Advice on Tesla

[nayr69sg]

Hey @eatshitndie bro! Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to everyone too.

I drove a Tesla Model X for 3 days in Las Vegas last week.

I must say I am impressed with the car.

Very fun to drive. Love the instant torque and acceleration. Wife loves those cool rear doors that come out like a wing. They are smart too and it doesnt open out totally of their is a lower ceiling or obstacle on the side.

The autopilot was awesome. It really drives by itself. Steers the bends and curves. Also can slow down to a stop if required then move off again. We were in a traffic jam and it just took over.

It does ask for a slight force on the steering wheel now and again to make sure I am there and awake.

Has cool features like a xmas dance show. Yes the car literally does a dance!

We had the 6 seater and it could fit all 6 of us and all our luggage. The frunk can take 2 luggage. The back 4. The stroller went in between the seats in the back of the car.

The supercharging is a bit inconvenient but wasnt too bad really.

I just really like the autopilot. I think Tesla is coming up with upgrades to do street driving autopilot as well. Oh and the autopark! Fantastic!

I am eyeing either the Model X or Model Y as my next car.

Anyone can share any experiences with owning a Tesla. I know Tesla is not officially sold in sinkieland and the Model X costs half a million in sinkieland. In Canada it costs about $140k.

I dont really care for the EV side of it just the features! Elon Musk clever. He didnt just build EVs. He worked on the cool features so that even those like me would want the Tesla for the features and just so happens it is a EV.

Driving the Tesla feels a bit like driving bumper car. Press accelerator it goes! Foot off it will slow down and brake. No sound or noise.

Nice.

 

[laksaboy]

Forget about electric cars until solid state batteries replace lithium ion batteries in 3-5 years.

The technology will trickle down to PMDs and mobile phones too.

 

[Leongsam]

Hey @eatshitndie bro! Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to everyone too.

I drove a Tesla Model X for 3 days in Las Vegas last week.

I must say I am impressed with the car.

Very fun to drive. Love the instant torque and acceleration. Wife loves those cool rear doors that come out like a wing. They are smart too and it doesnt open out totally of their is a lower ceiling or obstacle on the side.

The autopilot was awesome. It really drives by itself. Steers the bends and curves. Also can slow down to a stop if required then move off again. We were in a traffic jam and it just took over.

It does ask for a slight force on the steering wheel now and again to make sure I am there and awake.

Has cool features like a xmas dance show. Yes the car literally does a dance!

We had the 6 seater and it could fit all 6 of us and all our luggage. The frunk can take 2 luggage. The back 4. The stroller went in between the seats in the back of the car.

The supercharging is a bit inconvenient but wasnt too bad really.

I just really like the autopilot. I think Tesla is coming up with upgrades to do street driving autopilot as well. Oh and the autopark! Fantastic!

I am eyeing either the Model X or Model Y as my next car.

Anyone can share any experiences with owning a Tesla. I know Tesla is not officially sold in sinkieland and the Model X costs half a million in sinkieland. In Canada it costs about $140k.

I dont really care for the EV side of it just the features! Elon Musk clever. He didnt just build EVs. He worked on the cool features so that even those like me would want the Tesla for the features and just so happens it is a EV.

Driving the Tesla feels a bit like driving bumper car. Press accelerator it goes! Foot off it will slow down and brake. No sound or noise.

Nice.

Teslas in NZ are well established. I have a friend who owns one.

I would buy one too in a flash if it wasn't for the poor reliability. The car is great when everything works. When something goes wrong be prepared for long periods of downtime because the after sales service lags far behind the technological advancement.

 

[Leongsam]

It's still a Toyota for me for the time being. All I have to do is service it annually and replace parts based upon the service schedule. In between the service schedule it gives me 364 days of trouble free motoring.

