Greatest golden eras in Asian civilisation ever .....

[Char_Azn]

The Great Wall actually started with many separate walls during the Warring States period. After Qin Shihuang conquered all the states and united China, he started the project to link them up into one single wall. It fell into disuse in subsequent dynasties as it wasn't logistically feasible to station army all along the wall so long. Only a few vital points were guarded. The experience of defeat of Song Dynasty in the hands of Jin and Mongolia prompted Ming Dynasty to relook at the Great Wall policy. It was extensively renovated and reinforced and guarded at more points.

However, the crucial keyholder to the first gate north-east, Wu Sangui (great*x uncle of GMS), opened the gate for the Manchurian army to march in unopposed. He was promoted by the succeeding Qing Dynasty from Field Marshal to Duke of Yunnan. At the reign of the 2nd Qing Emperor Kangxi, WSG revolted again but failed. Some of his surviving kins fled to Hainan.

This was what Ying Zheng built

Qin Shi Huang conquered all opposing states and unified China in 221 BC, establishing the Qin Dynasty. Intending to impose centralized rule and prevent the resurgence of feudal lords, he ordered the destruction of the wall sections that divided his empire along the former state borders. To protect the empire against intrusions by the Xiongnu people from the north, he ordered the building of a new wall to connect the remaining fortifications along the empire's new northern frontier. Transporting the large quantity of materials required for construction was difficult, so builders always tried to use local resources. Stones from the mountains were used over mountain ranges, while rammed earth was used for construction in the plains.

This was what I meant by the current one we see today

Unlike the earlier Qin fortifications, the Ming construction was stronger and more elaborate due to the use of bricks and stone instead of rammed earth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Wall_of_China

Basically we can't see any traces of the original wall. Discovery have a very good documentary on this

 

[Liquigas]

Another great Asian civilisation is the Mughal Empire which ruled the Indian subcontinent from the 16th to 18th centuries. Their contributions are to be found in architecture (Taj Mahal), art, music & cuisine and their influence can be felt till today. The founder of the dynasty Babur is a direct descendant of Genghis Khan and Timur Lame. The early Mughals are Turkised Mongols but in later years had become essentially Persianized in their way of life.

 

[Equalisation]

Another great Asian civilisation is the Mughal Empire which ruled the Indian subcontinent from the 16th to 18th centuries. Their contributions are to be found in architecture (Taj Mahal), art, music & cuisine and their influence can be felt till today. The founder of the dynasty Babur is a direct descendant of Genghis Khan and Timur Lame. The early Mughals are Turkised Mongols but in later years had become essentially Persianized in their way of life.

Agree. ... but barely visible .... if u know what i mean, especially at nite ...:o

 

[Ramseth]

Another great Asian civilisation is the Mughal Empire which ruled the Indian subcontinent from the 16th to 18th centuries. Their contributions are to be found in architecture (Taj Mahal), art, music & cuisine and their influence can be felt till today. The founder of the dynasty Babur is a direct descendant of Genghis Khan and Timur Lame. The early Mughals are Turkised Mongols but in later years had become essentially Persianized in their way of life.

Indus valley and Indian sub-continental civilisation had always been bedeviled by the Hindu caste system and belief in resignation to fate to wait for a better next life. Such fantasies never originated from Europe and China, where you if you work hard enough and are smart enough, you'll rise to somewhere in this life. The greatest disservice Indians did to Chinese was the exportation of the belief in reincarnation by way through Buddhism, under the guise of universal love.

This is a political and suppressive tool diguised as religion to extract compliance from slaves so that they served the nobilities without complaint or revolt in hope for a better rebirth after this life. Fat crap hope!

The Chinese rulers weren't that stupid too. The dynastic emperors promoted Buddhism in ancient China as they saw the advantage it had for soft compliance of the masses to rulership. Christianity was banned or restricted as it bears no advantage for the ruling classes.

 

[0939]

Actually the tomb of Qin Emperor(the Terracota Army) is generally considered to be more impressive(by the ang mohs) then the great wall and the great wall we know today is actually constructed during the Ming Dynasty(2nd last dynasty). The one that the Qin Emperor built was closer to that of a m&d wall then the brick wall we see today

You are right. I never see so many ang-mos in Xian. they are there for the terracottas.

 

[Zombie]

The golden era of China was Tang Dynasty under Li Shimin. Even Japan acknowleged Tang China as superior and supreme.

Tang is over.. else we'll have these girls for catwalk..

 

[Sideswipe]

My specialty studies was Modern Chinese History, starting from on or before the Taiping Rebellion, through the formation of, "Chung Hua Ming Guo", the warlords period, KMT & the rise of CCP. Then, the study on Chinese communism throughout SEA, plus the migration of the Chinese to Nanyang & elsewhere.

then you shall know how evil and wicked the Chinese Communists are. Marco Polo Bridge Incident was likely a CCP conspiracy to provoke a full scale war between China and Japan. The fall of Nationalist China were largely due to these five assholes - Stalin, George Marshall, Owen Lattimore, Henry Dexter White and Ji Chaoding.

 

[halsey02]

then you shall know how evil and wicked the Chinese Communists are. Marco Polo Bridge Incident was likely a CCP conspiracy to provoke a full scale war between China and Japan. The fall of Nationalist China were largely due to these five assholes - Stalin, George Marshall, Owen Lattimore, Henry Dexter White and Ji Chaoding.

