How Will The PAP Respond?

[zeddy]

How abt his family, siblings and friends? did they benefit monetarily from LKY's position? Is that indirect corruption?

That is called Leegalized corruption..

One set of rules for the Political Elites of this Nation and Another set of rules for the Downtrodden Peasants..

 

[TracyTan866]

The best thing the government can do is incarcerate those who should be grateful to be given top positions and impose the maximum punishment, life imprisonment. Why not, as incentives given should also have sufficient deterrance that fits the crime. Throwing a cigarette butt is $500/- fine, parking fines go as high as $70/= and beating a red light can be as mcu as $1000/=. What about stealing a few dollars or bringing a kilogram of heroin?

If the head of CNB is corrupt, imagine how many kilos of heroin had slipped into Singapore if he had closed one eye? He did not physically bring the drugs in but his inactions might have allowed many drug smugglers to slip through the net.

I am sure the pap will use the law to penalise the SCDF and CNB's former Chiefs wrong doings. But, to me, that is just treating the symptoms and will not prevent another recurrence.

Will the pap go deep into the root cause, do the right thing to prevent such a recurrence?

 

[TracyTan866]

That is called Leegalized corruption..

One set of rules for the Political Elites of this Nation and Another set of rules for the Downtrodden Peasants..

They are able to get away with it because SPH reports only what the pap wants them to report. If SPH had done their duties and go into investigative reporting, such crimes wld have been minimised

 

[TracyTan866]

I think you are trying too hard to pin everything to PAP.

No, I am not trying to pin the PAP. That's leadership responsibility and, unlike you, the PAP knows it cant shy away from such responsibilities.

I am confident the Minister of Home Affairs will give a detailed explanation of what happened and what corrective actions need to be done.

 

[TracyTan866]

So, tell me will it be better of if Chee Soon Juan is Prime Minister and you can say things won't happen if Chee appoints Key Appointment Holders? Before you accuse me of being a SDP hater, I could ask the same question - if Chen Show Mao is Prime Minister, corruption might happen too.

It can happen to whoever is in charge, PAP, SDP, WP. It can even happen under Goh Meng Seng's charge.

Whoever is the Minister , Home Affairs and such things happen under his watch, he is responsible.

If WP is the govt and such things happen, WP is answerable.

It happens that PAP is the govt...so PAP is answerable

 

[elephanto]

Don't think they will opening talk about the root causes. However, just for chit chat, I feel no. 2 is the main culprit and would like to change "Attracting" to "Selecting.."
... that is corrupting the system.

very thoughtful comment.... continue sharing your insights...

 

[Nice-Gook]

The root of the problem of attracting/selecting high calibre candidates for top position is not in recognising talents but the innate character flaws. .

Bro,i like reading your post,i think you are one of the rare few without a political agenda here.

Let me or rather an Indian politician actually who puts the matter in hand more aptly.When charged with corruption he said,as a politician 'am in the business of distributing honey/manna to every sundries,surely you don't expect me not to lick my own hands'.

That's why I like to study how Indian politics operate.It's a great tutor for any aspiring wannebe politician.You learn both sides of the coin.

The point being,the position will corrupt anybody.It's just a question of time...or the right temptation.But we had grown up by PAP spin doctoring that anything can be solved by throwing money at it.

 

[rusty]

I think you are trying too hard to pin everything to PAP.

So, tell me will it be better of if Chee Soon Juan is Prime Minister and you can say things won't happen if Chee appoints Key Appointment Holders? Before you accuse me of being a SDP hater, I could ask the same question - if Chen Show Mao is Prime Minister, corruption might happen too.

It can happen to whoever is in charge, PAP, SDP, WP. It can even happen under Goh Meng Seng's charge.

Agree but SDP,WP,NSP or any other P hasn't got a chance to rule. And if they do, as long as they don't boast how clean they are with obscene salary, generally people will accept it's part of human's nature. PAP, they are not humans and that's the problem to start with.

 

[TracyTan866]

But we had grown up by PAP spin doctoring that anything can be solved by throwing money at it.

Good point. Money doesnt solve everything. Paying big bucks can bring big headaches. But the purpose of being able to pay good money is that you can get people to kow-tow to you. But not everyone will kow-tow for big money and I respect opposition polticians in SG for not kow-towing to big bucks

 

[Fook Seng]

The point being,the position will corrupt anybody.It's just a question of time...or the right temptation.But we had grown up by PAP spin doctoring that anything can be solved by throwing money at it.

Don't think greediness can be paid off.

 

[TracyTan866]

Don't think greediness can be paid off.

