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WHAT IS ISLAMOPHOBIA? CHINA HAS THE ANSWER
15 OCT 2017


WEST IGNORES ISLAMOPHOBIA IN CHINA—IN THE GOVERNMENT AS WELL AS AMONG PEOPLE—DUE TO CHINA’S ECONOMIC CLOUT.
Four years before the Liberals pushed M-103, a non-binding motion against Islamophobia, through the House of Commons, the Liberal leader Justin Trudeau admired China’s “basic dictatorship” at a Toronto fundraiser. Trudeau was asked which nation’s administration he most admired. “There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar,” Trudeau said.

Many have argued that the motion against Islamophobia left the term vague, and it was not clear whether the motion was against any criticism of Islam or hate targeted at Muslims. With his admiration for China’s “basic dictatorship”, Trudeau could have helped his party MP Iqra Khalid, who brought the motion, better define the term.

China’s suppression of its Muslim community could tell western leaders how Islamophobia actually works. But maybe they are not too willing to know, given China’s rising global clout. If M-301 were to be brought in China, there would be little scope for any ambiguity or vagueness.

After it brutally suppressed the Tibetans, China is now trying to discipline its 21 million Muslims, most of whom—the Uyghurs—live in the restive Xinjiang province.

After it brutally suppressed the Tibetans, China is now trying to discipline its 21 million Muslims, most of whom—the Uyghurs—live in the restive Xinjiang province. China claims—not without a degree of truth—that it is cracking down on the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), the militants linked to ISIS. In March, ISIS militants from the Uighur community resolved to return home and “shed blood like rivers,” as reported by US-based SITE Intelligence Group, a militant-tracking firm. Chinese President Xi Jinping responded by vowing to build a “great wall of steel” to protect Xinjiang province.

China’s may have a valid reason for a crackdown on hardliners among the Uyghurs but the way it goes about doing this is shocking.
In April, the Chinese government banned certain Muslim names in the region such as ‘Arafat’ and ‘Jihad’ but also ‘Muhammad’, the name of the prophet, perhaps the commonest name among Muslims. It’s like banning Christians from naming their children ‘Jesus’ or ‘Mark’ or ‘Mathew’.
In July, Meituan Takeaway, China’s leading restaurant delivery company, launched a halal service. “We have a halal box and non-halal box, so you don’t need to worry,” the company’s ad said.

On its smartphone app, Meitaun put a small green button marked with a mosque. By pressing this button, customers could request that halal dishes be kept separate from orders containing pork or alcohol, which are banned under Islamic law.
Many among the Han majority community (92% of China’s total population) called for boycotting Meituan Takeaway which had to withdrew the service.

Recently, an Uyghur Muslim was sentenced to two years of imprisonment. His crime? He had formed online discussion groups to teach about Islam. Huang Shike was arrested in 2016 in Xinjiang province after he formed a discussion group about Muslim worship on messaging app WeChat.
Last month, the Chinese government asked Muslims in Xinjiang to hand over copies of the Quran and even prayer mats. People were warned they would be punished harshly if these items were found on them later.

“The announcements say that people must hand in any prayer mats of their own accord to the authorities, as well as any religious reading matter, including anything with the Islamic moon and star symbol on it,” Dilxat Raxit, a spokesman for the exile World Uyghur Congress was quoted in a media report.

The Chinese government had to ban a few derogatory terms recently after a tide of Islamophobia on social media. “The Islamophobic terms invented by Chinese Internet users to stigmatize Muslims have been blocked by authorities on Chinese social media despite criticism from the netizens that such a ban overtly favourable to Muslim minorities,” state-run Global Times reported.
The Uyghur Muslims are a Turkic-speaking ethnic group. The Xinjiang province has seen tensions between the Uyghurs and the Han Chinese, most of whom came and settled in the province from other parts of China.

The Chinese government thinks radicalisation among the Uyghurs would eventually grow and create a major separatist movement.

In July 2009, there was a series of violent riots over several days in Urumqi, the capital city of Xinjiang in which hundreds of Uyghurs targeted the Han. Nearly 200 people got killed, most of whom were the Han. The Chinese government thinks radicalisation among the Uyghurs would eventually grow and create a major separatist movement. It blames Arabaisation of its ethnic Muslims for emergence of radicals. All its curbs on religious expression are aimed at assimilating the Muslim minority into the Chinese national culture. However, its Islamophobia cannot be justified by stretch of logic. What emboldens China is its growing global clout and its power to buy silence of western leaders, most of whom cry themselves hoarse over Islamophobia in their own countries.

In June, Greece blocked a European Union statement at the United Nations criticizing China’s human rights record. Greece blocked the statement, calling it “unconstructive criticism of China”. China bought a 51 percent stake in Greece’s largest port last year. Hungary, another recipient of Chinese investment, too has blocked EU statements criticizing China’s rights record several times. In fact, Europe is now moving towards China to forge an alliance against the U.S. on trade and climate change especially as the US seems to be withdrawing from its role as a world leader.

The history of Muslim separatism in China goes back to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the formation of many Muslim states in Central Asia. China had suppressed Muslim separatism with brute force.

