Advice on Tesla

[nayr69sg]

Autopark.

The ability to lane center, stop and go in a traffic jam.

Those nice big glass windshields and roofs.

The lack of interest in fuel cell goes to show it isnt about the environment. Haha.

 

[nayr69sg]

FORD MachE is a 5 seater only.

 

[nightsafari]

Autopark.

quite a few have this

The ability to lane center, stop and go in a traffic jam.

all the german brands have this as an option. some mass market cars have this.

Those nice big glass windshields and roofs.

yah now you talking! in sinkieland people will be running away from it. in canada everybody wants it. just make sure you have panorama roofs. Available almost everywhere. Funnily, both Toyota and Ford in general have not been big on it. Mercedes a few years ago had a totally glass roof that darkened only. I dunno what became of it.

Just recently, I was driving an SQ5. Best car I've driven in a long time. Ticks all of the boxes above. Lane centering is awesome. Stop and go is not 100% exactly likely tesla's autopilot. If stopped for more than a few seconds, it will require you to touch a switch affirm drive-off. Whereas I believe Tesla's just go's. But I can't remember if it had autopark. Thing is Autopark is available even on a Ford Escape for most of the last decade... Even a Hyundai I test drove had lane centering... If you need more than 5 seats can go to a GLS Merc.

The lack of interest in fuel cell goes to show it isnt about the environment. Haha.

yup. it's consumer interest. and Elon is spot on with what the customer wants.

 

[nayr69sg]

quite a few have this



all the german brands have this as an option. some mass market cars have this.



yah now you talking! in sinkieland people will be running away from it. in canada everybody wants it. just make sure you have panorama roofs. Available almost everywhere. Funnily, both Toyota and Ford in general have not been big on it. Mercedes a few years ago had a totally glass roof that darkened only. I dunno what became of it.

Just recently, I was driving an SQ5. Best car I've driven in a long time. Ticks all of the boxes above. Lane centering is awesome. Stop and go is not 100% exactly likely tesla's autopilot. If stopped for more than a few seconds, it will require you to touch a switch affirm drive-off. Whereas I believe Tesla's just go's. But I can't remember if it had autopark. Thing is Autopark is available even on a Ford Escape for most of the last decade... Even a Hyundai I test drove had lane centering... If you need more than 5 seats can go to a GLS Merc.



yup. it's consumer interest. and Elon is spot on with what the customer wants.

Actually when you compare all the features. Glass roofs. Huge center screen. Full digital. Autopilot.

Nice sleek body.

EV torque and motor.

Price.

Actually Tesla's Model 3 and soon to come Model Y is hard to beat.

You can get the long range Model 3 with autopilot for CAD$76k.

The Model Y AWD with 7 seater configuration and autopilot is CAD$86k.

Price wise hard to find anything comparable. And in most cases it will cost more for a more ugly looking car with less sleek interior.

The porsche taychan looks ugly to me. And the interior dash is primitive. And I bet it costs way more.

MachE looks the most promising but we have no idea if the interior electronics will even work and it will cost more than the Tesla Model 3. Both are 5 seaters.

 

[rocket]

Tesla may have been on Autopilot in California crash which killed two
Authorities assign investigation team that specializes in Autopilot system incidents to inspect Tesla Model S that hit Honda Civic
Associated Press in Gardena, California
Wed 1 Jan 2020 08.38 EST

 

[nayr69sg]

Teslas in NZ are well established. I have a friend who owns one.

I would buy one too in a flash if it wasn't for the poor reliability. The car is great when everything works. When something goes wrong be prepared for long periods of downtime because the after sales service lags far behind the technological advancement.

How is your friend's experience? Lots of problem with his Tesla?

 

[nayr69sg]

 

[eatshitndie]

i decided against tesla or any full electric auto (without any gas backup) because of 2 main issues that have becum full blown disasters in sillycon valley: (1) too many tesla owners now and they clog and hog tesla-provided fast charging stations so much so that tesla has to tell them to fuck off or pay a price; (2) lack of or practically non-existent 3rd party repair shops that can handle both minor and major issues with tesla autos. in (1), can you imagine driving to carmel and not finding any available charging stations 169 miles into a 300-mile range? that’s what is happening to many tesla owners from sf. techie millionaires yaya papaya drive out of town for weekend getaway and kena stuck waiting for charging stations to clear which can take hours or even the entire day. in (2), if you can’t find a shop, mechanic or technician who is certified and qualified to fix your tesla issues nearby the next best and often only alternative is to make an appointment with tesla and have the auto checked and repaired at the tesla factory (fremont), but it can take months. the worst alternative is to drive out of state to nevada to get an available certified mechanic. what if the auto cannot go more than 6.9 inches? get tow truck but tow truck will need an address to dump your tesla somewhere, and that can easily be at least a 6.9-week wait until you hear someone calling you about your abandoned tesla.

