‘No NS, no plans to settle but still gets BTO?’ — Singaporean questions HDB rules for new citizens

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SINGAPORE: After learning that a Malaysian couple — one of whom recently became a Singapore citizen — is applying for a Build-To-Order (BTO) flat despite having no plans to settle here long-term, a local took to social media to question whether public housing policies are really fair.

Posting on the r/askSingapore subreddit on Tuesday (June 10), he explained that both individuals were born in Malaysia. The male partner recently became a Singaporean citizen prior to the recent election, while the female partner remains a permanent resident.

According to the post, the couple had openly shared with others that they are not planning to live in Singapore permanently. Instead, they see the BTO flat primarily as an investment opportunity or a contingency plan. This prompted the man to question whether the current public housing system adequately serves citizens who have long-standing ties to the country and who plan to build their future here.

What particularly concerned him was the fact that the male partner did not serve National Service (NS), as he became a citizen in adulthood.

“The man didn’t serve national service because he became a citizen as an adult. Yet, by simply converting, he now has access to heavily subsidised public housing — and the PR partner gets to ride on that privilege too,” he wrote...................
 
The local argued that cases like this highlight several policy gaps. Currently, there is no minimum citizenship duration required before a new Singaporean can apply for a BTO flat with a PR spouse. There is also no requirement for adult male new citizens to contribute in lieu of NS, and no checks on whether applicants intend to stay in Singapore for the long term.

He admitted that this felt unfair for many Singaporeans, saying, “Those who’ve served NS, paid taxes all their lives, and genuinely plan to raise families here—are still waiting years for a BTO or are priced out of the resale market.”

“I’m not against immigration or new citizens — but access to subsidised public housing should reflect commitment, sacrifice, and intent to settle, not just a passport conversion. There’s a growing sense that some are exploiting the system while true-blue citizens are left behind.”

Looking for perspective, he asked others in the online community, “What are your thoughts on new citizens purchasing HDBs?”................
 
“It’s not just new citizens…”
In the comments, one Singaporean Redditor responded, “LOL What to do? Despite the disadvantage and odds stacked against true-blue Sinkies, 65% preferred and continued with the status quo.”

Another commented, “You are new? This has been happening for 10 to 20 years.”

A third remarked, “If the screening to allow someone to be a new citizen was done correctly, then none of these problems would happen. The main issue is that citizenship anyhow given out for mainly economic and demographic reasons.”

Some Redditors, however, did not take issue with the couple’s strategy. One user even commended it, saying, “This is a good strategy. He can rent out the HDB, and she can buy a landed property in JB. The rental money allows them to retire earlier in JB.”

Another pointed out that it’s not just Malaysians who do this, but locals as well:
“Honestly, it’s not just new citizens. I have neighbours who are Singaporeans but rented out their units to non-Singaporeans while they lived with their parents. I have colleagues who do this even before the 5-year MOP is up, too.................
 
Somehow, it’s easier to pick on others than to realise and accept that there are a lot of Singaporeans who do things like that too. We just choose to turn a blind eye to it.”

In other news, a young Singaporean who only recently started working took to Reddit to ask if it was unreasonable for him to refuse to contribute to his retired parents’ car expenses.

Posting anonymously on the r/SingaporeRaw forum, the user shared his confusion and frustration after his parents asked him and his sister to evenly split the cost of the Certificate of Entitlement (COE) for the family car.

“The thing is, both my sis and I don’t have driving licenses yet, plus I believe that a car is a luxury item in Singapore,” he said.

Read more: ‘Why should I pay for a car I won’t use?’ — Singaporean upset after parents ask him to pay for family car’s COE

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Just having the abolishment of NS alone as a election manifesto would have given the opposition the mandate to rule. But none came up with such a plan. Its as if they are just PAP proxies put on to satisfy sinkieland as a democratic state.
 