Many Central-Asian countries have taken extreme measures to curb Arabisation of native Muslims.

Tajikistan, a Muslim-majority state in Central Asia, shaved ‘Islamic’ beards of nearly 13,000 of its citizens two years ago in a bid to curb radicalism. Tajikistan sees radical Islamic ideas from neighbouring Afghanistan influencing its people. Many Central-Asian countries have taken extreme measures to curb Arabisation of native Muslims. In April, President of Kazakhstan, a Muslim-majority country, called for a ban on black Muslim clothing as well as Muslim beards. “As a result of illiteracy, our young people let grow their beards and cut their pants. A number of Kazakh girls completely covering themselves with black clothes increases. This neither corresponds to our traditions nor our people. It is necessary to work out the ban at the legislative level. Kazakhs wear black clothes during mourning time,” the President said according to his official website. He was talking about Arabisation of local ethnic Muslims which in due time radicalises them.

But the case of Central-Asian countries is different from China’s where Uyghurs are in tension with the Han people and the government too is predominantly Han. Majority of the population in these Central-Asian countries is Muslim and the state otherwise grants freedom of religion.
Trudeau’s admiration for China, and of so many other western leaders, does not go with their stance on Islamophobia. Islamophobia is not what they talk about but what they ignore.

By Gagandeep Ghuman

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jerome henen12 MONTHS AGO(Reply)

‘Islamophobia’ is a made up term to prevent any criticism of islam. It is deliberately undefined and fluid.

Peter Lee11 MONTHS AGO(Reply)

Doesn’t Japan also ban Islam? Countries where the practice of Islam teaches a certain percentage seem to have problems. A lot of problems.

But Trudeau – and other leaders – should condemn China – for all of the brutality of the regime. And there is a great deal.



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Much as I dislike tiongs I have to admit they are the few govts who got the balls to deal with this cancer decisively.
Others being the Burmas and Thais....who go hardcore on them.
 

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Before xi, there was no problems with muslims in china.
Nut this forced assimilation thing will create one. Especially when they import millions of hans to uighyr homeland in xinjiang. It could be a attack on china's assets and interest overseas such as their airlines or tourists.by uighyr sympathisers.
 

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It's good news that mudslimes don't even bother with these issues in ah tiong land. Good thing ah tiong land practice these divide n conquer policies. If not mudslimes will cause even more problems.
 

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Before xi, there was no problems with muslims in china.
Nut this forced assimilation thing will create one. Especially when they import millions of hans to uighyr homeland in xinjiang. It could be a attack on china's assets and interest overseas such as their airlines or tourists.by uighyr sympathisers.
The Uighur mudslime are Turkic mudslimes where by the majority are the Sunny mudslimes. The majority don't give a shit about these Turks tat is why till date terrorism by these mobs are minimal bcos no one supports them...so I would not worry about these bunch of trouble makers.ah tiong land has a free reign in controlling them.
 

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How China's mass detention of Uyghur Muslims stemmed from the 2009 Urumqi riots
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Dramatic scenes from Urumqi a decade ago has had a long lasting impact on China's Uyghur Muslims.
REUTERS: NIR ELIAS
The riots that led to some of China's worst ethnic violence and set the wheels in motion for today's internment camps in Xinjiang began in the most unlikely of places: a toy factory.
Key points:
  • Tensions between Uyghur Muslims and Han Chinese people has simmered for decades
  • The Urumqi riots of 2009 marked a turning point in Xinjiang, which has become a surveillance state
  • There are reports of more than 1 million Uyghurs are being detained in re-education camps
July 5 marks the 10th anniversary of the Urumqi riots, which pitted Uyghur Muslims against Han Chinese on the streets of Xinjiang's capital.
The Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking minority from Central Asia, are a distinct ethnic group from Han Chinese, with Urumqi being closer to Kabul than Beijing.
The riots started out as a peaceful protest but descended into looting, beatings and killings of Chinese people, with deaths occurring on both sides.
What unfolded a decade ago has had long-lasting consequences, with reports of more than 1 million Uyghur Muslims being detained in re-education campsand Xinjiang transforming into a surveillance state.
What happened on July 5?
PHOTO Uyghur protesters clashed with Han Chinese people in July 2009 during outbreaks of deadly ethnic violence.
REUTERS: NIR ELIAS

In late June 2009, a disgruntled worker posted a rumour online that a Han Chinese woman had been sexually assaulted by Uyghur migrant workers in a toy factory in Shaoguan, in China's south-east.
In response, some Chinese workers cornered and beat Uyghurs in the factory, killing at least two of them.
China's frontier of fear

