Photo of Downtown east gangster

[Narong Wongwan]

Under wikipedia, Ang Soon Tong is under the umbrella of 21 Tiong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_societies_in_Singapore

Now den I know. Last time there was a subsidiary, Sam Chuan something like dat under AST right?

Ah Long San is famous 三川 alumni.
But his management style is such that he disregard gang affiliation in favour of teamwork/results. He was the only one who can make different gang members work towards common goal.

Wiki got alot of inaccuracies, can only use as reference

 

[no_faith]

Agree.
That's why the parents of the killers need to pay a heavy price together with their children, whether they are princes or paupers.
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i agree to sum extend. the killing part put aside first.

we dunno their family background. maybe parents die young, single parent.
work long shift/long hours to make a living.
sumtimes the parents have to give up time for their kids so to earn money to support their education, lodging etc. you cant have the both world sumtimes.

dey lack of warmth yes, but give up daily jobs to accompany them?
den no money eat grass??

in this case, the victim also taunted them, so he is well brought up?

tis is juz my view. no1 is born in perfect family.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

i know a few 369 schoolmates ran to holland after getting into trouble with the authorities, heard they are doing very well in holland under Ah Gong Kong xi

Ah Kong going downhill many years back liao. Muscled out by all sorts of newcomers. Illegal gambling dens of yesteryears all convert to chinese restaurants liao

 

[Narong Wongwan]

Ya. Wisma kids, far east kids and centrepoint kids.

it started with macdonald kids (with the opening of the 1st Macs in liat towers)....then far east kids.......then centerpoint kids.......(not sure where to slot wisma kids)

During this era orchard road was 'joint ownership' by Bruce and Xiaolong. 2 young punks but glamour of orchard made them into the mythical legends idolized by many. Suffice to say such high profile 'posts' sooner than later up lorry liao

 

[GoldenDragon]

Ah Long San is famous 三川 alumni.
But his management style is such that he disregard gang affiliation in favour of teamwork/results. He was the only one who can make different gang members work towards common goal.

Wiki got alot of inaccuracies, can only use as reference

Bro, ALS is not from there. His HLS brothers will be angry with you.

 

[drifter]

Bro, ALS is not from there. His HLS brothers will be angry with you.

ALS got a strange habbit ...before he start business at his M3 KTV ...he will come in early and use martell to wash his hands ..nice guy but always wearing shorts .

 

[GoldenDragon]

ALS got a strange habbit ...before he start business at his M3 KTV ...he will come in early and use martell to wash his hands ..nice guy but always wearing shorts .

Yes, good man. If not, many more would have gone to jail. He did not betray anyone. The rest got scared and confessed.

 

[jw5]

i agree to sum extend. the killing part put aside first.

we dunno their family background. maybe parents die young, single parent.
work long shift/long hours to make a living.
sumtimes the parents have to give up time for their kids so to earn money to support their education, lodging etc. you cant have the both world sumtimes.

dey lack of warmth yes, but give up daily jobs to accompany them?
den no money eat grass??

in this case, the victim also taunted them, so he is well brought up?

tis is juz my view. no1 is born in perfect family.

Bro, I understand what you're saying.
But what I think is required these days is more accountability from parents for their childrens' misdeeds.

When people have children, they only want the upside. Look after them in old age, carry on the family name, have a complete family, earn money to support them. They don't want the downside. When the young children become gangsters, criminals, including killers, it's neither their fault nor responsibility. This is not acceptable.

For single parents struggling to make a living, I sympathise with them, but that's no reason for the child to grow up as a gangster and killer. The parent may not be able to accompany them all the time, but at least set a good example, impart good values, monitor them and make sure they become decent people. Some parents don't even do these basic things.

Btw, the parents should only be accountable and punished when their young children become killers. Let's not expect the 80 year old parents of a 50 year old killer to be punished. Of course, they are still accountable.

 

[Ramseth]

Btw, the parents should only be accountable and punished when their young children become killers. Let's not expect the 80 year old parents of a 50 year old killer to be punished. Of course, they are still accountable.

The moral rule-of-thumb is age 21, the socially accepted demarcation between minor and adult.

 

[chootchiew]

Ya. Wisma kids, far east kids and centrepoint kids.

Bro, centre point kids ain't no gangster la. I was 1 of them too. We just cut punk hairstyle from Kimaree, then wear colourful clothes button up to the top, and blow bubble gum thats all. No tattoo also. Most of them are educated and speak english within the group or other groups. No fighting nor cursing as well.

 

[jw5]

The moral rule-of-thumb is age 21, the socially accepted demarcation between minor and adult.

Bro, I think there should be a legal rule-of-thumb of 21, meaning that the parents should be legally accountable if their killer child is below 21.
As for moral rule-of-thumb, it should be forever, in my opinion.

 

[chootchiew]

One "lucrative business" I know the SS still operate, is to "see water" in coffeeshops. Those kpt in yishun and amk still very prominent.

Another playground for the SS operation is at GL lanes, collecting protection money from prostitutes. Different lanes are controlled by diff SS numbers.

