政治文抄公- Political Plagiarizing

[SNAblog]

If any "political analyst" wannabe can make all sorts of wide accusations and smear whoever he wants without having to substantiate for what he said, is that the kind of "democracy" he is epousing?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Well, in democracy, they could try to clear their names. That's democracy. Of course, I am using my real name while you are using moniker, nameless behind the keyboard and insinuating me making baseless accusations. But that's alright, my kind of democracy will tolerate that but it seems that your kind of democracy cannot tolerate criticisms to your preferred party.

Goh Meng Seng

If any "political analyst" wannabe can make all sorts of wide accusations and smear whoever he wants without having to substantiate for what he said, is that the kind of "democracy" he is epousing?

 

[SNAblog]

You make me laugh. Both have studied law and they should know better. You should try telling them to try and sue me.

Goh Meng Seng

There are also accusations that you had a mistress. Did you try suing your accuser? Similar logic.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Well, as I have said, hiding behind moniker talking rubbish is easy. Help me to get him to come up with his own number and details, I will show you how it could be done.

Goh Meng Seng

There are also accusations that you had a mistress. Did you try suing your accuser? Similar logic.

 

[Thick Face Black Heart]

Succint, well articulated and very well reasoned. Agree completely. I am disturbed by these 2 incidents.

I am not disturbed. Politicians do not do all the research themselves. They rely on assistants. if the assistants don't tell them where the source is, they won't know that they had to give attribution.

Instead of than pinning the blame on their assistants, Pritam and CSM acknowledged their mistake as solely their own. In mitigation, the respective authors have come forward to say that they do not mind this at all, and their work can be used without any attribution.

This is to be contrasted with TPL who promptly blamed "Denise" for the cooling day mishap.

So you can see why I am not at all sweating, while people like GMS are jumping sky high just because it is WP.

 

[SNAblog]

Well, as I have said, hiding behind moniker talking rubbish is easy. Help me to get him to come up with his own number and details, I will show you how it could be done.

Goh Meng Seng

You do not know your accuser? Did you not said that you knew him?

 

[Ramseth]

You make me laugh. Both have studied law and they should know better. You should try telling them to try and sue me.

I'd advise, hey not advise, silly humble me, just persuade them not to sue you because you'll lose. I hate to see a friend lose. It has been accepted for decades freedom of expression and cut-n-paste on any internet medium with or without citing the source. It has been established for parliamentary privilege for everything a member of house says in the house be exempt from suit except when deemed against house etiquette by the Speaker, but at most ordered to be escorted out the house to cool down by the Serjeant-at-Arms on order of the Speaker. My best advice for you if you're still interested, try to win seat therein.

 

[Perspective]

There are also accusations that you had a mistress. Did you try suing your accuser? Similar logic.

And where is it going to find the balls to do so? From its wife's purse?

 

[jixiaolan]

Well, I am sorry if you took my hard statements the wrong way.

So you never wanted to enter a proper discussion. I thought you should have better standard than your buddy, Teflon. I guess I was wrong on this count.

 

[HTOLAS]

What is the source of the 'unique' expression 'Spot the Difference'?

Well, PAP MP Vikram said his comparison of Nigerian Scam with CSM's speech is just a "joke" while now WP members and supporters are claiming that Pritam didn't say his words in parliament is his. That's why we will need to ask each and every MPs, be it PAP or WP, whether their words/ideas are theirs and that if they are just joking or not. This is the type of First World Parliament WP is aiming for.

This is attached to my FB early in the morning. For your pleasure viewing.

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Goh Meng Seng

 

[LeMans2011]

Can someone find that Goh Meng Seng a job? Any job.. mopping the floor at PAP headquarters, whatever. This fella is worse that krafty, both are obsessed with themselves but at least krafty does not pretend to be righteous or know-it-all.

 

[Perspective]

So you never wanted to enter a proper discussion. I thought you should have better standard than your buddy, Teflon. I guess I was wrong on this count.

Depends on what you mean by discussion. On CSM's and Pritam's actions, I find both sides of the argument has its merits so I have not dwelled much on that as a discussion topic. I have defended neither. My points have been the intellectual dishonesty on the cons side. The cartoonist, insect and others could have put up a proper, solid case against CSM/Pritam, but probably, to outdo themselves and add strength to their own, threw in salt and pepper until it became distorted eg, self-contradictory statements, misleading extracts on plagiarism, mixing up parties and personalities, throwing in unrelated people like YSL, Ram etc.

 

[Ramseth]

So you never wanted to enter a proper discussion. I thought you should have better standard than your buddy, Teflon. I guess I was wrong on this count.