Consumer Reports: Tesla's reliability tumbles to near the bottom in latest survey
Chris Woodyard
USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...y-tumbles-consumer-reports-survey/1748024002/

Tesla may be riding high when it comes to wowing luxury car buyers, but it has fallen to near bottom of the pack when it comes to Consumer Reports magazine's latest auto reliability survey rankings.

The electric-car maker came in third from the bottom, tied with Cadillac, in the rankings of 29 brands in the survey released Wednesday. The only brand worse than Tesla and Cadillac was Volvo. Tesla fell six places from last year's survey.
The best auto brand in the survey was Lexus, followed by Toyota and Mazda, which moved up nine places. Seven of the top 10 brands come from Japan or South Korea.

By contrast, Detroit automakers fared poorly. The highest-ranking American brand, Ford, doesn't show up until 18th place. It was followed by Buick, Lincoln, Dodge, Jeep, Chevrolet, Chrysler, GMC and Ram before it comes to Tesla.

"The domestics are suffering from a few new products," said Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports' director of auto testing. He said reliability of some General Motors' redesigns "have taken a tumble," Ford continues to have issues with its latest in-car connectivity system and Fiat Chrysler "remains at the bottom of the list."

Cadillacs, for instance, "drive so well" and can "go toe-to-toe" with the imports but suffer from reliability issues, he said. Cadillac was down a single place from the year before in the survey.


Consumer Reports' ratings are among the most closely watched because the publication is notoriously independent. Its reliability ratings are based on what readers say about the vehicles they have bought.

When brands fare poorly, it is often because automakers haven't worked the bugs out of otherwise solid new models they have introduced.
Tesla, however, was brought down by a poor showing by the Model S luxury sedan, which has been on the market for about six years, said Jake Fisher, director of auto testing for the magazine.

New features that were added such as air suspension brought down its rating.

"The truth is the Model S is not an aging model. It's constantly being redesigned under the skin," Fisher said. Tesla, because of its ability to make changes in its models using over-the-air software updates in many cases, experiences "these growing pains differently than traditional car companies."

Tesla said in a statement that the suspension issue was due to a supplier issue and has been resolved. It "did not pose any threat to vehicle safety or drivability, and presented itself only when the car was parked."

More:Tesla CEO Elon Musk touts new Model 3, but it's a bit pricier than the one many expected
More:Dyson vacuum cleaner company to build electric vehicle factory in Singapore


While owners may ding the electric cars on reliability, Tesla, in its statement, pointed out that the same model has been tops among owners in overall satisfaction in a survey by Consumer Reports.

“Not only are our cars the safest and best performing vehicles available today, but we take feedback from our customers very seriously and quickly implement improvements any time we hear about issues," the statement said. "That’s just one of the reasons why Model S has been ranked number one on Consumer Reports’ owner satisfaction survey every year since 2013, which was the first year Tesla was included in their report."

The Model X crossover is worse for problems, Fisher said, but the brand's newest Model 3 car – its first aimed at the middle of the car market – was rated average.

Generally, car brands fare worse for reliability when they introduce complex new technology or complicated systems. That was the case with the worst-showing from Volvo, Fisher said.

A Volvo spokesman, Russell Datz, said he could not comment until he has seen the full report.

How brands fared and their average reliability score:

1. Lexus 78
2. Toyota 76
3. Mazda 69
4. Subaru 65
5. Kia 61 (tie)
6. Infiniti 61 (tie)
7. Audi 60
8. BMW 58
9. Mini 57 (tie)
10. Hyundai 57 (tie)
11. Porsche 54
12. Genesis 52
13. Acura 51 (tie)
14. Nissan 51 (tie)
15. Honda 50
16. Volkswagen 47 (tie)
17. Mercedes-Benz 47 (tie)
18. Ford 45
19. Buick 44
20. Lincoln 43
21. Dodge 40 (tie)
22. Jeep 40 (tie)
23. Chevrolet 39
24. Chrysler 38
25. GMC 37
26. Ram 34
27, Tesla 32 (tie)
28, Cadillac 32 (tie)
29. Volvo 22

 

[nayr69sg]

I have been trying to look to see if other cars can have similar features ie big screen. Autopilot.