Satellite imagery lifts the lid on the size and spread of China's internment camps, used to indoctrinate vast numbers of the Xinjiang region's Muslim population.
Footage of the attacks spread swiftly online and, almost 4,000 kilometres away in the north-western region of Xinjiang, ethnic tensions reached boiling point.
Uyghur students staged a demonstration in Urumqi, where some claim police fired live ammunition on protesters, sparking the riots.
Chinese authorities reported that 197 people — the majority of them Han Chinese — were killed in the resulting violence and 1,700 people were injured.
In the following days, mobs of Han Chinese people took to the streets with sticks and metal bars, meting out revenge in attacks on Uyghurs.
It was the deadliest unrest in decades, but the figures are hotly disputed — some Uyghurs in exile suggesting thousands may have been killed in the reprisals.
The Chinese Embassy in Australia said the July 5 incident was a "serious and violent crime" that had partly been "plotted and incited" by outside forces and resulted in the loss of innocent lives.
The embassy said after the incident authorities "took decisive measures in accordance with law to ease the tension, protect local people's safety and property, and maintain social stability".
Haunting scenes remembered a decade on
PHOTO A Han Chinese man was one of more than 1,000 people injured in ethnic clashes in Urumqi in 2009.
REUTERS: DAVID GRAY

London-based poet and researcher Aziz Isa Elkun was bathing his two small children when he heard a loud noise and peered out the window.
"I saw smoke rising from fire. Live gunshots, screaming," he said.​
The following day, he saw people using water to wash the blood from the street near Xinjiang university.
Alip Erkin, who runs the Uyghur Bulletin from Australia, remembered his niece running home past corpses.
PHOTO A Uyghur man touches his son's injured chest after he was beaten during ethnic clashes in Urumqi in 2009.
REUTERS: DAVID GRAY

One Uyghur asylum seeker in Australia, who asked to be known simply as Abu for fear of reprisals against his family members still in Xinjiang, recalled eerie scenes of an overturned car and seeing lifeless bodies on the street.
He saw a Uyghur man die from a bullet wound and remembers an older woman draping him in a white funerary shroud that she had prepared for herself.
"Until that time, I was in disbelief. But I saw [it with] my own eyes," Abu said.​
Later, he watched police enter his neighbourhood and round up dozens of Uyghur men, pulling their shirts over their heads and tying their hands behind their backs with belts.
Long-simmering tensions
PHOTO Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang are heavily monitored by the Chinese Government.
REUTERS

The Urumqi riots marked a turning point for the Uyghurs, but ethnic tensions had been simmering for decades, if not centuries.
For more than 200 years, Uyghurs and Chinese have been locked in political turmoil, with Uyghurs fighting to maintain control as China expanded westward.
China's war on religion

Banned bibles, burnt crosses, and re-education camps — denomination aside, religion is a dangerous pursuit in Xi Jinping's China in 2018.
Uyghurs briefly declared the East Turkestan Republic in 1933 and again 1944 — enjoying fleeting moments of independence.
But the area was brought under complete communist control in 1949 — when the People's Republic of China was established — and later renamed the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.
Despite the name, it is tightly controlled by Beijing.
During Chairman Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and 1970s, religion was banned under communism — mosques were razed and copies of the Quran were destroyed.
Recent decades have been marked by separatist violence and Government crackdowns, with a shift in the ethnic make-up of Xinjiang compounding tensions.
State-sponsored migration saw the Han Chinese population there swell from less than 7 per cent in 1949 to 40 per cent now, while the Uyghur population dropped from 75 per cent to about 45 per cent.
Past violence used to justify mass camps
PHOTO Riot police clashed with members of the Uyghur Muslim population in Xinjiang in the capital Urumqi.
AFP: PETER PARKS

The riots, and the subsequent reprisals, catapulted the situation in Xinjiang onto the global stage.
It was distinct in the unprecedented role the internet played in fuelling the violence with the rapid spread of information and has been used as a justification for a shift in China's treatment of ethnic minorities, according to La TrobeUniversity's James Leibold.
'Like lambs waiting to be killed'

Since last spring, several hundred thousand and possibly more than a million ethnic minorities — mostly Uyghur — in Xinjiang have been interned in mass detention facilities.
"A lot of those people calling for a change in ethnic policy saw the Urumqi riots as a kind of turning point," he said.
"Examples of instability are used as a way to kind of demonstrate what I call an 'accommodationist' or practical set of policies had failed."
A chain of factors formed the dry tinder that sparked the horrific violence, Dr Leibold said, including the economic marginalisation of Uyghurs, the erosion of their language and the slipping away of their autonomy.
In the past, China has vehemently denied that Uyghurs are unfairly marginalised, but it rings true in Abu's experience.
Abu said ethnic policy in Xinjiang had been a "total failure", and said while he could not defend the actions of Uyghurs who beat Han Chinese, he said the violence was seen as "inevitable".
"I can't just mix my Uyghur identity to this issue, saying Uyghurs didn't commit crimes — they did commit crime there at that time," he said.
"But we were isolated from China basically … jobs had been taken away and we were discriminated against.
"Eventually you will have some resistance, even if it seems as though you have control of the entire society."​
Turning up the heat on ethnic assimilation
PHOTO A mass stabbing attack at Kunming railway station in 2014 was dubbed "China's 9/11" by state-run media.
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Urumqi "demonstrated to many Han Chinese officials that a new approach was needed —that they needed to turn up the flames on ethnic assimilation, that they needed to push harder on bilingual education, push harder on securitising and surveilling ethnic communities," Dr Leibold said.
China's anti-terror measures were cemented after bursts of further violence, notably in 2012 and in 2014, when Uyghur separatists executed a series of bomb blasts in Xinjiang, and dozens were killed when Muslim extremists went on astabbing rampage at a train station in Kunming.
In the era of President Xi Jinping, China's approach has taken a more assimilative turn, with the most coercive aspect being Xinjiang's re-education camps, Dr Leibold said.
"We've seen the autonomous spaces in China rapidly disappear, as the state inserts themselves and their eyes and ears into the private lives of Chinese citizens, whether they be minority or Han," he said.​
China has dismissed accusations of mass internment of Muslims as "gossip", and said it was "vocational training centres" are necessary to combat "rampant terrorism".
China's 'Muslim tracker'

