 also better to go home than to continue if you have already played more than an hour. If you can win, you would have won in the 1st hour already.
 

aurvandil

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B) Bring $500, target win $1-200, lose and then go home. Win also go home.

Statistically no difference if you play 1 hr a day for 20 days or 20 hr in one go. The odds don't change (unless you are playing slots and they remotely adjusted the machine) so the chances of you winning/losing is the same.
 

CoffeeMe

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Thanks for the reply bro Silverfox.

Dear Bro Aurvandil, Yes, i agree for the odd of playing an hour for 20 days is statistically same as playing 20 hours in one day. But, for playing 20 hours in one shot would be too far and dangerous (at least for me). I used to stay 12 - 15 hours playing slots. Somehow winning became not important. as my mind keep telling to go home and rest as i am getting tired sitting & pressing again and again....:p . It happened more than once. Until, one day i decided to write this sentence on my hand "what is the purpose of coming to casino?" Of course the answer is winning some cash home. Not for the fun of pressing the button for 12-15 hours....:biggrin:
So, for staying too long in casino for the sake of winning is impossible for me. Sorry for my amateur thinking, but this is what i think logic. If I can win within 15 hours, that's the same thing for losing. So, I would rather win/lose 3-5 hands and go home. Or else, i might lose both my money and time.
 

silverfox@

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Statistically no difference if you play 1 hr a day for 20 days or 20 hr in one go. The odds don't change (unless you are playing slots and they remotely adjusted the machine) so the chances of you winning/losing is the same.

A pity gambling though can go by statistics but human factor comes in.

Your level of concentration is the strongest in the 1st 30 minutes, after 1 hour, your concentration level will go down and not go up. 3 hours later, any good player will have his concentration level drop by at least 30-50%.

1) You start making mistakes
2) You start making foolish mistakes
3) You make decisions that you normally don't make.
4) You think since you have already stayed for 3 hours why not another hour? By the time you left the casino, you wanted to spend only $1000, it becomes $2000.
 

aurvandil

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1) You start making mistakes
2) You start making foolish mistakes
3) You make decisions that you normally don't make.
4) You think since you have already stayed for 3 hours why not another hour? By the time you left the casino, you wanted to spend only $1000, it becomes $2000.

This is very true if you are playing a game with many player decisions like blackjack,pontoon etc. It is however not applicable if you are playing games where there are hardly any player decisions (e.g. baccarat, roulette).

What you observe might have more to do with the risk appettie of a person. There have been lots of microeconomic studies done which show that when people win money, their risk appettite becomes conservative. They bet less and they tend to try to protect their winnings. However when people lose money, their risk appetite changes to become liberal. To recover their losses, they tend to bet more.

The underlying odds don't change but the perception of the player changes.
 
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rofthelper

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Dear Bro Silverfox,

Do you mind to answer my questions below. Maybe just some advise? Really appreciate if you could answer it. Just want to be sure if my way of playing is "safe" or correct.

1. I read the earlier thread by you that you have made some analysis. do you think the rule "winning 20-30% of your bankrole" is still working nowadays?

2. Which is wiser;
A. bring 10 times target to win 3 times, lose 5 times take a break come back later, or;
B. bring 5 times target to win 2 times, lose all go home, come another day?
I believe to keep track of the losing is more important than winning my target.

Thanks in advance.

Maybe you will like to "re-adjust" on your losing bankroll to 2-3x. Losing 5 times of your bankroll is quite dangerous, if you left with 5x bankroll, any disastrous results can happen and there goes to your the remaining 5x.
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Below is my "conservative gameplan".

If I were you and objective of the day is 200-300. Let's say if you bring $2000 (20 units) and every 1 unit is $100, win you bet 1 unit, lose you bet half unit. Lose 2 units equals to win 1 unit. Example if more lose (-600) than win (+200) and reach 80% bankroll (+$1600), either concede defeat or move to another table to try another of your 20% bankroll.