But so far I cant really find anything.

 

[nayr69sg]

Yeah the reliability issues are well documented.

 

[Leongsam]

Yeah the reliability issues are well documented.

If you're not relying on your Tesla 100% of the time I guess there is no harm jumping on the bandwagon I would love to own one too. If I do get one it will be in addition to a reliable Toyota that I can depend upon when driving out of town into the wilderness.

 

[eatshitndie]

happy new year! 6.9 minutes to 2020.

 

[laksaboy]

Honda ranks quite low for a Jap car.

 

[Leongsam]

happy new year! 6.9 minutes to 2020.

You're late to the party new year for me was more than half a day ago.

 

[Leongsam]

Honda ranks quite low for a Jap car.

Honda used to be one of the most reliable brands on the planet. They have gone downhill over the last decade.

 

[Hypocrite-The]

It's still a Toyota for me for the time being. All I have to do is service it annually and replace parts based upon the service schedule. In between the service schedule it gives me 364 days of trouble free motoring.

Consumer Reports: Tesla's reliability tumbles to near the bottom in latest survey
Chris Woodyard
USA TODAY

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...y-tumbles-consumer-reports-survey/1748024002/

Tesla may be riding high when it comes to wowing luxury car buyers, but it has fallen to near bottom of the pack when it comes to Consumer Reports magazine's latest auto reliability survey rankings.

The electric-car maker came in third from the bottom, tied with Cadillac, in the rankings of 29 brands in the survey released Wednesday. The only brand worse than Tesla and Cadillac was Volvo. Tesla fell six places from last year's survey.
The best auto brand in the survey was Lexus, followed by Toyota and Mazda, which moved up nine places. Seven of the top 10 brands come from Japan or South Korea.

By contrast, Detroit automakers fared poorly. The highest-ranking American brand, Ford, doesn't show up until 18th place. It was followed by Buick, Lincoln, Dodge, Jeep, Chevrolet, Chrysler, GMC and Ram before it comes to Tesla.

"The domestics are suffering from a few new products," said Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports' director of auto testing. He said reliability of some General Motors' redesigns "have taken a tumble," Ford continues to have issues with its latest in-car connectivity system and Fiat Chrysler "remains at the bottom of the list."

Cadillacs, for instance, "drive so well" and can "go toe-to-toe" with the imports but suffer from reliability issues, he said. Cadillac was down a single place from the year before in the survey.


Consumer Reports' ratings are among the most closely watched because the publication is notoriously independent. Its reliability ratings are based on what readers say about the vehicles they have bought.

When brands fare poorly, it is often because automakers haven't worked the bugs out of otherwise solid new models they have introduced.
Tesla, however, was brought down by a poor showing by the Model S luxury sedan, which has been on the market for about six years, said Jake Fisher, director of auto testing for the magazine.

New features that were added such as air suspension brought down its rating.

"The truth is the Model S is not an aging model. It's constantly being redesigned under the skin," Fisher said. Tesla, because of its ability to make changes in its models using over-the-air software updates in many cases, experiences "these growing pains differently than traditional car companies."

Tesla said in a statement that the suspension issue was due to a supplier issue and has been resolved. It "did not pose any threat to vehicle safety or drivability, and presented itself only when the car was parked."

More:Tesla CEO Elon Musk touts new Model 3, but it's a bit pricier than the one many expected
More:Dyson vacuum cleaner company to build electric vehicle factory in Singapore


While owners may ding the electric cars on reliability, Tesla, in its statement, pointed out that the same model has been tops among owners in overall satisfaction in a survey by Consumer Reports.

“Not only are our cars the safest and best performing vehicles available today, but we take feedback from our customers very seriously and quickly implement improvements any time we hear about issues," the statement said. "That’s just one of the reasons why Model S has been ranked number one on Consumer Reports’ owner satisfaction survey every year since 2013, which was the first year Tesla was included in their report."

