NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bother!

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Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I support 3 corner fight. Every party should be free to contest where they want. All this talks of territorial right is rubbish. If we want to talk about this, EC is PAP territory and does not belong to WP. Hence I see no reason why NSP or other parties can't contest here. Same for Tampines or MP GRC.

3 corner fight is only good when PAP doesn't win it.

I am not talking about territorial rights but rather, sustained effort on the GRCs that they had fought but lost. No point hoping around and hopping for a lucky break.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I will just take your words at face value for a while.

It is NEVER good for opposition if there are 3 corner fights unless opposition has already gained at least one third of the seats. Your logic is weird, just like Alex Au.

In terms of progressive development, the first objective has been achieved. i.e. breaking the fortress of PAP GRC. But I don't think we should be carried away. The second objective is to deprive PAP the two third majority so that they don't just change the rules and shift the goal post as and when they like. After that is achieved, then we can assume that we will have a relatively fair playing field for everybody and go for 3 corner or multi-corner fight. To suggest that 3 corner fight in 2016 or next GE is "alright" and "good for opposition" is just too naive.

Normal people can see this clearly, I don't see why you can't see it so clearly. It is not about "chopping seat with tissue paper" but rather, to make sure that effort on the ground could be consistently carried out without any wastage due to duplication. This is the fundamental difference I have with WP members like Ramseth. There are "traditional ground" in which certain opposition parties have worked on, though everywhere is "fair game" to any party. But for people who are responsible and have bigger picture of political development for Singapore, they would not just bully their way and try to capitalize on other people's work.

Well, if opposition parties still chose to fight themselves and disrespect of the work/effort others have put in, then they deserve to stay stagnant.


Goh Meng Seng

U don't have to think too much. I have nothing to do with WP.

It a foregone conclusion that we will see more 3 corner fights in 2016, so might as well make it free-for-all. This will benefit PAP in 2016 but it good for opposition cause in the long run as it a good time to get rid of parties who can't perform. So parties who chop seats with tissue packs will know where they stand.

 

[ssrrvv11]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I will just take your words at face value for a while.


Normal people can see this clearly, I don't see why you can't see it so clearly. It is not about "chopping seat with tissue paper" but rather, to make sure that effort on the ground could be consistently carried out without any
Goh Meng Seng

gms,

say ppl say yourself lah.

every1 except sour-grapes gms acknowledge that wp's win in aljunied with 54% is a stunning result. except mr bitter/bitchy gms who chose to term it as 'nothing exceptional'.

 

[3_M]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I will just take your words at face value for a while.

It is NEVER good for opposition if there are 3 corner fights unless opposition has already gained at least one third of the seats. Your logic is weird, just like Alex Au.

In terms of progressive development, the first objective has been achieved. i.e. breaking the fortress of PAP GRC. But I don't think we should be carried away. The second objective is to deprive PAP the two third majority so that they don't just change the rules and shift the goal post as and when they like. After that is achieved, then we can assume that we will have a relatively fair playing field for everybody and go for 3 corner or multi-corner fight. To suggest that 3 corner fight in 2016 or next GE is "alright" and "good for opposition" is just too naive.

Goh Meng Seng

your sequence of event only happen in the perfect world. With the current state of our opposition, we will have to wait for another 40 years with the status quo. I don't see how those weaker opposition parties can ever win any seats with their current states. So instead of hogging on to the slots not able to perform, might as well let the better player do the job?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

You are assuming too much here.

Impermanence is the only TRUTH in this universe. What you may see as "better" may be "rotten" later. PAP was the "better" option in the 50s and 60s, still is considered by 60% of Singaporeans. But will it always stay that way?

There is no better or not. Many people thought SDP was "gone case" but it has proven that with new injection of good people, it could just turn its image around WITHIN ONE GE!

The distribution is more or less Normal. Maybe it is just unfortunate WP has tasted blood in 3 corner fight in Pungol East with a weaker opponent. Maybe it would be better for wasting just a bit more resources and let it face real contest with strong candidates from other opposition parties in a 3 corner fight. Then heads can be more levelled. Well, on second thought, you may be right, it is "good" for "opposition parties" (like WP) to go into 3 corner fight (with stronger candidates from other opposition party).

Goh Meng Seng

your sequence of event only happen in the perfect world. With the current state of our opposition, we will have to wait for another 40 years with the status quo. I don't see how those weaker opposition parties can ever win any seats with their current states. So instead of hogging on to the slots not able to perform, might as well let the better player do the job?

 

[3_M]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I think you sounded too optimistic for SDP and if you really are so sure that 3 corner fight is bad, then ask those NSP people to stay away in EC.

With the current situation, opposition as a whole is only as strong as it weakest link.

Imagine you have a situation where part B wins 20% of the seats short of 1/3. Party c,d,e,f didn't win any. And party B can't expand further because other areas have already been "chopped". So what are we going to do? Give party c,d,e,f another 40 years to buck up before we reach that 1/3 target? or go straight into a 3 corner fight?

opposition supporters are doing themselves great injustices by allowing weaker parties to stand in the way of stronger oppositions.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

3M, but you must believe in your own teaching! There is no such "perfect world" here!

NSP may go into EC basically because Eric Tan, the key leader of the team has resigned from WP. Even if NSP stay away from EC, there is no guarantee that WP will not go into Tampines or Marine Parade! That was what happened during GE2011 as in the case of MK!