My dear friend giant baby, your idea of a good proper discussion is to agree:
- Everything PAP must be no good
- Everything WP must be no good
- Everything GMS must be good
How to discuss?

For those who don't know who my dear friend nicknamed giant baby, he's as tall as GCT and was also ex-police too who strike and shot without blinking. Now, bodyguard of GMS. Offend him at your own risk. I should also be scared but fortunately, he'd give me face for knowing his mother and brother since good old days.

 

[Perspective]

My dear friend giant baby, your idea of a good proper discussion is to agree:
- Everything PAP must be no good
- Everything WP must be no good
- Everything GMS must be good
How to discuss?

For those who don't know who my dear friend nicknamed giant baby, he's as tall as GCT and was also ex-police too who strike and shot without blinking. Now, bodyguard of GMS. Offend him at your own risk. I should also be scared but fortunately, he'd give me face for knowing his mother and brother since good old days.

Good retort, but spare the background of the forummer. Every forummer's background is unimportant and only serves to distract from the topic, unless the chaps themselves want to bring that particular identity to the forefront of their persona.

 

[scroobal]

Finally a resonable post.

I suspected that it might be the assistants behind this. It has happened on a number of occasions and continues to occur in first world parliaments.

If that is the case, WP has to come out and explain this and move on. People would understand that no MP can do everything and there is allowance to recruit and pay for legislative asst for this very purpose.

I am sure just like the Denise incident, if PAP MPs had done that, we would be asking for an explanation.

I am also quite suprised that we people are not aware that when you lift whole paragraphs, with or without the original author's content, it must be attributed whether an academic exercise or otherwise.

On another note, if GMS wants to serve the needs of Singaporeans he should be badgering the PAP over the Denise/TPL incident and it occurred under his watch as he was secretary general. I consider that unfinished business.

I am not disturbed. Politicians do not do all the research themselves. They rely on assistants. if the assistants don't tell them where the source is, they won't know that they had to give attribution.

Instead of than pinning the blame on their assistants, Pritam and CSM acknowledged their mistake as solely their own. In mitigation, the respective authors have come forward to say that they do not mind this at all, and their work can be used without any attribution.

This is to be contrasted with TPL who promptly blamed "Denise" for the cooling day mishap.

So you can see why I am not at all sweating, while people like GMS are jumping sky high just because it is WP.

 

[HTOLAS]

As Scroobal said, excellent post. I'd just add that we must not let Mr Goh or the PAPzis distract us from the fact that an ombudsman (as described by PS) is an important institution for the promotion of democracy.

I am not disturbed. Politicians do not do all the research themselves. They rely on assistants. if the assistants don't tell them where the source is, they won't know that they had to give attribution.

Instead of than pinning the blame on their assistants, Pritam and CSM acknowledged their mistake as solely their own. In mitigation, the respective authors have come forward to say that they do not mind this at all, and their work can be used without any attribution.

This is to be contrasted with TPL who promptly blamed "Denise" for the cooling day mishap.

So you can see why I am not at all sweating, while people like GMS are jumping sky high just because it is WP.

 

[Perspective]

On another note, if GMS wants to serve the needs of Singaporeans he should be badgering the PAP over the Denise/TPL incident and it occurred under his watch as he was secretary general. I consider that unfinished business.

Nah, it will make the audacious, ridiculous and spurious claim that it had been pyro-ing both PAP and WP equally. I just hope the two pieces of its butt is not as "equal" as the two sets of pyros it dishes out on PAP and WP, else it'll have a problem sitting straight.

 

[Varuna]

As representative of the people, they listened to feedback and tabled them for discussion. As long as the intent and benefit is for the people and the source has given verbal greenlight to go ahead, I don't see this a problem, whether partial or wholesale. No deliberate hiding here to pass off as his work when it was already pre-stated to be other's, falling short of naming of the source. Unless the source has specifically stated to be credited beforehand and it was omitted, then he can pursue the case.

 

[Ramseth]

Good retort, but spare the background of the forummer. Every forummer's background is unimportant and only serves to distract from the topic, unless the chaps themselves want to bring that particular identity to the forefront of their persona.

Don't worry. I revealed nothing new. These have been revealed by himself long ago. Anyway, JXL is is just a nick. Nobody will know how he is unless he allows.

 

[Perspective]

What is disgusting is the number of die hard WP supporters and members trying very hard to do what the main stream media is defending PAP and it's shortcoming as if nothing is wrong.

Just to add, your gay partner, the one which you defend, said WP supporters/members which it named after its own breed (insect) did not defend WP enough. So before you come here to argue, please discuss your script the first thing you two get up from your bed, to avoid contradicting each other.