Worthless Chinese Steal Stealth Fighter Technology From Crashed F-117 in 1999

[londoncabby]

Copycat China no talent no brain idiots!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...er_jet_based_off_us_tech_official.html?r=news

China stealth fighter jet, J-20, based off downed U.S. F-117 Nighthawk technology: military official

By Michael Sheridan
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Monday, January 24th 2011, 2:36 PM

The stealth fighter jet developed by China may have utilized technology from a downed United States plane, military officials in the Balkans claim.

Parts of a F-117 Nighthawk were allegedly bought from farmers who recovered pieces of the wreckage, according to Adm. Davor Domazet-Loso, Croatia's military chief of staff during the Kosovo war.

"We believe the Chinese used those materials to gain an insight into secret stealth technologies ... and to reverse-engineer them," he said, The Associated Press reports.

The Nighthawk was downed by a Serbian anti-aircraft missile during a bombing raid in March 1999. It was the first time one of the fighters had been hit, and the Pentagon blamed clever tactics and sheer luck. The pilot ejected and was rescued.

A senior Serbian military official confirmed that pieces of the wreckage were removed by souvenir collectors, and that some ended up "in the hands of foreign military attaches."

Zoran Kusovac, a Rome-based military consultant, said the regime of the former Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic routinely shared captured western equipment with its Chinese and Russian allies. "The destroyed F-117 topped that wish-list for both the Russians and Chinese," he said.

Reports about a Chinese stealth fighter jet, dubbed the J-20, surfaced in recent weeks when photos of the aircraft were posted online. They were then featured in a China-based newspaper.

The Communist country later confirmed the existence of the plane when a test flight coincided with a visit by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates.

China's advancements in military technology have raised some eyebrows in Washington.

"[China] clearly [has] potential to put some of our capabilities at risk," Gates told reporters traveling with him to Asia. "We have to pay attention to them, we have to respond appropriately with our own programs."

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[HellAngel]

No talent maybe but they are smart. Their R&D would be much lower than the Americans.

Copycat China no talent no brain idiots!

 

[Maximilian Chua-Heng]

And that's why the US bombed the China Embassy in Belgrade in 1999?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade

 

[wikiphile]

Well that could explain how they pretty much leap frogged in their advances in stealth technology development, what took the US decades to research they did it in slightly over one

 

[zuoom]

why re-invent the wheel when there's already a wheel to reference on?

 

[hairylee]

It is no longer Stealth if it can be shot down.

 

[Wang Ye]

Reverse engineering.

 

[wikiphile]

It is no longer Stealth if it can be shot down.

stealth does not mean it cannot be seen, its just harder to detect thats all

 

[tun_dr_m]

American sore losers and anti-PRCs are sad and angry about J-20.

But actually there is nothing very great about it. Soon Indians and Japs & Koreans will all build some.The real challenge today is not stealth planes actually it is outdated.

It is mere hallucination that these plane were really undetectable, because they indeed are detectable by PASSIVE RADAR & most importantly THERMAL missiles.

Today's challenge is to have planes UN-MANed cheap and fast to produce instead of stealth. Where you can use missiles and satellites and un-man probes do it as cheaply and effectively as you can. PRC is LEADING this area.

Intel are gathered by probes and satellites instead of planes, attacks are completed by missiles - all done CHEAPLY and REMOTELY and enemy is quite helpless because they can try to shoot these unman machines but only more will come quickly, and they are killed.

Most important advantage of PRC & KN soldiers is unlike USA GIs - they are unafraid to die, injured or be captured, they have always just more soldiers to replace the losses.

American cowards are afraid to die, that's why they tried to be SHIELDED by so called Technologies, which are usually just expensive and hopeless. They are so threatened when they lost so called high tech advantage. They can cry they can die but they can not win.

 

[wikiphile]

American sore losers and anti-PRCs are sad and angry about J-20.

But actually there is nothing very great about it. Soon Indians and Japs & Koreans will all build some.The real challenge today is not stealth planes actually it is outdated.

It is mere hallucination that these plane were really undetectable, because they indeed are detectable by PASSIVE RADAR & most importantly THERMAL missiles.

Today's challenge is to have planes UN-MANed cheap and fast to produce instead of stealth. Where you can use missiles and satellites and un-man probes do it as cheaply and effectively as you can. PRC is LEADING this area.

Intel are gathered by probes and satellites instead of planes, attacks are completed by missiles - all done CHEAPLY and REMOTELY and enemy is quite helpless because they can try to shoot these unman machines but only more will come quickly, and they are killed.

