SDP healthcare plan: Scrap Medisave and increase govt spending

[Ramseth]

Under the SDP's Plan, Medisave will be scrapped and the money returned to one's CPF Ordinary Account. Singaporeans who are employed and earning $1,500 or more will contribute $600 per year into the National Health Investment Fund (NHIF). This will be deducted from their CPF savings.

I don't mind if low-income earners or unemployeds aren't forced to contribute. However, there's a question. Transferring Medisave to Ordinary will result in a lowered interest rate from 4% to 2.5%. Since there's a replacement scheme, Medisave should be refunded in cash to self-employeds (who shouldn't be contributing to CPF at all if not for Medisave) or transferred to Special/Retirement for employees at the same 4% interest rate, isn't it?

 

[kingrant]

Since the proposal has been put together by a group of doctors, I believe they must have something serious to say. I believe we should give the proposal a chance for a fair hearing. SDP should give more examples of every day life of how much an average S'porean pays under the current system and under the proposed scheme.

It goes without saying that the idea is rather socialistic. As with all such schemes, one who keeps himself healthy will probably find him paying slightly more in this new scheme whereas the chronically sick will be paying much less. Of course, anti-socialists will carp that people will try to milk the system and claim more. But proponents will argue that unless one longs or hopes to be sick all the time, he will not be able to milk or exploit the system. Seriously, would you want to be sick just to claim more?

 

[Kinana]

It wasn't put together by a group of doctors. It was SDP proposal, not doctor association proposal.

 

[kingrant]

No need to split hairs. It's def by a gp of docs who are SDP supporters.

It wasn't put together by a group of doctors. It was SDP proposal, not doctor association proposal.

 

[brocoli]

Provided you learn how not to shoot every where. Who will want to bother about engaging you when he has to spend time trying to structured your reply?

It's an advice. If you want others to take you seriously.

which part of the following dun you unstand???

SDP whole proposal is basically a subsidy to govt doctors who can now safely jeck up their prices so they can sipon and skim $$ under the guise of helping the people .... this is not a subsidy to patients...

An excellent locus standing.Feeding PAP dogs like brocoli and Jah rastafar is akin to alerting them to preempt excellent rebuttals.Their methodology is rather simple.Keep on throwing stones; and surely one will hit the target.Sort of a g e n t p r o v o c a t e u r .Than they collect all the data and feed it to PAP ; and prepare themselves well for MSM spin doctoring.

PAP trolls trawl such forums as this for good arguments and rebuttals .....Don't feed these monkeys.

thanks for saying my arguement is good, but yours is pathetic... calling people names is a really good way to defend your point... you still havent answer my questions about sylvia lim...

please respond to me

did you ever donate to JBJ ???

did JBJ ever date you for lunch and movie

did you ever invite JBJ to your house for birthday and drinks???

no answer, fine that settle it

TUCK YEW UNDERSTAND......... WHO is the PAP troll and IB slandering OPp leaders ??? you or me.....

It wasn't put together by a group of doctors. It was SDP proposal, not doctor association proposal.

SDP agenda got hijacked by a bunch of doctors...key word is Drs not Dr.. see above

 

[Ramseth]

SDP whole proposal is basically a subsidy to govt doctors who can now safely jeck up their prices so they can sipon and skim $$ under the guise of helping the people .... this is not a subsidy to patients...

Good observation and well said. Since medical insurance and savings were invented, medical costs rocketed through the atmosphere to space. The medical academia are very happy to support and charge more for medical education too. The doctors having spent hundreds of thousands on their education are pressured to recover their costs too. So they felt no qualms about jacking up their fees as high as the medical insurance system can take.

Sorry can't up the points you deserve since just upped you recently.

 

[Kinana]

Good observation and well said. Since medical insurance and savings were invented, medical costs rocketed through the atmosphere to space. The medical academia are very happy to support and charge more for medical education too. The doctors having spent hundreds of thousands on their education are pressured to recover their costs too. So they felt no qualms about jacking up their fees as high as the medical insurance system can take.

Sorry can't up the points you deserve since just upped you recently.

You are absolutely correct. We cannot be fooled into making the same mistakes as USA and start a vicious cycle of runaway healthcare.

 

[Sadist]

Really? If we Singapore and are so great then why are we so afraid of FT.?
Clearly it's not our poll per SE but the stability n infrastructure that makes us rich

It's a mirage that PAP are trying to paint us, importing FTS by the masses is about numbers, GDP that is.

Infrastructure makes us rich? Yes, temporary and a very expensive one that needs to play catch up and renew all the time and huge cost of maintenance. Where as, invest and natured in talented Singaporean is the way to go. Infrastruture are really passive and need lots of marketing and even more goodies ( tax deduction and so forth ) to attract MNCs, that history has also taught us they can relocate as easy as they come. Talented individual are a completely different, they are active, progressive and spread out across the world, bringing revenue where their business thrive and they can only gets better with time. Secondly, more Singapore would be hired, trained and spread it's wing thorughout the world. Not only that, locals with be inspired by their success and emulate. Which infrastructure can't.