There was a huge melting pot of foreign hands with local traitors, opportunists and so forth that I cried my heart out studying mondern Chinese history, going backwards to ancient days, as required by the sylllabus.

I cried for us, Chinese...thousand years of history & can't even build a homogenous country, unlike the Japanese that had the Meiji. We let outsiders lead us by the nose, screw our b@#$%^ , steal resources, rape the land & people.....and yet we call each other Brothers! :p

 

[Sideswipe]

The relationship between Manchuria and China from Tang to Ming dynasties was like Scotland and England as part of UK. Manchuria overrunning and taking over China wasn't considered a foreign invasion. In fact, many high ranking Han (Ming officials) supported that shift of power and change of government in view of the decadence of the late Ming period. It was just civil war, just like PRC v. ROC. Manchurians are half-blooded Han and half-blooded Jin if traced back to the Warring State of Zhao.

The Manchu was a foreign ethnic race outside the northern borders of China. They conquered Ming Dynasty, chose to integrate themselves into the majority Chinese culture, not the other way round as time passed. Eventually Manchu fully assimilated themselves to the Han and adopting their civilization. It was a foreign invasion when Qing invaded Ming.

Jurchens has blood lines traced back to the the Warring State of Zhao?

 

[Sideswipe]

There was a huge melting pot of foreign hands with local traitors, opportunists and so forth that I cried my heart out studying mondern Chinese history, going backwards to ancient days, as required by the sylllabus.

Yes, The Republican Era of China was very tragic and sad which ended in the Fall of China to the Chinese Communists that lead to the disasters of Chinese Peoples in the later part of 20th Century. The Defeat of Nationalist China was also USA biggest diplomatic failure in their history.

 

[Cruxx]

Qin Dynasty under Shih Huang Ti and Tokugawa Shogunate under Shogun Ieya susu ....

Rubbish. It's Ming Dynasty under Yongle Emperor. It's laissez-faire capitalism at its best. The economy was totally deregulated, foreign trade increased, taxes were low so that peasants can hoard their riches and become petit bourgeois rather than share with lesser mortals. And don't forget the explorations of Zheng He during this golden period of Chinese history.

 

[Equalisation]

Rubbish. It's Ming Dynasty under Yongle Emperor. It's laissez-faire capitalism at its best. The economy was totally deregulated, foreign trade increased, taxes were low so that peasants can hoard their riches and become petit bourgeois rather than share with lesser mortals. And don't forget the explorations of Zheng He during this golden period of Chinese history.

Blah ... blah ... blah .....:(

Tokugawa Shogunate the best lah !!

 

[Equalisation]

sg under ah loon ...

ah 'golden period' u say 1 hor! ...

Wah piang oi .......

Angela .... creeping up to him .......:(

 

[Ramseth]

The Manchu was a foreign ethnic race outside the northern borders of China. They conquered Ming Dynasty, chose to integrate themselves into the majority Chinese culture, not the other way round as time passed. Eventually Manchu fully assimilated themselves to the Han and adopting their civilization. It was a foreign invasion when Qing invaded Ming.

Jurchens has blood lines traced back to the the Warring State of Zhao?

Nuchen started as Jin-Zhao after the defeat of Zhao State by Qin Shihuang and they fled northward beyond the Great Wall boundaries that defined ancient Chinese civilisation. Jin-Zhao was a mix of of Zhao and pre-Mongolian nomads. It stabilised for centuries until the Song Dynasty when it became powerful and conquered the northern half of China, only to lose it all to the Mongolians and fled further north-eastward to where Manchuria is today and became known as Manchurians.

The Ming reconquest of Yuan Dynasty included both Mongolian and Manchuria as subordinate protectorates. They were allowed to be autonomous and had titular kings, but there was only one emperor, the Ming Emperor over the whole realm.

The Manchurian revolt started when Aixinjuelo Nuerhachi declared himself Emperor of Manchuria parallel to Ming China. With the support and collaboration of many Ming generals and officials disillusioned with the then decadent Ming, his son Aixinjuelo Huangtaiji successfully crossed the Great Wall, but died halfway on this march to complete victory. His son Aixinjuelo Fulin (Shun Zhi) finally became the first Manchu Emperor of China with Uncle Regent Aixinjuelo Doergun.

 

[vamjok]

got to be Qing under qian long and Tang under lee shi ming

 

[KuanTi01]

Qin your Si Lang Tao! That's the dynasty when China was most littered with corpses and heads. The golden era of China was Tang Dynasty under Li Shimin. Even Japan acknowleged Tang China as superior and supreme.

Tokugawa Ieyasu's Edo shogunate wasn't too bad, but Japan's golden era was as recent as the 1980s.

I thought for Japan it's the Meiji restoration.

 

[Ramseth]

I thought for Japan it's the Meiji restoration.

The Meiji restoration abolished the shogunate. Wait Tokugawa supporter Equalisation knock your head for saying that!

Anyway the restoration was just in name and cover for militarisation of imperial Japan under the name of the Emperor. In terms of modernisation and progress, yes it was successful. In terms of means and ends, it was horrendously misguided causing much distress in and out of Japan.

 

[Watchman]

 

[Char_Azn]

Pls do not post obscene pictures of Tonychat and Clinton666 making out for no good reason :oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo::oIo:

 

[Liquigas]

The long reign of Emperor Kangxi and his grandson Qianlong of 120 years can be considered one of the golden periods in Chinese history. The cruel Yongzheng ruled in between for 13 years only, lucky for China.