China is closely monitoring 2.5 million people, exposing millions of records containing sensitive personal information on an unprotected online database.
"To bring the situation under control, continuous efforts have been made to eradicate extremism, resolutely ban illegal religion teaching and learning activities, and remove the breeding ground that allowed religious extremism to grow and spread," the embassy in Australia said in a statement.
It compared the centres to "boarding schools" that had worked in preventing violent attacks, and it denied Uyghurs' freedoms were restricted.
"The vocational education centres in Xinjiang are not concentration or re-education camps as portrayed in some media reports," the statement read.​
"One day, the centres won't even be there, when there is no need for them anymore."
But evidence of increased surveillance can be seen from space and has taken on a more technological bent, moving from police-prepared dossiers to installing facial recognition cameras in mosques and on the streets of Xinjiang.
A Guardian investigation this week found that Chinese border police were also secretly installing surveillance apps on the phones of tourists crossing into Xinjiang in order to download personal information and private emails, texts and contacts.
Today, the BBC reported China is using schools to deliberately separate Uyghur children from their parents and their cultural roots.
'They will be sent to the camps'

PHOTO A community notice board displays photos of missing Uyghur family members in China.
ABC NEWS: JOSHUA BOSCAINI

Mr Elkun said it took his young family more than a year "to recover from this nightmare" after the events of July 5.
But it didn't end there. In the years since, he said: "I lost all my family connections, all my friends … we feel as though we have lost everything."
The Urumqi riots and its aftermath were a personal turning point for Abu too, who said discrimination intensified after 2009.
Living abroad, he is mostly cut off from his father and two sisters who still live in Xinjiang.
"I want to contact them, but I can't. If I do that, they'll be sent to the camps," he said.​
In May last year, he received a message from his sister on WeChat. It said: "They are taking me".
Almost a year later, in April this year, he received a video call from his sister. He thinks she was speaking from a police station.
She told him they had been released but this was the last time they could speak.
"They didn't blame me," he said.
"Even though they have been detained just because of me, for almost a year. They didn't blame me."
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When a religion forces anyone to convert n claim there is no compulsion...Go think about it.
Its free choice.either convert or die. The person has the right to choose.

Plus those uighyrs and kazakhs would riot too when the population of pork eating Han suddenly exploded and threaten their homeland. Its just like importing 5 million ceca indians into singapura. Would you all like it?
 
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How China's orchestrated tours of Xinjiang echo the 'Potemkin villages' of authoritarian regimes
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PHOTO China's tours for diplomats and journalists paint a sanitised picture of Xinjiang, critics say. ABC NEWS: GRAPHIC BY JARROD FANKHAUSER
A young Uyghur woman smiles as she threads a needle to the backdrop of tinkling piano music.
"I have rid myself of extremist thought," another says, playing ping-pong.
Slick Chinese videos seek to counter the United Nations' finding that at least 1 million Uyghurs — a Turkic-speaking Muslim minority — are detained in internment camps in China's western region of Xinjiang.
But the centrepiece in China's propaganda apparatus is the orchestrated tour of Xinjiang — bringing journalists and diplomats inside their "vocational centres" to showcase young Uyghur men and women dressed in bright clothing as they sing and dance for the cameras.