I think the new NSP leadership is making preparation for the eventuality of an all out total "confrontation" with WP if WP insisted to contest in Tampines and Marine Parade. They would go all out to contest EC, MK Seng Kang & Pungol SMCs and Nee Soon GRC, maybe except Hougang and Aljunied. Well, that is on the context of "if and only if" WP insists on contesting Tampines and/or Marine Parade. I may be wrong and hope I am wrong but this is basically my reading.

Goh Meng Seng

If you really are so sure that 3 corner fight is bad, then ask those NSP people to stay away in EC.

With the current situation, opposition as a whole is only as strong as it weakest link.

Imagine you have a situation where part B win 20% of the seats short of 1/3. Party c,d,e,f didn't win any. And party B can't expand further because other areas have already been "chopped". So what are we going to do? Give party c,d,e,f another 40 years to buck up before we reach that 1/3 target?

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I think you sounded too optimistic for SDP and if you really are so sure that 3 corner fight is bad, then ask those NSP people to stay away in EC.

3M, as for SDP, it is not about me being "too optimistic" or not! Don't you respect GE result any more? SDP in HBT has garnered 39%! Even in Sembawang, as compared to their GE2006 result, there is a significant jump as well.

I will never underestimate SDP after this GE2011.

Goh Meng Seng

 

[3_M]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I am happy to see his development. After all letting the voters decides who get to win and lose their deposit is sure the fairest way. Can't fault any party on this.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

Yup. But don't be surprised if there are 3 corner fights in Hougang as well as Aljunied as well. That would be the worst case scenario.

Goh Meng Seng

I am happy to see his development. After all letting the voters decides who get to win and lose their deposit is sure the fairest way. Can't fault any party on this.

 

[3_M]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

Not that I want to pour cold water at SDP,( I know a particular faggot is watching this), with the credential of SDP A"team, getting a 40% is really pathetic.

Even NSP teams which consist of storekeeper and sales executive did better than them.

 

[Perspective]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

U don't have to think too much. I have nothing to do with WP.

It a foregone conclusion that we will see more 3 corner fights in 2016, so might as well make it free-for-all. This will benefit PAP in 2016 but it good for opposition cause in the long run as it a good time to get rid of parties who can't perform. So parties who chop seats with tissue packs will know where they stand.

I think Singapore would come of age if we can have a 2 party system or even 3 party system despite having 3 corner fights. Past heavily contested elections result in one PAP because people always see it as PAP vs others. But I would support lowering deposit loss from 12.5% to 5% and reduce deposit from 1/8 of MP salary to $2,000 maximum.

 

[3_M]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

Yup. But don't be surprised if there are 3 corner fights in Hougang as well as Aljunied as well. That would be the worst case scenario.

Goh Meng Seng

Sure. How deep is your pocket?

 

[3_M]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

I think Singapore would come of age if we can have a 2 party system or even 3 party system despite having 3 corner fights. Past heavily contested elections result in one PAP because people always see it as PAP vs others. But I would support lowering deposit loss from 12.5% to 5% and reduce deposit from 1/8 of MP salary to $2,000 maximum.

On the contrary, the deposit should be raised 3 folds from the current level.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

You give SDP "handicap" (in golf terms) in terms of party branding. The point is this, no matter which opposition party, if you have good candidates (perceived or otherwise), it is possible that you could overcome such handicap. And this is dual process, these individuals will help to uplift the party branding, as I have explained before.

Party branding and individual candidates' strength are tightly linked and related, though they may have different impact on the party's standing during polls.

Unfortunately, TJS has resigned from SDP to stand for PE and it seems that he is not going back to SDP any sooner. This may affect or limit the impact to SDP's revamp of image altogether. But the final result is yet to be seen.

Goh Meng Seng

Not that I want to pour cold water at SDP,( I know a particular faggot is watching this), with the credential of SDP A"team, getting a 40% is really pathetic.

Even NSP teams which consist of storekeeper and sales executive did better than them.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

Err... not my pocket lah!

The new NSP leadership is very well off and could afford such final showdown. And there are very qualified people joining NSP now. I heard (I may be wrong) there is one Senior Counsel and some high profile individuals as well.

Goh Meng Seng

Sure. How deep is your pocket?

 

[3_M]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

That the way it should be, healthy competition.

 

[Goh Meng Seng]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

Haha... but but.. count me out.

I don't believe in such premature 3 corner fights for Singapore's political development's sake. Nope. I have tried to stop it from happening during my term of NSP SG and I think that's the best I can do. If it is going to happen in 2016 or next GE, hell, nope, I am not going to be part of it.

Goh Meng Seng

P.S. but on second thought, maybe you could convince me otherwise.

That the way it should be, healthy competition.

 

[Perspective]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

On the contrary, the deposit should be raised 3 folds from the current level.

Whatever the case, 3 corners are a form of political development if it doesn't yield results for just 1 party. If good opposition forever needs to resort to contesting in limited areas, THAT is premature.

 

[Perspective]

Re: NSP Bitch Jeannette spotted @ East Coast GRC since worker "PARTY GAL" cant be bot

your sequence of event only happen in the perfect world. With the current state of our opposition, we will have to wait for another 40 years with the status quo. I don't see how those weaker opposition parties can ever win any seats with their current states. So instead of hogging on to the slots not able to perform, might as well let the better player do the job?

Yes, but these "weaker opposition" don't think they are weak and had long invented the arguments that better opposition scores more poorly because of persecution (i.e. SDP) or now a newer one that says better scoring opposition scores better only because of the brand name but in reality has less substance than other opposition parties. This hence to justify that they still have the god given right to be around. Although I think they are weak not because they score poorly but because they think themselves better than others (the number one killer trait in life), at least you got to credit them for inventing clever arguments to stay on.