If your gameplan is to play "garung", win next you bet 2 units and stop at 4 units (+$400), lose you bet 3 units every round and stop losing 9 units. (since your earlier intention is to stop at +50%)

In fact there's alot betting style to suit your preferences.
 

theblackhole

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i agree with bro silverfox.

the longer you stay, the more foolish and reckless you become. your greed appetite grows and that is the start of a terrible and painful financial downfall.the road to misery will start once your appetite is not controlled...you want to win MORE...and you want to win back your LOSSES..in the end, you lost everything including your winnings, your bankroll, your previous winnings, and even your backup atms reserves....everything.

so the most ( personally speaking )...4 to 6 hours depending on your mood for the day...even playing slots can lead you to the slippery road of disastrous financial losses when you get one slot teaser and enticer....that's the end of all your winnings just in one setting...

so take care...DO NOT STAY TOO LONG ...THAT'S THE MANTRA ....win or lose, get out into the sunshine and fight another day....
 

silverfox@

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This is very true if you are playing a game with many player decisions like blackjack,pontoon etc. It is however not applicable if you are playing games where there are hardly any player decisions (e.g. baccarat, roulette).

What you observe might have more to do with the risk appettie of a person. There have been lots of microeconomic studies done which show that when people win money, their risk appettite becomes conservative. They bet less and they tend to try to protect their winnings. However when people lose money, their risk appetite changes to become liberal. To recover their losses, they tend to bet more.

The underlying odds don't change but the perception of the player changes.

If you target 1 hour play and you play beyond this timing every time, you are addicted. It's gambling that controls you, not you control gambling.

Every game is the same (whether you play baccarat, roulette, slots, blackjack, poker) because the lighting, atmosphere, people affects you when the time gets longer.

When a person's concentration level goes down, he may intend to bet just $100 but will increase his bets because he sees others who are winning betting heavier. To him its now or never.

A person who stays 3 hours playing baccarat and have not been winning, what does he want to achieve? The main reason why he sat 3 hrs is because he has not been winning, so greed is what is affecting him. When concentration level is low, no one can determine what is logic and what is greed. That's why casino is open 24 hours. No need to play so many hours. Even 30 minutes a day is recreation, win or lose, set a target.

You are not wrong when you said "show that when people win money, their risk appettite becomes conservative. They bet less and they tend to try to protect their winnings. However when people lose money, their risk appetite changes to become liberal. To recover their losses, they tend to bet more.
"


One of the strategies I used is I reduce my bets to lowest when I am losing and increase my bets when I am winning. Stopping point is when the winning streak snaps. Reverse the martingale.
 

silverfox@

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Maybe you will like to "re-adjust" on your losing bankroll to 2-3x. Losing 5 times of your bankroll is quite dangerous, if you left with 5x bankroll, any disastrous results can happen and there goes to your the remaining 5x.
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In fact there's alot betting style to suit your preferences.

Actually every one should have a personal strategy that they themselves like most and apply. What works for me may not work for others because others apply it differently. Vice versa too. Most important is the strategy when applied must be comfortable with you.

There is no single strategy that works by itself.

It's a combination of strategies plus good money management that can enable one to win on the tables.

Strategy good but money management goes haywire will also lose back to casinos.
 

jjcc88

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i agree with bro silverfox.

the longer you stay, the more foolish and reckless you become. your greed appetite grows and that is the start of a terrible and painful financial downfall.the road to misery will start once your appetite is not controlled...you want to win MORE...and you want to win back your LOSSES..in the end, you lost everything including your winnings, your bankroll, your previous winnings, and even your backup atms reserves....everything.

so the most ( personally speaking )...4 to 6 hours depending on your mood for the day...even playing slots can lead you to the slippery road of disastrous financial losses when you get one slot teaser and enticer....that's the end of all your winnings just in one setting...

so take care...DO NOT STAY TOO LONG ...THAT'S THE MANTRA ....win or lose, get out into the sunshine and fight another day....

Actually I'm not sure WHY I stay so long
I think I just like to continue playing for as long as possible
Not so much as "to really Win or Get back the Losses etc" as such
STRANGE ?? :confused::o:rolleyes:
 

jjcc88

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I don't know how to play slots, though I have seen some people who can win big payouts. Exploring a table game is quite fun too. But you must have an interest in the game you play.

Example I love casino war best. It's the most fun casino game because you don't need to think at all. Just bet open card see whose card bigger.
But can't really make money out of it. But its the most fun casino game which I like most.

Baccarat is a very slow game. If you want a faster version is Mini-baccarat, but you only get half payment from B6. There are people who said you cannot count cards at Baccarat because it doesn't affect.
But need to understand how the game works.