The Model X crossover is worse for problems, Fisher said, but the brand's newest Model 3 car – its first aimed at the middle of the car market – was rated average.

Generally, car brands fare worse for reliability when they introduce complex new technology or complicated systems. That was the case with the worst-showing from Volvo, Fisher said.

A Volvo spokesman, Russell Datz, said he could not comment until he has seen the full report.

How brands fared and their average reliability score:

1. Lexus 78
2. Toyota 76
3. Mazda 69
4. Subaru 65
5. Kia 61 (tie)
6. Infiniti 61 (tie)
7. Audi 60
8. BMW 58
9. Mini 57 (tie)
10. Hyundai 57 (tie)
11. Porsche 54
12. Genesis 52
13. Acura 51 (tie)
14. Nissan 51 (tie)
15. Honda 50
16. Volkswagen 47 (tie)
17. Mercedes-Benz 47 (tie)
18. Ford 45
19. Buick 44
20. Lincoln 43
21. Dodge 40 (tie)
22. Jeep 40 (tie)
23. Chevrolet 39
24. Chrysler 38
25. GMC 37
26. Ram 34
27, Tesla 32 (tie)
28, Cadillac 32 (tie)
29. Volvo 22

Ok I am getting the Lexus instead of the Mercedes

 

[tanwahtiu]

Dont expect t fat beer belly technicans to do good jobs...

 

[Hypocrite-The]

Yeah the reliability issues are well documented.

U.S. auto safety agency to investigate fatal Tesla crash in California
By David Shepardson

1 January 2020, 8:14 am GMT+8

A Tesla logo is seen at a groundbreaking ceremony of Tesla Shanghai Gigafactory in Shanghai
By David Shepardson
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The fatal Dec. 29 crash of a Tesla Inc vehicle in Southern California will be investigated by the U.S. government's auto safety regulator, the agency said on Tuesday.
The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said earlier this month it had opened an investigation into a 12th Tesla crash that may be tied to the vehicle’s advanced Autopilot driver assistance system after a Tesla Model 3 rear-ended a parked police car in Connecticut.
NHTSA did not say if autopilot was suspected in Sunday's crash in Gardena in Los Angeles county.
Tesla did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Los Angeles television station KTLA reported the driver exited the 91 Freeway in Gardena, ran a red light and struck a 2006 Honda Civic, killing its two occupants.
The two people inside the Tesla were hospitalized but did not have life-threatening injuries, KTLA reported, citing Los Angeles police.
Autopilot had been engaged in at least three Tesla vehicles that were involved in fatal U.S. crashes since 2016. The National Transportation Safety Board has criticized Autopilot's lack of safeguards and said in September in its probe of a 2018 Culver City, California Tesla crash that the system’s design "permitted the driver to disengage from the driving task."
Tesla and NHTSA both advise drivers that they must keep their hands on the steering wheel and pay attention at all times while using Autopilot. Tesla says Autopilot "enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane," but does not make the vehicle autonomous.
Some drivers say they are able to keep their hands off the wheel for extended periods when using the system. Last month, U.S. Senator Ed Markey said Tesla should disable Autopilot until it installs new safeguards to prevent drivers from evading system limits that could let them fall asleep.
NHTSA has previously confirmed special crash investigations in a number of Tesla crashes but until earlier this month had not disclosed the total number of crashes under review. NHTSA previously investigated another Tesla crash that it initially suspected of being tied to Autopilot but ruled it out.
(Reporting by David Shepardson; Editing by Leslie Adler and Grant McCool)

 

[nayr69sg]

If you're not relying on your Tesla 100% of the time I guess there is no harm jumping on the bandwagon I would love to own one too. If I do get one it will be in addition to a reliable Toyota that I can depend upon when driving out of town into the wilderness.

I am waiting to see how much the Model X prices drop after the Model Y is released.

Chances that I will get a Tesla is low. My head says no.