Normally I saw those Ma Fu are rather old farts gangster. What about these young SS member ? I do not see any connections between the 2 age group.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

One "lucrative business" I know the SS still operate, is to "see water" in coffeeshops. Those kpt in yishun and amk still very prominent.

Another playground for the SS operation is at GL lanes, collecting protection money from prostitutes. Different lanes are controlled by diff SS numbers.

Yes you are right, in GL different lorongs controlled by different groups. For lucrative lorongs there can be as many as 5-6 groups controlling single lorong. All proceeds go into company coffers.

Normally I saw those Ma Fu are rather old farts gangster. What about these young SS member ? I do not see any connections between the 2 age group.

These pple are call cockroaches....the lowest in the food chain. Young and old all have.

 

[chootchiew]

Yes you are right, in GL different lorongs controlled by different groups. For lucrative lorongs there can be as many as 5-6 groups controlling single lorong. All proceeds go into company coffers.




These pple are call cockroaches....the lowest in the food chain. Young and old all have.

What i actually meant was..those SS that operates in GL, does not seem to have any linkage with gang like this Darren, studying on RP ..thats why personally I see Darren and his muderer gang as Streets gang rather than real SS

 

[myo539]

How they know the identities of these killers so fast and where they are hiding?

Our men-in-blue are smart - they are commanded by scholars. And the men-in-blue are efficient civil servants. Now you know why Singapore is one of the safeest place on earth.

 

[GoldenDragon]

rofthelper: "see water" relates to look-outs when illegal activities are in progress. It is only part of the bigger operation. And the assignment of "see water" is not that lucrative within that particular set-up. The "see water" chaps are at the low end of the ladder.

Illegal gambling dens, clubs that used to run the biz of illegal gaming machines, illegal bookmaking and punting at the mini-turf clubs or betting centres at home, office etc, illegal 4D collection centres, vice trade and those dealing with contraband cigs etc are industries that requires "see water".

The ONE and ONLY role of "see water" is to detect and announce police arrival in order to facilitate the escape of those involved in the on-going illegal activity in progress.

"See water" in KPTs at AMK and Yishun? I don't get you. My apologies.

Narong Wongwan: For lucrative lorongs in Geylang, there can't be 5-6 groups controlling just 1 lorong. I know there is one lor in Geylang controlled by 2 groups. None with 5-6 groups.

Even protection money is history. These days, 7th month festivals bring in the cash through donation of cash, donation of bidding items, bidding items etc.

 

[Narong Wongwan]

What i actually meant was..those SS that operates in GL, does not seem to have any linkage with gang like this Darren, studying on RP ..thats why personally I see Darren and his muderer gang as Streets gang rather than real SS

Darren and gang are street corner gangs, machiam kidergarten or nursery level. There should be a 'big brother' that they look up to and learning the ropes from (the jargon, some basic history and workings of SS etc).
This person, probably a low level gangster is the linkage that you are looking for.
Nothing is formal or official but a loose type of arrangement. Some of these youngster might go on to be involved in the illegal operations of real SS.

Darren killers, on the other hand will go in come out and seemed to have graduated with the credentials to go with it. Usually they will be fast tracked to the real SS operations in no time.

 

[GoldenDragon]

Our men-in-blue are smart - they are commanded by scholars. And the men-in-blue are efficient civil servants. Now you know why Singapore is one of the safeest place on earth.

Hahahahahahaha, if they failed to solve this case, then might as well bring in the NPCC. 48 hrs is way too long. They could have done better.

Surely you are aware some are still in hiding. How long more do we have to wait before these missing assailants are arrested? Efficient? Or, complacent?

It is not the scholars who solved this case. Neither is it the "efficient civil servants" who solved this case. It is the assailants who screwed themselves up that this case is now half-solved.

 

[Jah_rastafar_I]

Darren and gang are street corner gangs, machiam kidergarten or nursery level. There should be a 'big brother' that they look up to and learning the ropes from (the jargon, some basic history and workings of SS etc).
This person, probably a low level gangster is the linkage that you are looking for.
Nothing is formal or official but a loose type of arrangement. Some of these youngster might go on to be involved in the illegal operations of real SS.

Darren killers, on the other hand will go in come out and seemed to have graduated with the credentials to go with it. Usually they will be fast tracked to the real SS operations in no time.

what are real SS operations?

 

[myo539]

Hahahahahahaha, if they failed to solve this case, then might as well bring in the NPCC. 48 hrs is way too long. They could have done better.

Surely you are aware some are still in hiding. How long more do we have to wait before these missing assailants are arrested? Efficient? Or, complacent?

It is not the scholars who solved this case. Neither is it the "efficient civil servants" who solved this case. It is the assailants who screwed themselves up that this case is now half-solved.

Wah, you are like the woman interviewed by ST who said that she had waited too long for the bus to arrive. She wants her bus to arrive within 5 minutes. Literally she wants her bus - t is attached to her.

Wah you are super efficient. You want the police to arrest these fellows the moment the knife draws blood? These fellows did not go home - they were hiding in a chalet in Changi. Police managed to fish them out.

Given time, the rest will surrender or the police will nap them for sure. You can bet on that.

I wonder if you submit to your boss the task he gave you before he could finish his instructions to you.