....


But baccarat is too slow and need to spend quite a lot of time, so I seldom play Baccarat already.


Now going out, the part on Blackjack will tell you later.

Thanks for your sharing !

True - I feel I can lose more and much faster at slots compared with sloow baccarat - relatively speaking ......
slots is really all about LUCK [whether you pick right lucky/timely machine etc]

Whereas table games like blackjack require some 'thinking' etc & 'sophisticated strategy' (or so it appears ?)

Maybe I'll only really know what I like/prefer AFTER having experienced/learnt the games properly
(tho' knowing I'm impatient in nature, may not find slow baccarat my cup of tea altho' baccarat should be so much simpler/easier to learn/play compared with blackjack ?)

So perhaps I should start with Rapid Baccarat rather than the normal mini or table baccarat - once I can tear myself away from slots ?
 

silverfox@

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Thanks for your sharing !

True - I feel I can lose more and much faster at slots compared with sloow baccarat - relatively speaking ......
slots is really all about LUCK [whether you pick right lucky/timely machine etc]

Whereas table games like blackjack require some 'thinking' etc & 'sophisticated strategy' (or so it appears ?)

Maybe I'll only really know what I like/prefer AFTER having experienced/learnt the games properly
(tho' knowing I'm impatient in nature, may not find slow baccarat my cup of tea altho' baccarat should be so much simpler/easier to learn/play compared with blackjack ?)

So perhaps I should start with Rapid Baccarat rather than the normal mini or table baccarat - once I can tear myself away from slots ?

When you play any table game, you must know 1) The Rules very well 2) The Odds very well.

Because the rules are signs which can tell you how to find ways to win. Rules are set in a way to be advantage to the house. So from there you will need to understand why it is played that way. Then how to avoid situations which are disadvantage to us.

Rapid baccarat and mini baccarat pace is faster. If you like Roulette, you can play Roulette too. Play a game that you like to analyse the game.

Card games are easier because can play at home too. Roulette cannot.
 

Slotloser

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Hi Folks,

here it go again... new lucky draw promotion at MBS will be starting again for the next 2 weekends!!

22nd Oct - 24Oct - The first wild cash - S$50,000 to win leh!!!
29th - 31st Oct - 2 to win for Spain trip....

Cheers & heng heng for those who is participating!!
 

jjcc88

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Hi Folks,

here it go again... new lucky draw promotion at MBS will be starting again for the next 2 weekends!!

22nd Oct - 24Oct - The first wild cash - S$50,000 to win leh!!!
29th - 31st Oct - 2 to win for Spain trip....

Cheers & heng heng for those who is participating!!

Got the email tonight [with 206 bonus entries for every drawing]

Well can only hope my name gets called [Wild Cash] this coming 1st weekend especially since this will be my 3rd stayover
{and also supposedly my very auspicious 'windfall/romance good luck day' then - if that's to be believed ... hahahaha
:smile: :p :biggrin:}

Hmmm 2nd weekend promo
- Spain just happens to be among my desired destinations - also Greece and a whole host of other countries/places .....
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::rolleyes:


AND I'll be back in time from my genting-malaccan trip the following Deepavali weekend
- for the 5th - 7th Nov Wild Cash weekend too :smile:


While not going to place too much hope on these
These free promos DO somehow provide 'variation & interest' AND this time round the draw hours are NOT that taxing as like in the last Blazing 3s ....
 

volcanolee

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Got the email tonight [with 206 bonus entries for every drawing]

Well can only hope my name gets called [Wild Cash] this coming 1st weekend especially since this will be my 3rd stayover
{and also supposedly my very auspicious 'windfall/romance good luck day' then - if that's to be believed ... hahahaha
:smile: :p :biggrin:}

Hmmm 2nd weekend promo
- Spain just happens to be among my desired destinations - also Greece and a whole host of other countries/places .....
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::rolleyes:


AND I'll be back in time from my genting-malaccan trip the following Deepavali weekend
- for the 5th - 7th Nov Wild Cash weekend too :smile:


While not going to place too much hope on these
These free promos DO somehow provide 'variation & interest' AND this time round the draw hours are NOT that taxing as like in the last Blazing 3s ....

Wah!!! 206 free bonus entries... i only get 67.... :p how to fight with jjcc... :p
 
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