Exactly...if one is greedy, he will not have enough..but he will kow-tow to money

 

[@rmadill0]

No, I am not trying to pin the PAP. That's leadership responsibility and, unlike you, the PAP knows it cant shy away from such responsibilities.

I am confident the Minister of Home Affairs will give a detailed explanation of what happened and what corrective actions need to be done.

What detailed explanation? After the investigation is concluded and if there are evidence to suggest that the two chaps are corrupted, they will be brought to the court and face the charges. If you want to know the details, feel free to attend the court proceedings.

 

[TracyTan866]

What detailed explanation? After the investigation is concluded and if there are evidence to suggest that the two chaps are corrupted, they will be brought to the court and face the charges. If you want to know the details, feel free to attend the court proceedings.

Be patient. Wait for PAP's explanation and what actions it will take. It will not stop at the SG Court

 

[Bigfuck]

This isn't a political issue in the first place. A couple of idiots messed up their lives. They are being dealt with accordingly.

A crime is not a political issue. Even if the whole PAP is found corrupt, it is still a couple of idiots that messed up their lives. It is a party affair and not a political issue. They too are being dealt accordingly. LKY brand of alien logic. If you lose all your property in the next flood, it is just ponding and your fault that you did not buy insurance and too bad if the insurance company does not pay for it. But if it floods at LKY's house, it is a Mose's level flooding and all insurances will even pay LKY for damages without and policy taken up. This is the alien equivocating logic of LKY and dogs. The minority of 90% in Singapore and the minority of 99% in the world will always misunderstand LKY and his dogs. They speak in such tongues even 99.9% of all other living species in the world will misunderstand LKY and his dogs. Even when there is a flood, it gets downgraded to a pond by LKY. We should be lucky it did not get downgraded to puddling by LKY & Dogs. 2012 is a good year. Mayan end of the world and the water dragon to bring in the Mose's effect.

 

[halsey02]

you may be right..but high pay doesnt equate to attracting the right people...high pay can attract intelligent crooks..

So LKY is wrong to emphasise on pay ..high pay cuts both ways

Money can never satisfy any person, & anything in this world. It is not pay top money to prevent corruption, it is the moral fibre of the person(s). Money may prevent, but other vices, how?

 

[Bigfuck]

Money can never satisfy any person, & anything in this world. It is not pay top money to prevent corruption, it is the moral fibre of the person(s). Money may prevent, but other vices, how?

I met people motivated by money. There is never enough. When they hit one milestone, they feel empty. They go for more.

 

[escher]

hahaha..u believe this has no political fallouts?

Grow up man, just bloody grow up.

What political fallouts?

This pile of shit is so small compared to the other piles of shit that they threw onto us.

And what did singkies do?

VOTED AND VOTED IN THEM AGAIN TO PILE EVEN MORE SHIT ON US

Why should they change when Singkies did not change?

Why should they change the way they laugh all the way to their banks?

Long live the Burmese. They might well get their freedom way before us in Singkie land.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BALLS, AND WE DID NOT HAVE THE BALLS

 

[batman1]

In Singapore,Scholars are appoiinted to Civil Service Posts,despite character flaws.
In Singapore,Scholars are selected to be PAP MPs after rigorous screening ,despite character flaws.

 

[HTOLAS]

I believe Heng Chee How was a Police Scholar.

Police eat $$$... same same like Detective Lei, black is them, white also them!

No wonder no police in Parliament, only ex-army, navy and airforce...

 

[Windsor]

Bro,i like reading your post,i think you are one of the rare few without a political agenda here.

Let me or rather an Indian politician actually who puts the matter in hand more aptly.When charged with corruption he said,as a politician 'am in the business of distributing honey/manna to every sundries,surely you don't expect me not to lick my own hands'.

That's why I like to study how Indian politics operate.It's a great tutor for any aspiring wannebe politician.You learn both sides of the coin.

The point being,the position will corrupt anybody.It's just a question of time...or the right temptation.But we had grown up by PAP spin doctoring that anything can be solved by throwing money at it.

Thank you for recognising that I am not as SamLeong thinks, a libertine. I whack the PAP government or the opposition if I think they are wrong. I also will praise them if they did the right thing. I sincerely believe strongly that we need more opposing voices to have a proper check and balance of government's policies. As of now, I see them as practicing elitism, cronyism and authoritarian. Times have change and they should adopt new strategies and be quicker in implementation. A very good example in recent times was the removal of the SMRT CEO and the length of time to debate on the ministerial pay. This put them in a bad light and ultimately the negative perception of the PAP by the people will remain for a long time. Cases like these only reinforces the negative aspecrts of having a know-it-all government.