The price is high. I suppose I am more wealthy now so CAD$80,000 is not difficult for me to splash in cash. But that money can be invested or used in better ways than a joy item.

But yet life is short and if I can indulge why not. Lol!

I am secretly hoping Toyota comes out with a EV which has all the same features and more at better pricing.

I read it will happen in the next 5 years.

I have 2 RAV4s and a Ford Expedition.

My Corolla got hit and run when it was parked outside my house. Totalled. So one less car in the household now.

 

[3_M]

Battery technology is the Achilles heel. Relative short range, long charging time and reliability of lithium ion battery are the major hurdles.

There is a parallel importer selling Tesla in leng kee. But I won't think it practical here as there is a lack of gov support and service center here. Only people who stays in landed property can installed the charging point at their home which isn't cheap.

 

[nightsafari]

I am waiting to see how much the Model X prices drop after the Model Y is released.

Chances that I will get a Tesla is low. My head says no.

The price is high. I suppose I am more wealthy now so CAD$80,000 is not difficult for me to splash in cash. But that money can be invested or used in better ways than a joy item.

But yet life is short and if I can indulge why not. Lol!

I am secretly hoping Toyota comes out with a EV which has all the same features and more at better pricing.

I read it will happen in the next 5 years.

I have 2 RAV4s and a Ford Expedition.

My Corolla got hit and run when it was parked outside my house. Totalled. So one less car in the household now.

Stay away from Tesla.

The car itself is put together badly. There have been reports of bumpers falling off in the rain. Those Model X falcon doors also had issues with leaks.

The single worst feature of the car is also it's most impressive : autopilot.

autopilot right now is not fully realized and tested. Try and think of someone rushing out a treatment or drug based on a single study without approvals and that's what autopilot is. Whilst it functions most of the time, there are times when it will just drive into oncoming traffic, off the road and directly into a semi that's making a turn across you. In other words, you can trust it 95-99% of the time, but the 1% will be disastrous. It is not fail-safe. It is fail-spectacular. And you would be a beta tester. Like most of Elon's things, it's big on flash and appeal but low on development and testing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradte...o-they-learn-from-past-mistakes/#46f33ed32f2e

And oh, the doors on a Tesla are electrically powered and secured. This wonderful idea has an unique achilles heel. In the event of a crash that disables the electrical circuit in the car, those doors will not open. There has been at least one human barbecue in a Tesla because of this. A doctor no less... I think there was another a few years ago.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/man-burned-alive-fiery-tesla-crash-door-open/story?id=66498159

What is impressive about electric cars is the motors. Amazing response and torque. But those are not unique to Tesla. For a while, nobody took it seriously so nobody bothered developing electrics, but because Elon proved that there was demand, everybody is jumping in if a little late. I would be more inclined to buy an electric car that's not a death trap.

I am interested in electrics too, but I am waiting for one that fits the bill. I dunno how much you wish to spend on said car, but the top end is the Porsche Taycan. Just saw it the other day. Coming a little further down, it's the Audi e-tron which I think may be a bit boring if you're looking for something to wow you. I did try the Kona electric and the chevy bolt, but they may be a little cheap for your tastes.

But the car I think that will seriously bring electrics into the mainstream is the Ford Mustang Mach-E. I think that's the killer app in the electric car world and if anyone wants an electric car, I think that's the one to get. I'm also thinking of buying one as well. The VW id3 is also awesome but not available in Canada for a while. VW's first offering is going to be the Crozz which I think doesn't quite hit the spot as well as the Mach E or an id3. Also MB has the EQC coming soon, but I have no idea how well it will work. My favourite horse that I'm betting on is the Mach E. Great range, spectacular performance specs and right price point. Go check it out when you bring your Expedition in for a service.