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SINGAPORE: After learning that a Malaysian couple — one of whom recently became a Singapore citizen — is applying for a Build-To-Order (BTO) flat despite having no plans to settle here long-term, a local took to social media to question whether public housing policies are really fair.

Posting on the r/askSingapore subreddit on Tuesday (June 10), he explained that both individuals were born in Malaysia. The male partner recently became a Singaporean citizen prior to the recent election, while the female partner remains a permanent resident.

According to the post, the couple had openly shared with others that they are not planning to live in Singapore permanently. Instead, they see the BTO flat primarily as an investment opportunity or a contingency plan. This prompted the man to question whether the current public housing system adequately serves citizens who have long-standing ties to the country and who plan to build their future here.

What particularly concerned him was the fact that the male partner did not serve National Service (NS), as he became a citizen in adulthood.

“The man didn’t serve national service because he became a citizen as an adult. Yet, by simply converting, he now has access to heavily subsidised public housing — and the PR partner gets to ride on that privilege too,” he wrote...................
The civil service is now majority ex-Malaysian Chinese. All favour their ex-country Chinese from their Kampongs.
 
The local argued that cases like this highlight several policy gaps. Currently, there is no minimum citizenship duration required before a new Singaporean can apply for a BTO flat with a PR spouse. There is also no requirement for adult male new citizens to contribute in lieu of NS, and no checks on whether applicants intend to stay in Singapore for the long term.

He admitted that this felt unfair for many Singaporeans, saying, “Those who’ve served NS, paid taxes all their lives, and genuinely plan to raise families here—are still waiting years for a BTO or are priced out of the resale market.”

“I’m not against immigration or new citizens — but access to subsidised public housing should reflect commitment, sacrifice, and intent to settle, not just a passport conversion. There’s a growing sense that some are exploiting the system while true-blue citizens are left behind.”

Looking for perspective, he asked others in the online community, “What are your thoughts on new citizens purchasing HDBs?”................
The answer is straight forward, why HDB deforestation to build so many thousands of BTO flats? To cater for new immigrants so population can reach 9.9millions sooner.
Secondly, the profit margins are lucrative for building tiny pathetic floor area flats. Thirdly, to gain more supportive votes from new immigrants.
 
The answer is straight forward, why HDB deforestation to build so many thousands of BTO flats? To cater for new immigrants so population can reach 9.9millions sooner.
Secondly, the profit margins are lucrative for building tiny pathetic floor area flats. Thirdly, to gain more supportive votes from new immigrants.

That's why I laugh at the anti-carbon cult and their 'SG Green Plan'.

The PAP regime has eradicated large chunks of forests to build that shitty town in Tengah and constructing one next to Dover MRT, opposite SG Poly.

PAP technocrats are the bonafide destroyers or heritage and nature. Don't believe the gaslighting which tells you they are doing a great job conserving and protecting them. :cool:
 
Singkies voted for this...so don't complain. N its going to get worst...


Malaysia’s fresh graduates earn less than $700, struggle to find skilled work - VnExpress International​

By Hieu Nguyen

Tue 6/10/2025, 04:00 pm (PT)

Over 65% of fresh graduates in Malaysia start their careers earning less than RM3,000 (US$708) per month, barely enough to cover basic needs, according to a report.
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The finding, from a report titled The "Gaji Cukup Makan" Economy released in May by labor market research group Future Studies Berhad, includes those with bachelor’s, master’s and even PhD degrees.

For 23-year-old University of Reading Malaysia graduate Howard Ng, his monthly pay of around RM3,000 as a global occupier services executive leaves little wiggle room.

"A third of my salary goes to paying rent, the rest pays for daily necessities, especially food ... thankfully I am not currently paying off student loans," he told CNA.

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Yet even that level of pay is seen as excessive for fresh graduates like 23-year-old computer science graduate Andy Yap.

