Agree TCB and TJS seem to have their hearts in the right place. Lets see how it works out.
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Tan Jee Say and Tan Cheng Bock in Talks
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I am sure many people were also surprised by the quick decisions.
The problem here is they have no good reasons to disqualify TKL. Thus they have to choose option two.
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They are reasonable people and working out what's best for Singapore. Its an interesting phase in Singapore politics where in the past horse trading for 3 cornered fights was relatively rougher and the needs of satisfying party membership was important. Here there are no parties and the individuals are matured, qualified and tend to think along rational lines. The outcome maybe that they all will run if it means that they won't get the presidency but it may lead to TT getting votes below 50% which would not reflect well on the establishment.
Kin Lian expect the game to be fair to him - but he never play fair when dealing with his managers and sacking people he don't like in NTUC. (eg Anthony Chan's predecessor)
He only want well-behaved and orderly voters and pretty girls. Just remember that he and only he will have the correct answers. Using his humble beginning is another appeal to humble uneducated chinese speakers.
His son is even more "humble".
TKL is an unknown quality and quite erratic. He has rubbed enough people the wrong way and I think he shot himself in the foot too many times to even be constructive in any negotiations. These guys are smart and they might work out a solution and then approach TKL. For TKL unless he is going to lose his deposit ( which he has stated a few times which will come from his pocket) the run will be free still be good for him for the next GE. After all he has been collecting funds from the public. No skin off his back unless he gets thrashed badly. Anyway people like Freddy Neo will like to have their find at the expense of others.
It's a pretty uncomfortable 4 corner fight. Apart from TT, the remaining 3 must be feeling the heat. If TJS and TCB are in talks without TKL, it may ultimately end up a 3 corner, and still may not be good enough to significantly diminish TT's chances of getting the seat. Now the situation calls for these 3 to re-align their objective from one that is selfishly for himself to another that will give TT a run for his money. Some sacrifices got to be made. They do not have much choice anymore. For us, 27 Aug will be just another public holiday, without the excitement of coz.
Actually if the 4 of them are in for nomination for PE, that will be the best.
It will be a shame if any one withdraws out now. But if it is TT whom withdraws, then that is another different scenario.
If TT is in, the other 3 candidacy-eligibles, should go on.
The worst show is to have 2 candidates because that will undermine the other with lesser or no unions' support, no media support, etc, to contest in an obviously unfair and bias manner with TT.
However if it is a 3 candidates election, then at least it will be a 33.33%, or a spread between the media attention to focus on the two.
The best is to have more candidates, however not too much either, otherwise more than 4 will kill the soup.
4 is just the best for the nomination to run beautiful and all of them to run in good fight.
After all that hoo-ha to gain qualification, anyone who is giving up at this stage before nomination day is just a joke on themselves and undermining the seriousness of the PE, and definitely be a few slashes across their reputation.
It will be a shame if any one withdraws out now. But if it is TT whom withdraws, then that is another different scenario.
If TT is in, the other 3 candidacy-eligibles, should go on.
The worst show is to have 2 candidates because that will undermine the other with lesser or no unions' support, no media support, etc, to contest in an obviously unfair and bias manner with TT.
However if it is a 3 candidates election, then at least it will be a 33.33%, or a spread between the media attention to focus on the two.
The best is to have more candidates, however not too much either, otherwise more than 4 will kill the soup.
4 is just the best for the nomination to run beautiful and all of them to run in good fight.
After all that hoo-ha to gain qualification, anyone who is giving up at this stage before nomination day is just a joke on themselves and undermining the seriousness of the PE, and definitely be a few slashes across their reputation.
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I agree and maybe even more. Chua Kim Yeow got 40% without doing anything and a total unknown. TJS is well known.
I did not expect TJS to qualify under that particular clause and I am still wondering why. I am sure others are in a similar boat. But it provides a new dimension to the whole PE and certainly assures TT seat.
I used to think along these lines as the entrenched need to stick to the known is very high in SIgnapore. If it is a straight fight with TJS and the social media kicks in big times, it may be different. This may be a proxy GE for th disgruntled for those who are disenfranchised. Imagine a singapore family cannot cook curry unless their FT neighbours are out. TPL case, the FTs making fun of Singapore, the Govt pulling all the strings for TT's candidacy.
I am remember the first PE. Even OTC was shocked by the results not to mention the other candidate and the whole of Singapore. All you needed was a 13% swing. Any you did it in Tampines.
Interesting times.
I am remember the first PE. Even OTC was shocked by the results not to mention the other candidate and the whole of Singapore. All you needed was a 13% swing. Any you did it in Tampines.
Interesting times.
Indeed. Now, a precedent is set such that we suddenly have many MDs that are in fund management business (managing over $100mil) eligible to be EPs?
I think they going to change how PE works. The fact that Shanmugam has to reclarify his clarification is telling as forummer confuseous aptly put it.
I never seen anyone slowly but surely self-destructing. I am told that he does not have the Chinese speaking ground as he is the only one they can relate to - hobson's choice.
It is difficult to map a clear guide and designation for the private sector unlike the Public Service. You can have a CEO running a $2 shop after coming out of school in a month. The same cannot be said of a Perm Sec. The interesting part is High Court Judges don't qualify. Thats bizarre.
TJS is indeed more popular in Cyberspace then TCB especially amongst the vocal internet users. But then again, cyberspace only represent a fraction of the vote bank and the fight is out there on the hinterland.
TJS would know every well by now from the GE experience that walking the ground is critical in winning votes and his branding is still behind TCB in the heartlands. His decision to continue or not should be rational factoring both the vocal support from netizens as well as a realistic assessment of the vote share from the mainstream voters.
yes, you need Cheng Bock to stay in the contest to split the PAP votes.
talking about Jee Say, PAP voters see him as a SDP candidate though he may be no more a member , he can only win Oppo votes which have to be shared amongst.
Kin Lian is an Oppo figure in the eyes of the PAP voters, he too also must struggle to win the already diluted Oppo votes.
If only Cheng bock and TT contest, it is like PAP vs PAP. Spoilt votes will very high ! Cheng Bock may lose !
Cheng Bock stays to diluted PAP votes and one of the other tans withdraw, and TT may lose !
Cheng -Bock votes will hinder TT to win but Cheng Bock may also lose !
The other Tan who stays may win the race !
Three corner fight may not be good for TT but if Cheng Bock and Jee say cannot reap benefit.........4 corner fight seems unavoidable !
The chair is given to Tony by the three Tans because of face !
talking about Jee Say, PAP voters see him as a SDP candidate though he may be no more a member , he can only win Oppo votes which have to be shared amongst.
Kin Lian is an Oppo figure in the eyes of the PAP voters, he too also must struggle to win the already diluted Oppo votes.
If only Cheng bock and TT contest, it is like PAP vs PAP. Spoilt votes will very high ! Cheng Bock may lose !
Cheng Bock stays to diluted PAP votes and one of the other tans withdraw, and TT may lose !
Cheng -Bock votes will hinder TT to win but Cheng Bock may also lose !
The other Tan who stays may win the race !
Three corner fight may not be good for TT but if Cheng Bock and Jee say cannot reap benefit.........4 corner fight seems unavoidable !
The chair is given to Tony by the three Tans because of face !
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