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Tang Dynasty people did not speak Mandarin !

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HOKKIEN IS ONE OF THE FEW SURVIVING CHINESE LANGUAGES FROM THE TANG DYNASTY


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If you're a Hokkien, do you know Hokkien is the Ancient Imperial Language of China - over 1,000 Years Ago.

If you're a HOKKIEN Take Note !!

You'll be Surprised. You have heard it. You, your parents, or grandparents may still be speaking this ancient, archaic language!

Yes, it's HOKKIEN (Fujian/Minnan Hua 福建话/闽南话)

Hokkien is:

1. The surviving language of the Tang Dynasty (唐朝, 618 - 907 A.D.), China 's Golden Age of Culture.

Note: The Hokkien we hear today may have "evolved" from its original form thousand of years ago, but it still retains the main elements of the Tang Dynasty Language.

2. Hokkiens are the surviving descendants of the Tang Dynasty -- When the Tang Dynasty collapsed, the people of the Tang Dynasty fled South and sought refuge in the Hokkien ( Fujian 福建省) province. Hence, Hokkien called themselves Tng-lang (唐人(比喻为唐朝子孙) Tang Ren or People of the Tang Dynasty) instead of Hua Lang (华人 Hua Ren).

3. Hokkien has 8 tones instead of Mandarin's 4. Linguists claim that ancient languages tend to have more complex tones.

4. Hokkien retains the ancient Chinese pronunciation of "K-sounding" endings (for instance, 学生 Hak Seng (student), 大学 Tua Ok (university), 读册 Thak Chek (read a book/study) -- the "k" sounding ending is not found in Mandarin.

5. The collection of the famous "Three Hundred Tang Dynasty Poems" (唐诗三百首) sound better when recited in Hokkien/Teochew if compared to Mandarin.

6. Consider this for a moment: Today, the Hokkien Nam Yim Ochestral performance still has its roots in ancient Tang dynasty music. Here's the proof: The formation of today Nam Yim ensemble is typically seen in ancient Tang dynasty paintings of musicians.

More Astonishingly:
Although not genetically-related, Hokkiens, Koreans and Japanese share many similar words (which are different from Mandarin). Example: News - 新闻 Shim Bun, World - 世界 Se Kai in Japanese)

That's because Hokkien was the official language of the powerful Tang Dynasty whose influence and language spread to Japan and Korea (just like Latin – where many words were borrowed by the English, French, Italian, etc).


To all 49 Million Hokkien Speakers:

Be Proud of Your Ancient Hokkien Heritage & Language! Speak it Loud and Clear. Teach Your Future Generation this Imperial Language, Less it Fades Away. Be Proud Children of the Tang Emperors.

To all Mandarin-speaking friends out there -- do not look down on your other Chinese friends who do not speak Mandarin – whom you guys fondly refer to as "Bananas". In fact, they are speaking a language which is much more ancient & linguistically complicated than Mandarin.

Keep in mind that Mandarin is just:

1. A Northern Chinese dialect 北方话 (heavily influenced by non-Han Chinese) that was elevated to the status of National Language by Sun Yat Sen (孙中山,原名孙逸仙) for the sake of China’s national unity.

2. Mandarin was never spoken by your proud, imperial Tang Dynasty ancestors. It was probably spoken by the Northern (Non-Han 北方民族) Jurchen (女真族), Mongols (蒙古族) and Manchu (满族(女真族的后代)) minority. Start speaking the language of your ancestors today.
 

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Hokkien is a beautiful language
 

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Unfortunately, in Singapore, especially for the younger folks, Hokkien has degenerated into a shouting match of KNNCCB.

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Hokkien is a beautiful language
 

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They are, I always say they are but only after I've learned them in Australia.

Cantonese history dates back 2000 years.....Putonghua in contrast only 700-800 years old........kns 'dialects' like Cantonese and Hokkien should be language instead.
 

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Hi TS,

Thank you very much... With your education u-tube vcd. I now know that the 8 tones for hokkien is "kan ni lao bu a chao chee by"... very educational indeed!!:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

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There was never a race of Mandarins. It was a class. I remember as a kid, there were Teochew operas my Ah Kong used to watch. There was no such thing as Mandarin opera. Bullshit mother tonque.

Cheers!
 

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The same thing said about Hakka being Tang court language. So we have to take this with a pinch of salt.
Cantonese is Sinonised Vietnamese.
 

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Many kids I spoke to do not even know which dialect group they are from.
This is one of the horrible legacy of LKY and the PAP.
They literally try to destroy the dialects in the red dot in the name of economic growth(i.e trade with China)-when Cantonese speaking Hong Kong is a good example that Mandarin is not nececessary for economic growth.

They have now moved on to a even more sinister motive by crowding the place with low quality immigrants from Pinoyland,India and PRC-again using economic growth as an excuse for political expediency.
 

Narong Wongwan

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Many kids I spoke to do not even know which dialect group they are from.
This is one of the horrible legacy of LKY and the PAP.
They literally try to destroy the dialects in the red dot in the name of economic growth(i.e trade with China)-when Cantonese speaking Hong Kong is a good example that Mandarin is not nececessary for economic growth.

They have now moved on to a even more sinister motive by crowding the place with low quality immigrants from Pinoyland,India and PRC-again using economic growth as an excuse for political expediency.
its good and okay if we ended up speaking mandarin machiam the PRCs or ROCs (which retained their hokkien background despite speaking good mandarin)......but the result was sinkies speaking half fuck mandarin......
 

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No offence to the Hokkien tongue but I doubt Hokkien has alot in common with ancient Tang. Hokkien, together with Cantonese, Foochow, Teochew, Wu (Shanghaiese), Gan and Xiang, probably has alot more in common with the languages of ancient Nan Yue Kingdom than with ancient Tang tongue. The theories in the earlier posting have been repeated many times but that does not mean they are true. I suspect they are manifestation of Hokkien pride meant to identify the more peripheral present with a glorious metropolitan past.

There is a lot of historical evidence that up to 1000 A.D., Fujian and most of southern China was still largely inhabitated by the original Nan Yue tribes - in Fujian, specifically Min Yue. It is the fall of Tang and later of Song, that led to repeated wave of northern Han Chinese migration to the south that changed the demographic landscape of the region. The Hokkien people of today is probably a mixture of Min and Han.

Whilst it was true that the North was invaded by Mongols and Jurchens, these peoples speak languages of the Altalic-Uralic and other linguistic groups which are totally different from the Sino-Tibetan group of languages that Mandarin, Hokkien, Cantonese and various southern dialects belong to. In any case, the population of these nomadic tribes was too small to have significant impact on Mandarin apart from some specialised terms relating to military bureaucracy (e.g., qi or banner) and Beijing (e.g. hutong).

In fact, Hokkien's links with Nan Yue makes it a more exotic tongue that identifies itself closely with the diverse cultures of Southeast Asia. This is especially relevant considering the Fujian's historical maritime links with the region.

My 2 cents worth.

http://twcnomad.blogspot.sg/2009/01/re-singaporeheritage-fw-hokkien-ancient.html


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Being a half breed. I find Cantonese to be a superior dialect to other dialects. Evespecially hokkein. Also hokkien ppl got one kind of funny attitude. Like to nag and damn calculative and stingy. And the dialect is damn crude tooo. Just my rants but its a fact.

Cantonese history dates back 2000 years.....Putonghua in contrast only 700-800 years old........kns 'dialects' like Cantonese and Hokkien should be language instead.
 
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