The BBC's tour of China's 'thought transformation' camps
Last month, two dozen countries — including Australia — called on China to halt the "arbitrary detention" and "widespread surveillance and restriction" of Uyghurs and other minorities in Xinjiang.
But last week China hit back, saying ambassadors from 50 countries backed their stance on Xinjiang after taking state-sanctioned tours of what it calls "boarding schools".
"They saw a real Xinjiang with their own eyes," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying told reporters
In rhetoric echoing science-fiction notions of "pre-crime", China says the facilities are necessary to prevent terrorist acts before extremist thoughts can take root.
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PHOTO Uyghurs say pictures taken during Beijing's tours cannot be trusted. REUTERS: BEN BLANCHARD, FILE
The idea of the manufactured perspective has long been echoed throughout history from the propaganda playbooks of Nazi Germany to Russia's fabled "Potemkin villages", the fake structures designed to deceive the viewer into believing a situation is better than it really is.
Such tours have been a staple for communist authoritarian regimes in North Korea and Cambodia, in a bid to mask atrocities and dupe foreign observers.
Satellite images taken before and after the Government-arranged tour showed security structures like watch towers had been removed, and sporting fields installed.
Those images from space, paired with a scrawl of Uyghur graffiti that appeared to betray a sense of hopelessness, revealed cracks in the carefully crafted facade.
'Plausible deniability' and political illusion in Xinjiang
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PHOTO A photo posted to Xinjiang Judicial Administration's WeChat account in 2017 shows Uyghur detainees listening to a "de-radicalisation" speech. SUPPLIED: RFA
Beijing's tactics of using meticulously arranged scenarios and "scripted" interviews with guards standing within earshot echo Nazi Germany's window-dressing of its concentration camps for foreign observers, according to Magnus Fiskesjo, associate professor of anthropology at Cornell University.
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PHOTO Critics say staged scenarios in Xinjiang are an attempt to mask what's really happening to the Uyghurs. REUTERS: BEN BLANCHARD
He added that there had been a marked shift in the Chinese Government's tone, from denying the camps' existence to showcasing them as places of learning.
For example, an image of rows of men sitting behind barbed wire once circulated as domestic propaganda to whip up fear among Chinese citizens has since been scrubbed and replaced with people sitting at desks in a classroom, Mr Fiskesjo said.
"Looking closer at the images, you will notice that the detainees selected to appear in them, are almost all young and beautiful, including attractive young women — it's intentional," he told the ABC.
"In reality there are many, many old people in the real camps, as numerous refugees and other witnesses have told us."​
Researcher Adrian Zenz has written that the projection of Xinjiang contradicts China's own internal documents, which state the purpose of re-education centres is to "wash clean the brains" of those interned.
The orchestrated tours of Xinjiang are fraught as they allow Beijing to shape the way the Uyghur situation is portrayed in the media and "reduce the sense of urgency", Chinese Islam historian Rian Thum told the ABC.
"If the visual impression of what's happening there is the one created by the state in these camps — which are absolutely, demonstrably altered from what the normal camp experience is — it gives a false sense of what it's like there," he said.
He added China's tours weren't necessarily designed to win over critics — instead, they are effective and useful for people who have a view of China as a favoured alternative to American hegemony or for diplomats who needed to side with China for geopolitical reasons.
"It gives plausible deniability to people who have to say that these camps are good," he said.​
'Revolutionary romantics': The Khmer Rouge's Cambodia
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PHOTO Swede Gunnar Bergstrom was a rare visitor to Cambodia in 1978 during the Khmer Rouge regime. SUPPLIED: DC CAM
Gunnar Bergstrom knows first-hand what it's like to see and believe in a Potemkin village for the sake of ideology.
As an idealistic Maoist 27-year-old, the Swede was one of few Western tourists allowed to enter Cambodia in 1978 under the Khmer Rouge.
The regime killed an estimated 2 million people through a campaign of executions, forced labour and mass starvation, but Mr Bergstrom came back from his trip writing glowing articles about the communist utopia he witnessed.
He's since renounced that stance.
"We were wrong. We made the same mistakes as the people [who] visited Stalin and Hitler," he said.
He told the ABC that while the eerily empty cities gave him some misgivings at the time, he had "indoctrinated" himself and let himself be fooled by the smiling faces that greeted him on the tightly-controlled tour.
"We were revolutionary romantics, and when the Khmer Rouge talked about no money, no cities, no leadership with privileges, we wanted to believe that," he said.
"We had these distorted glasses to try to interpret what we saw."​
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PHOTO Elizabeth Becker at Angkor Wat in 1978 with journalist Richard Dudman (front right) and Malcolm Caldwell (back, second from left) who was murdered during the trip. SUPPLIED: ELIZABETH BECKER
Elizabeth Becker, one of just two journalists to enter Cambodia at the time, felt the weight of finding the truth in a country that was completely cut off from the rest of the world.
"It was like walking into a nightmare. Nothing was as it was before. It was totally orchestrated," she said.
There were flowers everywhere, the streets were clean, and her group would "accidentally on purpose" happen upon peasants singing as they toiled in a field.
When she snuck out to see things for herself and spotted malnourished children dressed in rags, officials were furious, she said.
A fellow traveller on the tour, British professor Malcolm Caldwell, was murdered the night before they were due to fly home.
Becker ended up reporting on what she didn't see — there were no monks in saffron robes at temples, no children playing in the streets, no people gossiping at markets.
"I was plagued by nightmares. I knew something horrible was going on. And all of this told me that they were hiding," she said.
"When you add up all that's missing, you are describing a totalitarian regime.​
"They can hide their prisons and the concentration camps … [but] look for the silences, the emptiness, because that's what they can't cover up."
'Western media portrays us as mindless robots': North Korea
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PHOTO Pyongyang's manicured streets mask the poverty of many of the country's people. FLICKR: HÉLÈNE VEILLEUX
North Korea is renowned for its sanitised tours for Westerners and its kitschy exports of song-and-dance restaurants.
But such tours can be risky, as demonstrated in the cases of American tourist Otto Warmbier — who was jailed for stealing a propaganda banner and died days after being transported home in a coma — and Australian student Alek Sigley, who ran North Korean tours but was detained and deported after being accused of spying, which he denied.
In her book Nothing to Envy, former Los Angeles Times reporter Barbara Demick describes being chaperoned at all times and "led along a well-worn path of monuments to the glorious leadership" of North Korean leaders during a 2005 tour of Pyongyang.
"North Korea takes the precaution of assigning two 'minders' to foreign visitors, one to watch the other so that they can't be bribed," she wrote.
"The minders spoke the same stilted rhetoric of the official news service … If I wanted answers to my questions, it was clear I wasn't going to get them inside North Korea. I had to talk to people who had left — defectors."
The stories she heard from the far northern city of Chongjin revealed widespread control and famine, with meagre meals being lengthened out with sawdust.
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PHOTO North Korea conducts controlled tours and exports song and dance routines. SUPPLIED: URI TOURS
But Vicky Xiuzhong Xu, who took a tour of North Korea as a Chinese tourist and later wrote about it for the ABC, said there was something to be gained from seeing the country first-hand and more nuance was needed unpacking the isolated nation's intricacies.
"These guides were saying: 'We don't understand why the Western media portrays us as mindless robots like we don't have our own minds … we believe in this, we want our own path'," she said.
"Authoritarian governments think they're all-controlling, but they're not.​
"There are so many things you can see if you want to during the controlled tour."
She said she was impressed by Pyongyang's beautiful streets and doubted it was possible to stage every detail, but notes she was quickly apprehended when she wandered away from her group.
"They didn't want us straying and seeing bad things, especially poverty," she said.
"I remember seeing a child walking in the snow barefoot, and that really left an impression."
'It's not true these things': Xinjiang scenes are 'like a movie'
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PHOTO Dilnur Abdurehim described a different reality to what China claims. SUPPLIED
Meanwhile, the Uyghur Association of Victoria told the ABC the growing body of witness accounts "flatly contradicts" China's narrative.
"The weight of evidence indicates that these are prison-like facilities in which millions of Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples are held involuntarily and without due process," UAV said, adding detainees were subjected to "brainwashing and coercion" in a bid to erase their culture and "reprogram" them.
China's depiction of Xinjiang couldn't detract further from what Melbourne-based Uyghur Gulnur Idreis knows from her sister Dilnur's experience.
Before Dilnur made contact with her in a brief and fearful exchange, Gulnur said she too might have believed the Chinese Government's claims that media reports were false.
Speaking to ABC's Four Corners program last month, she revealed her sister alleged hundreds were brought into a camp, shackled and handcuffed, and put to work in a textile factory.
This week, she told the ABC her sister had been told by officials that when foreign journalists visit, they were told to look happy, dance, and describe their detention as "a heaven".
"This is a fake drama, like a movie. It's not true, these things," she said.​
"I want to tell the Australian Government: please, please don't trust the Chinese [Government]."
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spotter542