Most important advantage of PRC & KN soldiers is unlike USA GIs - they are unafraid to die, injured or be captured, they have always just more soldiers to replace the losses.

American cowards are afraid to die, that's why they tried to be SHIELDED by so called Technologies, which are usually just expensive and hopeless. They are so threatened when they lost so called high tech advantage. They can cry they can die but they can not win.

man for man, the 'heavily armed' and 'well equipped' Americans are ah guas compared to the pakistan and afghanistan peasants armed with AK47s and RPGs

 

[tun_dr_m]

man for man, the 'heavily armed' and 'well equipped' Americans are ah guas compared to the pakistan and afghanistan peasants armed with AK47s and RPGs

Precisely!

The fact that F117 can be shot down means it is NOT STEALTH.

That being stealth is only the IMAGINATION of these American cowards, you know like the Emperor's New (Stealth) Clothes.

I believe that the REAL meaning for PRC to make a J-20 is mainly a Psychological Warfare, to let Washington feel that Beijing already have their dick in it's ass, and that their own balls are also now in the hands of Hu Jin Tao. Then the attitude and bargaining position as well as (most importantly) their strategic plans and deployment and defense budget and confidence in war, are all changed for once and for all.

Beijing is 100% successful in these.

 

[longbow]

Problem is F117 totally different from J20

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk

F117 used many angular surfaces to bounce of radar thus creating smaller signal. It was not supersonic, slow, no super cruise,

US has since moved away from that method and now uses special stealth "material" "paint".

The J20 is more akin to the more F22 with smooth surfaces, supersonic and super cruise. I seriously doubt if Chinese copied the F117

Here is pix of J-20

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

The biggest impact to PLA was that during the Balkan wars they saw US military technology and realized that the good old numeric superiority was useless. The Chinese were there watching what was happening.

Immediately after Balkans, PLA downsized their forces and used the savings to improved the technology rather than size. What we are seeing today are fundamental lessons learnt by the Chinese during that war. The next watershed event was US dispatching 2 carriers to the Taiwan Straits.

 

[wikiphile]

Problem is F117 totally different from J20

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-117_Nighthawk

F117 used many angular surfaces to bounce of radar thus creating smaller signal. It was not supersonic, slow, no super cruise,

US has since moved away from that method and now uses special stealth "material" "paint".

The J20 is more akin to the more F22 with smooth surfaces, supersonic and super cruise. I seriously doubt if Chinese copied the F117

Here is pix of J-20

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_J-20

The biggest impact to PLA was that during the Balkan wars they saw US military technology and realized that the good old numeric superiority was useless. The Chinese were there watching what was happening.

Immediately after Balkans, PLA downsized their forces and used the savings to improved the technology rather than size. What we are seeing today are fundamental lessons learnt by the Chinese during that war. The next watershed event was US dispatching 2 carriers to the Taiwan Straits.

I believed the chinese were interested in the RAM (Radar Absorbing Material) of the F117

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar-absorbent_material

 

[Gatchaman Jun G-3]

Knowing the QC of PRC, I just hope the plane don't self-destruct midway.

 

[wikiphile]

Knowing the QC of PRC, I just hope the plane don't self-destruct midway.

if you scratch away the paint work of the fuselage, you just might read "Milo, Ovaltine, Khong Guan..."

 

[Rogue Trader]

Copycat China no talent no brain idiots!

Please read up about Qian xuesen before making comments like these. Dr Qian was one of the inventors of the jet propulsion technology and a big player in Nasa's space race before being placed on house arrest by the US.

 

[wikiphile]

Please read up about Qian xuesen before making comments like these. Dr Qian was one of the inventors of the jet propulsion technology and a big player in Nasa's space race before being placed on house arrest by the US.

US of A's loss was Mao Zedong's gain

 

[Gatchaman Jun G-3]

if you scratch away the paint work of the fuselage, you just might read "Milo, Ovaltine, Khong Guan..."

You can probably find these tins as their engines too.

 

[Rogue Trader]

US of A's loss was Mao Zedong's gain

I had watched a documentary about this guy when I was in primary school. After detainment for a few years in US, Dr qian came back to china a started the rocket program with zero help from US and the Soviets. They developed satellite launch capability through trial and error, just like Nasa and Sputnik in the space race.

In short, the chinese is definitely capable of accomplishing anything through the full development lifecycle ... but why should they? Reverse engineering of captured technology is much cheaper and faster.

 

[hairylee]

stealth does not mean it cannot be seen, its just harder to detect thats all

Yes, it means it can be detected and can still be shot down; so it is not invincible as claimed when it came into service.