Over the four grueling months he spent applying for jobs after completing his studies at Asia Pacific University of Technology last September, Yap said he was repeatedly told by hiring managers that his expected salary of RM3,000 was "too much."

He eventually secured a software engineering job with a monthly pay of RM4,000, but said some of his friends with engineering degrees were offered starting salaries just slightly above RM1,000.

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People walk to their workplace during the morning rush at Kuala Lumpur city centre, Malaysia, Oct. 16, 2024. Photo by Reuters

People walk to their workplace during the morning rush at Kuala Lumpur city centre, Malaysia, Oct. 16, 2024. Photo by Reuters

Fresh graduates’ struggle with low entry-level wages is a long-standing issue and has become more troubling as real wages have stagnated for decades.

The starting salaries for fresh graduates today, typically between RM2,000-3,000, have only increased modestly in several decades, according to Tan Sri Muhammad Ibrahim, former governor of Bank Negara Malaysia—the country’s central bank.

"This equates to the purchasing power of RM300 – RM400 in the 1980s. In reality, wages have eroded by at least threefold," he said, adding that he used to earn RM1,300 monthly as a fresh graduate in 1984.

When adjusted for a 5% annual inflation rate, today's graduate salaries should be in the ballpark of RM7,000-8,000, he said early last month, as quoted by New Straits Times.

Similarly, a report by the PNB Research Institute found that, after adjusting for inflation, the median entry-level salary for tertiary qualification holders in Malaysia has declined significantly over the past 25 years—by 28% for those with a master’s degree and 10% for bachelor’s degree holders.

This means the median fresh graduate with a master's degree who joined the private sector for the first time in 2022 earned nearly one-third less than someone in the same position did in 1997, the report said.

This stagnation has left many graduates grappling with the cost of living and forced them to make difficult compromises, according to Diana Khairuddin, a human resource consultant at HR Edge.

"It’s a system that’s clearly out of sync with today’s economic realities and in urgent need of reform," she said.

Data from the Employees Provident Fund shows a single adult without a vehicle needs around RM1,530 per month to get by in Alor Setar city and up to RM1,930 in the Klang Valley, the country’s economic and urban hub.

26-year-old finance executive Nur Nafisah Hamdan shared that her lifestyle has been influenced by her salary.

She has adapted by cooking at home during the week and cutting back on dining out or ordering takeaways. For housing, she chose an older, more affordable place, even though it is not in her preferred area, she said.

"The reality is harsh for many fresh graduates as their pay does not align with the cost of living in urban areas," she told The Sun. "Most job offers are based on the government’s minimum salary, which is RM1,700."

Underemployment and skill mismatch

According to the PNBRI report, degree holders in 1997 earned 2.7 times more than those with SPM qualifications, which represent the completion of 11 years of schooling up to the secondary level. By 2022, this gap had narrowed to 1.7 times.

"The higher the qualification of an entry-level employee, the lower the salary has grown over the period," it concluded.

This points to a growing gap between the number of degree holders and the demand for their skills, which results in stagnant or even falling real wages for graduates, according to The Star.

Human Resources Minister Steven Sim noted that while Malaysia produces roughly 300,000 graduates annually, only about 50,000 skilled and well-paying positions are available.

As a result, many are forced to accept lower-skilled roles where their qualifications are underutilized, further suppressing wage growth.

The PNBRI report found that in 2021, as much as 55% of diploma holders and 44% of degree holders were overqualified for the jobs they landed.

Some experts believe the wage issue also stems from a skill mismatch as academic degrees may not prepare graduates for the growing demands of the digital and industrial economy.

Arulkumar Singaraveloo, CEO of the Malaysia HR Forum, pointed out that employers have raised concerns about the quality of Malaysian graduates.

Sharifah Hani Yasmin, a career consultant and founder of resume and CV reviewer SY Professional Review, noted that many graduates lack the industry exposure, such as internships and hands-on work experience, needed to meet employer expectations or justify higher pay.