 

[Leongsam]

How is your friend's experience? Lots of problem with his Tesla?

Nothing major but dashboard rattles on rough chip seal roads and autopilot does not work properly on NZ's winding rural roads. It is currently most suited for highway navigation.

 

[tanwahtiu]

Since u are car chng expert... dont hv to change oil every 5K servicing toyota hybrid car.

With 90% run on battery the hybrid car combustion engine does not fire but the pistons only follow. No combustion means engine oil does not burn or change and deterororiate, and so is the oil filter.

Suggest change oil and filter very 50k service.. wabt to push this question to toyota...

Stay away from Tesla.

The car itself is put together badly. There have been reports of bumpers falling off in the rain. Those Model X falcon doors also had issues with leaks.

The single worst feature of the car is also it's most impressive : autopilot.

autopilot right now is not fully realized and tested. Try and think of someone rushing out a treatment or drug based on a single study without approvals and that's what autopilot is. Whilst it functions most of the time, there are times when it will just drive into oncoming traffic, off the road and directly into a semi that's making a turn across you. In other words, you can trust it 95-99% of the time, but the 1% will be disastrous. It is not fail-safe. It is fail-spectacular. And you would be a beta tester. Like most of Elon's things, it's big on flash and appeal but low on development and testing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradte...o-they-learn-from-past-mistakes/#46f33ed32f2e

And oh, the doors on a Tesla are electrically powered and secured. This wonderful idea has an unique achilles heel. In the event of a crash that disables the electrical circuit in the car, those doors will not open. There has been at least one human barbecue in a Tesla because of this. A doctor no less... I think there was another a few years ago.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/man-burned-alive-fiery-tesla-crash-door-open/story?id=66498159

What is impressive about electric cars is the motors. Amazing response and torque. But those are not unique to Tesla. For a while, nobody took it seriously so nobody bothered developing electrics, but because Elon proved that there was demand, everybody is jumping in if a little late. I would be more inclined to buy an electric car that's not a death trap.

I am interested in electrics too, but I am waiting for one that fits the bill. I dunno how much you wish to spend on said car, but the top end is the Porsche Taycan. Just saw it the other day. Coming a little further down, it's the Audi e-tron which I think may be a bit boring if you're looking for something to wow you. I did try the Kona electric and the chevy bolt, but they may be a little cheap for your tastes.

But the car I think that will seriously bring electrics into the mainstream is the Ford Mustang Mach-E. I think that's the killer app in the electric car world and if anyone wants an electric car, I think that's the one to get. I'm also thinking of buying one as well. The VW id3 is also awesome but not available in Canada for a while. VW's first offering is going to be the Crozz which I think doesn't quite hit the spot as well as the Mach E or an id3. Also MB has the EQC coming soon, but I have no idea how well it will work. My favourite horse that I'm betting on is the Mach E. Great range, spectacular performance specs and right price point. Go check it out when you bring your Expedition in for a service.

For the record, Toyota and Honda are really dragging their feet on electric cars. They think it's a passing flight of fancy and think what buyers want is better fuel economy. Unfortunately, they are thinking with engineering. Buyers think as consumers. As a doctor, you should know that the solution that's actually best for people will not be the one they choose. More often, what's easiest, most convenient and most immediately rewarding is what people mostly choose. Medication vs lifestyle changes?

There are two problems with electrics that will not go away in the immediate future. laksaboy mentions solid state. Lithium ion batteries have spontaneously combusted in all brands of electric cars and even in planes. Small probability, but it happens. One spectacular example a Hyundai in QC even blew the garage doors across the street and a hole in the roof of the house. And it was not charging at the time.... And yes, if that happens with you in a Tesla, you get to sit inside and watch the whole thing. I'm on the fence about this, but if you can wait for solid state, maybe 5-15 years down the road, it will be safer. Links below.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont...e-and-explodes-in-île-bizard-garage-1.5227665

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28420...n-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight

The other problem is a bit minor but drives me personally nuts. Electric cars have a huge amount of mass because of the battery pack. This mass is hard to control motion wise so you get a harder ride than an equivalent gas car. I'm getting old so a car with a good ride is damn important to me.

Hope this helps. If you want to talk cars, I can spend the whole day yakking...