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Am fucking glad that someone or government is standing in their way to prevent the spread of more cancer .
Even the land we live on was not spared the invasion of this cancerous religion .
Zheng He was being watched 24/7 during his voyage , he will be "silenced" if he made a wrong move back then .
Find this religion barbaric ; child bride , 72 Virgins :rolleyes: , circumcision , slavery etc etc.
Religion of peace my ass :FU:
 

syed putra

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Am fucking glad that someone or government is standing in their way to prevent the spread of more cancer .
Even the land we live on was not spared the invasion of this cancerous religion .
Zheng He was being watched 24/7 during his voyage , he will be "silenced" if he made a wrong move back then .
Find this religion barbaric ; child bride , 72 Virgins :rolleyes: , circumcision , slavery etc etc.
Religion of peace my ass :FU:
The only barbaric thing is the uighyrs firces to behave like chinese and eat horrid chinese food.
Xinjiang was peaceful until chinese started mass immigration turning what was majority uighyrs territory becoming minority in their homeland.
Only solutuon is to deport the chinese back to where they came from and not to turn uighyrs into people who behave like chinese.
 

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The only feasible way of dealing with violent Muslim terrorist so far is to forcibly break them up as a community and then combine with a carrots and stick approach of clamping down hard on any potential terrorist festering ground while at the same time improving the quality of living for these people.

The European all carrots no stick approach simply does not work since without any pressure to assimilate, the community simply backslides into its own clannish ways creating massive problems with the majority in the country.

The liberal bleeding hearts are not helping the situation by ignoring practical realities on the ground while hanging on to a "Islam is a religion of peace" mantra that most of their own people don't even believe in. This sort of counter intuitive moral preaching exacerbates the problem and gives plenty of ammunition to far right racists and xenophobes to articulate an alternate and equally wrong narrative.
 

syed putra

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uighyrs who are only defenfing their homeland from chinese invasion. Just like hongkies and taiwanese doing the same thing.
 