 

[brocoli]

Good observation and well said. Since medical insurance and savings were invented, medical costs rocketed through the atmosphere to space. The medical academia are very happy to support and charge more for medical education too. The doctors having spent hundreds of thousands on their education are pressured to recover their costs too. So they felt no qualms about jacking up their fees as high as the medical insurance system can take.

Sorry can't up the points you deserve since just upped you recently.

haha you up me in sept.... thats not recently ... nevertheless no need .... i appreciate you understand unlike Sadist and Nice Goot....

if you look at all those training providers. they been jacking their training fees since govt start to subsidise training cost...

SDP being scammed by blood sucking rent seeking profiteers who they claim to hate... they are even more dumb fuck than PAP and would definitely be a disaster for singapore...

I have to offer criticism about opposition since PAP IBs like Kinana and GMS are doing such a pathetic job here.... this forum is goin down in shit with 3rd rate IBs who cant even do what they are paid to do....

 

[Sadist]

Good observation and well said. Since medical insurance and savings were invented, medical costs rocketed through the atmosphere to space. The medical academia are very happy to support and charge more for medical education too. The doctors having spent hundreds of thousands on their education are pressured to recover their costs too. So they felt no qualms about jacking up their fees as high as the medical insurance system can take.

Good observation my foot. How is it different from now in terms of $ going to the doctor? Care to expand before spewing rubbish.

 

[Kinana]

It's a mirage that PAP are trying to paint us, importing FTS by the masses is about numbers, GDP that is.

Infrastructure makes us rich? Yes, temporary and a very expensive one that needs to play catch up and renew all the time and huge cost of maintenance. Where as, invest and natured in talented Singaporean is the way to go. Infrastruture are really passive and need lots of marketing and even more goodies ( tax deduction and so forth ) to attract MNCs, that history has also taught us they can relocate as easy as they come. Talented individual are a completely different, they are active, progressive and spread out across the world, bringing revenue where their business thrive and they can only gets better with time. Secondly, more Singapore would be hired, trained and spread it's wing thorughout the world. Not only that, locals with be inspired by their success and emulate. Which infrastructure can't.

Read again, its stability and infrastructure. Don't stray away please.

 

[brocoli]

You are absolutely correct. We cannot be fooled into making the same mistakes as USA and start a vicious cycle of runaway healthcare.

hijacking other people criticism as your own ??? why you haven whack DEnis phua...???

3rd rate IB ... stop copying ...
this the 3rd post where I am asking your boss to give me your job instead..... you totally suck in demoslishing arguements

 

[Sadist]

Read again, its stability and infrastructure. Don't stray away please.

Stabilty has been addressed in my first post. What stray are you talking about?

 

[Ramseth]

Good observation my foot. How is it different from now in terms of $ going to the doctor? Care to expand before spewing rubbish.

Care to explain why from 5,000 years ago to 50 years ago nobody worried about medical costs and there were no doctor millionnaires?

 

[Kinana]

Stabilty has been addressed in my first post. What stray are you talking about?

You mean we can maintain stability by shaving of more than 5 billion/year in defence spending?

 

[brocoli]

Good observation my foot. How is it different from now in terms of $ going to the doctor? Care to expand before spewing rubbish.

are you stupid or what ???

now let say a poly doctor can charge $30 for a consultaion....

under SDP, they will charge $200, and then the patient only pay $20... they get the $180 from the taxpayers...

i see this all the time.... blood sucking doctors

 

[Kinana]

Care to explain why from 5,000 years ago to 50 years ago nobody worried about medical costs and there were no doctor millionnaires?

Because we didn't have prescription drugs only herbs.

 

[Sadist]

Care to explain why from 5,000 years ago to 50 years ago nobody worried about medical costs and there were no doctor millionnaires?

What is this 5,000 year old shit that you are talking about, I am asking you to expand what is the $ different between present and the new proposal, since you said doctor will gets more in the new proposal?

 

[Sadist]

are you stupid or what ???

now let say a poly doctor can charge $30 for a consultaion....

under SDP, they will charge $200, and then the patient only pay $20... they get the $180 from the taxpayers...

i see this all the time.... blood sucking doctors

Did you pluck the figures from your ass hole?

 

[Kinana]

What is this 5,000 year old shit that you are talking about, I am asking you to expand what is the $ different between present and the new proposal, since you said doctor will gets more in the new proposal?

Of course they will. Won't you be more willing to spend on medical procedures and prescription drugs if its all covered by insurance or govt spending?
Are you from another planet? You can't be that ignorant are you?