For the record, Toyota and Honda are really dragging their feet on electric cars. They think it's a passing flight of fancy and think what buyers want is better fuel economy. Unfortunately, they are thinking with engineering. Buyers think as consumers. As a doctor, you should know that the solution that's actually best for people will not be the one they choose. More often, what's easiest, most convenient and most immediately rewarding is what people mostly choose. Medication vs lifestyle changes?

There are two problems with electrics that will not go away in the immediate future. laksaboy mentions solid state. Lithium ion batteries have spontaneously combusted in all brands of electric cars and even in planes. Small probability, but it happens. One spectacular example a Hyundai in QC even blew the garage doors across the street and a hole in the roof of the house. And it was not charging at the time.... And yes, if that happens with you in a Tesla, you get to sit inside and watch the whole thing. I'm on the fence about this, but if you can wait for solid state, maybe 5-15 years down the road, it will be safer. Links below.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont...e-and-explodes-in-île-bizard-garage-1.5227665

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28420...n-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight

The other problem is a bit minor but drives me personally nuts. Electric cars have a huge amount of mass because of the battery pack. This mass is hard to control motion wise so you get a harder ride than an equivalent gas car. I'm getting old so a car with a good ride is damn important to me.

Hope this helps. If you want to talk cars, I can spend the whole day yakking...

 

[nayr69sg]

Stay away from Tesla.

The car itself is put together badly. There have been reports of bumpers falling off in the rain. Those Model X falcon doors also had issues with leaks.

The single worst feature of the car is also it's most impressive : autopilot.

autopilot right now is not fully realized and tested. Try and think of someone rushing out a treatment or drug based on a single study without approvals and that's what autopilot is. Whilst it functions most of the time, there are times when it will just drive into oncoming traffic, off the road and directly into a semi that's making a turn across you. In other words, you can trust it 95-99% of the time, but the 1% will be disastrous. It is not fail-safe. It is fail-spectacular. And you would be a beta tester. Like most of Elon's things, it's big on flash and appeal but low on development and testing.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradte...o-they-learn-from-past-mistakes/#46f33ed32f2e

And oh, the doors on a Tesla are electrically powered and secured. This wonderful idea has an unique achilles heel. In the event of a crash that disables the electrical circuit in the car, those doors will not open. There has been at least one human barbecue in a Tesla because of this. A doctor no less... I think there was another a few years ago.

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/man-burned-alive-fiery-tesla-crash-door-open/story?id=66498159

What is impressive about electric cars is the motors. Amazing response and torque. But those are not unique to Tesla. For a while, nobody took it seriously so nobody bothered developing electrics, but because Elon proved that there was demand, everybody is jumping in if a little late. I would be more inclined to buy an electric car that's not a death trap.

I am interested in electrics too, but I am waiting for one that fits the bill. I dunno how much you wish to spend on said car, but the top end is the Porsche Taycan. Just saw it the other day. Coming a little further down, it's the Audi e-tron which I think may be a bit boring if you're looking for something to wow you. I did try the Kona electric and the chevy bolt, but they may be a little cheap for your tastes.

But the car I think that will seriously bring electrics into the mainstream is the Ford Mustang Mach-E. I think that's the killer app in the electric car world and if anyone wants an electric car, I think that's the one to get. I'm also thinking of buying one as well. The VW id3 is also awesome but not available in Canada for a while. VW's first offering is going to be the Crozz which I think doesn't quite hit the spot as well as the Mach E or an id3. Also MB has the EQC coming soon, but I have no idea how well it will work. My favourite horse that I'm betting on is the Mach E. Great range, spectacular performance specs and right price point. Go check it out when you bring your Expedition in for a service.

For the record, Toyota and Honda are really dragging their feet on electric cars. They think it's a passing flight of fancy and think what buyers want is better fuel economy. Unfortunately, they are thinking with engineering. Buyers think as consumers. As a doctor, you should know that the solution that's actually best for people will not be the one they choose. More often, what's easiest, most convenient and most immediately rewarding is what people mostly choose. Medication vs lifestyle changes?