"Unless there is a coordinated shift where academic institutions redesign programmes around real industry and companies take ownership of talent development, I believe this pattern (of underemployment) will continue to repeat," Sharifah said.

Yun Liu, HSBC’s ASEAN economist, said a skill mismatch limits how fast degree holders’ wages can grow.

Bridging this gap would require both the country to advance up the value chain collectively and its youth to align their education and skills with market demands, she noted.

‘Brain drain’ concerns

The lack of well-paying, skilled jobs at home has pushed many Malaysians to look abroad for better opportunities, adding to concerns of a "brain drain" in the country.

As of 2022, around 1.86 million Malaysians had migrated overseas, with 1.13 million settling in neighboring Singapore, TODAY reported, citing V. Sivakumar, Malaysia’s former human resources minister.

Of those residing in the city-state, roughly 39% were classified as skilled workers and 35% as semi-skilled, based on a government study published last year.

However, many of those who went abroad are not working in high-skilled roles.

Muhammad, the former central bank governor, said a rising number of Malaysians, drawn by higher wages, are crossing the border daily for manual labor roles.

"If Malaysia fails to transform its economic structure, we risk becoming a net exporter of labour rather than talent," he warned, as cited by New Straits Times.

"One day, our children could end up working as domestic helpers abroad — and I wouldn't be surprised if it happens."

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SINGAPORE: After learning that a Malaysian couple — one of whom recently became a Singapore citizen — is applying for a Build-To-Order (BTO) flat despite having no plans to settle here long-term, a local took to social media to question whether public housing policies are really fair.

Posting on the r/askSingapore subreddit on Tuesday (June 10), he explained that both individuals were born in Malaysia. The male partner recently became a Singaporean citizen prior to the recent election, while the female partner remains a permanent resident.

According to the post, the couple had openly shared with others that they are not planning to live in Singapore permanently. Instead, they see the BTO flat primarily as an investment opportunity or a contingency plan. This prompted the man to question whether the current public housing system adequately serves citizens who have long-standing ties to the country and who plan to build their future here.

What particularly concerned him was the fact that the male partner did not serve National Service (NS), as he became a citizen in adulthood.

“The man didn’t serve national service because he became a citizen as an adult. Yet, by simply converting, he now has access to heavily subsidised public housing — and the PR partner gets to ride on that privilege too,” he wrote...................

kpkb for what? U just voted for it only leh .... live with it and suck thumb lah! :whistling:
 
https://theindependent.sg/no-ns-no-...aporean-questions-hdb-rules-for-new-citizens/

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SINGAPORE: After learning that a Malaysian couple — one of whom recently became a Singapore citizen — is applying for a Build-To-Order (BTO) flat despite having no plans to settle here long-term, a local took to social media to question whether public housing policies are really fair.

Posting on the r/askSingapore subreddit on Tuesday (June 10), he explained that both individuals were born in Malaysia. The male partner recently became a Singaporean citizen prior to the recent election, while the female partner remains a permanent resident.

According to the post, the couple had openly shared with others that they are not planning to live in Singapore permanently. Instead, they see the BTO flat primarily as an investment opportunity or a contingency plan. This prompted the man to question whether the current public housing system adequately serves citizens who have long-standing ties to the country and who plan to build their future here.

What particularly concerned him was the fact that the male partner did not serve National Service (NS), as he became a citizen in adulthood.

“The man didn’t serve national service because he became a citizen as an adult. Yet, by simply converting, he now has access to heavily subsidised public housing — and the PR partner gets to ride on that privilege too,” he wrote...................

Easy problem to solve...make every adult male PR and naturalized citizens do reservist until mandatory retirement age.
 
I know of an extremely well paid SG professional who continues to be called for NS ICT as a clerk. He is perfectly satisfied to be compensated with his obscene civilian salary while doing no-brainer work in an air-con office in camp for up to 2 weeks every year.
 
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