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Leaked Chinese government documents show details of Xinjiang clampdown: NYT
FILE PHOTO: Security personel stand in front of an armoured vehicle in Kashgar, Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region, China, March 24, 2017. REUTERS/Thomas Peter
17 Nov 2019 12:45PM
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BEIJING: A trove of leaked Chinese government documents reveals details of its clampdown on Uighurs and other Muslims in the country's western Xinjiang region under President Xi Jinping, the New York Times reported on Saturday (Nov 16).
United Nations experts and activists say at least 1 million Uighurs and members of other largely Muslim minority groups have been detained in camps in Xinjiang in a crackdown that has drawn condemnation from the United States and other countries.
The documents, which the newspaper said were leaked by "a member of the Chinese political establishment," show how Xi gave a series of internal speeches to officials during and after a 2014 visit to Xinjiang following a stabbing attack by Uighur militants at a train station that killed 31 people.
FILE PHOTO: A security camera is placed in a renovated section of the Old City in Kashgar, Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region, China September 6, 2018. REUTERS/Thomas Peter
The report said Xi called for an "all-out 'struggle against terrorism, infiltration, and separatism' using the 'organs of dictatorship,' and showing 'absolutely no mercy'."
The documents show that the Chinese leadership's fears were heightened by terrorist attacks in other countries and the U.S. drawdown of troops from Afghanistan.
It is unclear how the documents totalling 403 pages were gathered and selected, the newspaper said.
Beijing denies any mistreatment of the Uighurs or others in Xinjiang, saying it is providing vocational training to help stamp out Islamic extremism and separatism and teach new skills.
FILE PHOTO: Imams and government officials pass under security cameras as they leave the Id Kah Mosque during a government organised trip in Kashgar, Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region, China, January 4, 2019. CHINA-XINJIANG/ REUTERS/Ben Blanchard
China's Foreign Ministry did not immediately respond to a faxed request for comment from Reuters on Sunday.
The documents show how officials were given talking points to explain to returning university students that their family members had been taken away for training, and how the program faced pushback from some local officials, the report said.
They also show that the internment camps expanded quickly after Chen Quanguo was appointed in August 2016 as the party boss of the region, the report said. Chen had taken a tough line to quell restiveness against Communist Party rule during his previous posting in Tibet.
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The Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking minority from Central Asia, are a distinct ethnic group from Han Chinese, with Urumqi being closer to Kabul than Beijing.

The Uyghurs were once upon a time Buddhist, and hence, not so distinct from the chinks. They only lost their original chink buddhist confucian culture after Arab imperialism during the decline of the Tang Dynasty.

July 5 marks the 10th anniversary of the Urumqi riots, which pitted Uyghur Muslims against Han Chinese on the streets of Xinjiang's capital.
The Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking minority from Central Asia, are a distinct ethnic group from Han Chinese, with Urumqi being closer to Kabul than Beijing.
The riots started out as a peaceful protest but descended into looting, beatings and killings of Chinese people, with deaths occurring on both sides.

Quite similar with the riots in Singapore and mudland during the 1960s riots. The m&d police of the m&d government and the British responded by shooting only the chink rioters. Subsequently, abdul rahman and the pig mad hatter decided that the best way to end the riots was the capitulate to the islamists and give the m&d moslems special privileges. Non-moslem bumis of Sarawak were included for fun, but excluded in reality from nearly all the bumi privileges, especially those on scholarships and political power.

During Chairman Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution of the 1960s and 1970s, religion was banned under communism — mosques were razed and copies of the Quran were destroyed.

In mudland, with the islamists in power, m&d culture was further banned by the mosques, with the madrassahs running brainwashing ideology that m&d culture should be discarded in favour of arabic ones.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...odern-twist-traditional-kelantan-ban-11894408

So the issue is fairness. Why is it okay for moslems to discriminate and ban and carry out cultural genocide, but wrong to do the same to moslems?
 
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Maybe the turk and kazakh,who were allies of mongols during genhis khan, come up with new china invasion plan.
 

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Am fucking glad that someone or government is standing in their way to prevent the spread of more cancer .
Even the land we live on was not spared the invasion of this cancerous religion .
Zheng He was being watched 24/7 during his voyage , he will be "silenced" if he made a wrong move back then .
Find this religion barbaric ; child bride , 72 Virgins :rolleyes: , circumcision , slavery etc etc.
Religion of peace my ass :FU:

Stinkyland is Malay territory.

Tiongs are and were historically barbaric.

Eating pig trotters and monkey brains might have damaged your cranial capacity.

Where do you see 72 virgins? In Geylang? Where Tiong harlots populate?

Funny you continue to stay in stinkypore then.

If you didnt know, Prabowo the hardliner who served in Kopassus is the new Indon defence minister Menhan.

Jiuhu and Indon can join forces together to squeeze stinky until you bleed dry. Or your eyes pop out, so to speak.


https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/...efence-minister-prabowo-meets-mohamad-sabu-kl

Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo meets with Mohamad Sabu in KL
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Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto (left), who is on a two-day visit to Malaysia, met with his local counterpart, Mohamad Sabu, for a Malaysia-Indonesia bilateral meeting here, on Thursday. - NSTP/ASYRAF HAMZAH
By Bernama, New Straits Times - November 15, 2019 @ 8:49am

KUALA LUMPUR: Indonesian Defence Minister Prabowo Subianto, who is on a two-day visit to Malaysia, met with his local counterpart, Mohamad Sabu, for a Malaysia-Indonesia bilateral meeting here, on Thursday.
The two ministers, who met at Wisma Perwira here, exchanged views on the dynamic aspects of the global security landscape – in particular, non-traditional security threats.
“Another matter discussed was the threat of terrorism, which has become the focus of the two countries,” Mohamad Sabu said at a press conference following the meeting.
He added that Malaysia has regarded Indonesia as its closest and most important neighbour in 62 years of diplomatic ties.
Prabowo, meanwhile, expressed confidence that Malaysia and Indonesia could forge various new areas of defence cooperation in the future.
“I believe that our defence relationship is improving... we share the same views and will look for new areas of defence cooperation, such as in the defence technical industry,” he added.
This is Prabowo’s first visit to Malaysia following his appointment as minister on Oct 23.