There are two problems with electrics that will not go away in the immediate future. laksaboy mentions solid state. Lithium ion batteries have spontaneously combusted in all brands of electric cars and even in planes. Small probability, but it happens. One spectacular example a Hyundai in QC even blew the garage doors across the street and a hole in the roof of the house. And it was not charging at the time.... And yes, if that happens with you in a Tesla, you get to sit inside and watch the whole thing. I'm on the fence about this, but if you can wait for solid state, maybe 5-15 years down the road, it will be safer. Links below.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/mont...e-and-explodes-in-île-bizard-garage-1.5227665

https://www.thedrive.com/news/28420...n-fire-randomly-and-theres-no-recall-in-sight

The other problem is a bit minor but drives me personally nuts. Electric cars have a huge amount of mass because of the battery pack. This mass is hard to control motion wise so you get a harder ride than an equivalent gas car. I'm getting old so a car with a good ride is damn important to me.

Hope this helps. If you want to talk cars, I can spend the whole day yakking...

Wow. Thanks for the insights! Appreciate it.

Ok I will stay away from the Teslas.

My own line of thought is that Tesla is like a new tech product. And they are leading the way but making mistakes. Tesla appeals to techies and not so much motorcars enthusiasts. That's sort of me.

Yeah those doors are all electric driven in opening and closing. No manual way to open.

That battery catching fire thing was something I didnt think about.

I did read about the MachE as well. But they said that the centre screen was non functional during the unveiling. Which writers suspect means Ford is way behind Tesla in terms of the functionality and app development.

I also read that Toyota has been a leader in battery technology for a long time. With the amount of raw material they can build much more hybrid cars than just straight battery EVs. They also have been developing fuel cell technology which is actually better for the environment. I agree.

Elon Musk is smart. If he built EVs which were boring without all these cool new minimalist designs full electric doors autopilot etc people would just yawn at another boring EV. But he did all of that.

It is a bit like when Apple came up with the iphone.

I am pretty sure that in the next 5 to 10 years the big makers will have similar features and designs for even gas powered vehicles.

I am not really waiting for EVs but more any vehicle that can have those features the Tesla has but with better price and reliability.

Matter of time in the industry.

 

[nayr69sg]

I will go look at the MachE one of these days.

https://www.ford.ca/buy-site-wide-c...e-overlays/feature-copilot360-technology.html

https://www.ford.ca/buy-site-wide-content/overlays/mach-e-overlays/video-awd.html

 

[nightsafari]

Wow. Thanks for the insights! Appreciate it.

Ok I will stay away from the Teslas.

My own line of thought is that Tesla is like a new tech product. And they are leading the way but making mistakes. Tesla appeals to techies and not so much motorcars enthusiasts. That's sort of me.

Thanks for that insight! I've been wondering what the appeal has been. I think you've just summarized it for me.

I did read about the MachE as well. But they said that the centre screen was non functional during the unveiling. Which writers suspect means Ford is way behind Tesla in terms of the functionality and app development.

the Mach E is still under development. I would be surprised if anything on it even turns on at all.

I also read that Toyota has been a leader in battery technology for a long time. With the amount of raw material they can build much more hybrid cars than just straight battery EVs. They also have been developing fuel cell technology which is actually better for the environment. I agree.

The Japanese and their practical approach are betting hybrid and eventually fuel cell. Toyota, Honda and Hyundai all currently have a fuel cell car marketed in canada. But nobody is interested...

I am not really waiting for EVs but more any vehicle that can have those features the Tesla has but with better price and reliability.

Matter of time in the industry.

What features you looking for? If you're referring to autopilot that you can really count on come hell or high water, it might be a while. Components of it though are embedded within cars such as stop and go and auto-parking. Even the next golf can auto park reverse, parallel and even head on. Divided highway autopilot is already there for a few players but with cross traffic it is still a no go.

And I for one would really want a fully self-driving car too!

The only things that I can think of Tesla bringing new to market are electric cars and autopilot...