 

[nayr69sg]

Nothing major but dashboard rattles on rough chip seal roads and autopilot does not work properly on NZ's winding rural roads. It is currently most suited for highway navigation.

Which model does he have?

 

[nayr69sg]

i decided against tesla or any full electric auto (without any gas backup) because of 2 main issues that have becum full blown disasters in sillycon valley: (1) too many tesla owners now and they clog and hog tesla-provided fast charging stations so much so that tesla has to tell them to fuck off or pay a price; (2) lack of or practically non-existent 3rd party repair shops that can handle both minor and major issues with tesla autos. in (1), can you imagine driving to carmel and not finding any available charging stations 169 miles into a 300-mile range? that’s what is happening to many tesla owners from sf. techie millionaires yaya papaya drive out of town for weekend getaway and kena stuck waiting for charging stations to clear which can take hours or even the entire day. in (2), if you can’t find a shop, mechanic or technician who is certified and qualified to fix your tesla issues nearby the next best and often only alternative is to make an appointment with tesla and have the auto checked and repaired at the tesla factory (fremont), but it can take months. the worst alternative is to drive out of state to nevada to get an available certified mechanic. what if the auto cannot go more than 6.9 inches? get tow truck but tow truck will need an address to dump your tesla somewhere, and that can easily be at least a 6.9-week wait until you hear someone calling you about your abandoned tesla.

Yeah the car owner would send us a message 6.9 seconds before the supercharging is done to tell us to go back to car and drive off please.

Las Vegas has many supercharging stations. We never had to wait to find an available supercharger.

Maybe because we rented the car Dec 24, 25, 26. Roads were much quieter.

 

[nightsafari]

Actually when you compare all the features. Glass roofs. Huge center screen. Full digital. Autopilot.

Nice sleek body.

EV torque and motor.

Price.

Actually Tesla's Model 3 and soon to come Model Y is hard to beat.

You can get the long range Model 3 with autopilot for CAD$76k.

The Model Y AWD with 7 seater configuration and autopilot is CAD$86k.

Price wise hard to find anything comparable. And in most cases it will cost more for a more ugly looking car with less sleek interior.

The porsche taychan looks ugly to me. And the interior dash is primitive. And I bet it costs way more.

MachE looks the most promising but we have no idea if the interior electronics will even work and it will cost more than the Tesla Model 3. Both are 5 seaters.

all good, but two issues that I personally still can't deal with :

1. autopilot which is still not foolproof
2. no way out of car that has crashed

and that's not including spontaneous combustion lithium ion batteries.

However, if it's largely about user experience on things such as beauty as you mentioned, no arguments from me. except that the 7 seater model y... well you should see the last two seats first before you decide...

 

[nightsafari]

I am largely in agreement with what he wrote plus I have the two dealbreakers mentioned in post above.

 

[nightsafari]

Since u are car chng expert... dont hv to change oil every 5K servicing toyota hybrid car.

With 90% run on battery the hybrid car combustion engine does not fire but the pistons only follow. No combustion means engine oil does not burn or change and deterororiate, and so is the oil filter.

Suggest change oil and filter very 50k service.. wabt to push this question to toyota...

actually that's not entirely true. a toyota hybrid actually fires pretty often in daily driving. I may be out of date, but the last hybrid I was in seemed to be firing 80% of the time unless driven real slowly.

Plus, if a car doesn't warm up totally, the oil deteriorates faster because combustion byproducts will enter the oil and degrade the oil quicker. When the oil heats up enough, all the water and acid that entered when cold will be driven off by heat. A lot of start stop may prevent proper warming up of the oil.

 

[Leongsam]

Which model does he have?

Model 3 he ordered it 12 months ago and got it in Oct.

 

[nayr69sg]

all good, but two issues that I personally still can't deal with :

1. autopilot which is still not foolproof
2. no way out of car that has crashed

and that's not including spontaneous combustion lithium ion batteries.

However, if it's largely about user experience on things such as beauty as you mentioned, no arguments from me. except that the 7 seater model y... well you should see the last two seats first before you decide...

Actually I only need 6 seater. The Model X 6 seater worked well for my family of 6.

 

[nightsafari]

Actually I only need 6 seater. The Model X 6 seater worked well for my family of 6.

good luck and let us know how it goes!

 

[nightsafari]

But Model X cad$140k is much more expensive than the coming Model Y cad$85k

prescribe more "meds"?

 

[nightsafari]

@nayr69sg

don't want to be a party pooper, but as I believe in dissemination of facts, this just came in today :

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-s-self-driving-autopilot-system-under-scrutiny-1.5413931

nonetheless, whichever way you decide, I'll be behind you all the way!