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Iran, under the most stringent sanctions and embargo, for decades, at a stretch has produced the Bavar 373 air defence systems, which is not even its best system.

And Shahid Hassan Tehrani Moghadam, who died in an explosion in 2011 (almost 9 years ago) was reportedly working on an ICBM (to target the USA/any other country on the planet, obviously).

Now, just a few days ago, it's been revealed finally this was the 2nd stage of the Qaem SLV. Can be turned into a ballistic missile easily. A monster stage. I am pretty sure Malaysia/Indonesia can do some barter trade, or some discreet trade using middlemen, to gain tech transfer :biggrin:

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I dun like Tiongs but I dislike mozzies even more.
I support Tiongs in this endeavour. They are the lesser of 2 evils

everybody dislikes you even more

little does it matter who you support.

Nusantara will be established.

Iran has got ICBM and thermonuclear bombs. Done and dusted.

Next it is up to Turkey to do so. Otherwise, no hope.

Indon got Prabowo as Menhan/Min of Defence.

Hardliner from Kopassus.

Expect some deal for tech transfer, secretive or not.



 

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The Uyghurs were once upon a time Buddhist, and hence, not so distinct from the chinks. They only lost their original chink buddhist confucian culture after Arab imperialism during the decline of the Tang Dynasty.

Nothing original or authentic about Buddhism.

The fact that Buddhist countries are all shitholes, Buddhism is not a religion but more of a philosophy, a wretched ideology, tells us why Buddhism does not find many adherents.

Tiongs were influenced by Buddhism but never in huge numbers. It also tells us that even slit eyed chinks were not dumb enough to fall for it.

Arabs gave the Tang Dynasty a beating during the Battle of Talas, which the Arabs won of course.

Notwithstanding that, Tiongkok has no claim whatsoever on East Turkestan or Uighurstan. East Turkestan was only annexed by Tiongs by sending hordes upon hordes of slit eyed slanty pig trotter munching hare brained morons to take over pristine, resource rich land.




Quite similar with the riots in Singapore and mudland during the 1960s riots. The m&d police of the m&d government and the British responded by shooting only the chink rioters. Subsequently, abdul rahman and the pig mad hatter decided that the best way to end the riots was the capitulate to the islamists and give the m&d moslems special privileges. Non-moslem bumis of Sarawak were included for fun, but excluded in reality from nearly all the bumi privileges, especially those on scholarships and political power.


Stinky chinks don't even belong to the region.

Chinks don't belong to Melayu Nusantara. Good news for you, Prabowo the hardliner former Kopassus member and Suharto's son in law, has become the Menhan/Min of Defence.

No matter if he wins next election or loses, he has the opportunity to make an example out of Stinkypore. Working with Jiuhu already.

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/11/538880/prabowo-recalls-childhood-days-kl

Chink kafir dogs like you are pushing your luck. Another May 1998 is in the offing.

Jiuhu is just too small to be a great power. Not so with Indonesia. With 270 million people, it is about as populous as Iran, Turkey and Egypt - put together.

Or about as big as the United States and bigger than Brazil, Pakistan, Russia, Japan, Germany, France, UK, South Korea, Thailand, Myanmar, Australia, Canada, Spain, Italy or Poland. Not to mention dot sized Pee Sai. :biggrin:


In order to play a geopolitical role commensurate with its area, population, potential, and with a burgeoning and rapidly advancing economy and industry, Indonesia had better be as strong militarily as Iran, Turkey and Egypt combined.

Enough to turn Pee-Sai to dust. Pfft...

Even if Tiongs, Ah Nehs, Yankees or other poodles dare to intervene, Jiuhu aligned with Indon under the banner of Nusantara, if it gets its act together, should be as strong as Iran, Turkey and Egypt combined.

Enough to turn Pee-Sai to dust....fine dust.

In mudland, with the islamists in power, m&d culture was further banned by the mosques, with the madrassahs running brainwashing ideology that m&d culture should be discarded in favour of arabic ones.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...odern-twist-traditional-kelantan-ban-11894408

So the issue is fairness. Why is it okay for moslems to discriminate and ban and carry out cultural genocide, but wrong to do the same to moslems?

154th media.

Much rather trust KCNA and Rodong Sinmun.

Why not Global Times or Xinhua next?

NB Now that I notice, KCNA and Chennai News Ahneh share the CNA acronym.

Maybe Kim Jong Un copied from dead old fart Harry Lee. Kim's is just the Kimchi version of CNA? Kimchi-CNA?
 

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It’s important for the future of mankind that mozzies be culled.
It’s a Herculean task but more humane way maybe banished all to Africa and let them rot or kill each other there. The world will be a better place with all of them wipe out from the face of this earth
 
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