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Brreaking: Property prices collapsing

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Now the property market is really going to crash. Remember Credit Suisse sais a few months ago prices will fall 40% while the local banks like DBS continue to make bullish calls.

Well now, DBS in its report today, said among other things, this paragraph:
Based on our bear case scenario, our bottom-up target for STI is 2162 assuming Singapore’s GDP growth slows to 3% next year, property prices fall by 40%.

DBS the largest bank in Singapore with the big chunk of the home loan markets has conceded.

Also SIBOR is surging and mortgage rates therefore will shoot up, meaning property prices getting whacked soon

You make up your own mind. I think the next two years, home owners gonna get really squeezed.[/SIZE]
 
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Now the property market is really going to crash. Remember Credit Suisse sais a few months ago prices will fall 40% while the local banks like DBS continue to make bullish calls.

Well now, DBS in its report today, said among other things, this paragraph:
Based on our bear case scenario, our bottom-up target for STI is 2162 assuming Singapore’s GDP growth slows to 3% next year, property prices fall by 40%.

DBS the largest bank in Singapore with the big chunk of the home loan markets has conceded.

Also SIBOR is surging and mortgage rates therefore will shoot up, meaning property prices getting whacked soon

You make up your own mind. I think the next two years, home owners gonna get really squeezed.


Can help to post the report by DBS?.
 

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The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 701.93 at one point — the second-largest intraday move on record — before paring that back to about 500 as investors were left scratching their heads after the House rejected bailout plan.

Tomorrow STI will fall to 2,200 tomorrow if they can't secure the necessary votes in the next few hours on the move to reconsider
 

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DOW 10,365.45 -777.68 -6.98%

STI heading to 2,200 in one shot

At this rate, Capitaland will drop under $3 and SC Global under 60 cents
 

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DOW 10,365.45 -777.68 -6.98%

STI heading to 2,200 in one shot

At this rate, Capitaland will drop under $3 and SC Global under 60 cents
Rises present selling opportunities.

Falls offer excellent buying opportunities.

In the meantime, life goes on.
 

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by t he way why did u have to make my font so small... is larger font offensive? some people may be older and eyesight not so good.
 

pia

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i think the STI should continue to drop la.....cannot be the whole world is dropping and they still so steady.....unless someone is backing it....

I've always believed SGP property market is artificially suppoted by the HDB market. That market doesn't drop, just adjust a bit at most. The good news is for people who want to uprade to private. The gap between the HDB and private market will close. Esp the low end condos. Maybe some bargains will be coming up.

$500k FH 3-bedroom condos anyone? :wink:
 

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I've always believed SGP property market is artificially suppoted by the HDB market. That market doesn't drop, just adjust a bit at most. The good news is for people who want to uprade to private. The gap between the HDB and private market will close. Esp the low end condos. Maybe some bargains will be coming up.

$500k FH 3-bedroom condos anyone? :wink:

problem is that if you want to buy condo..the loan has to come from bank..and with the rising interest rate......will be painful lei...
 

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Now the property market is really going to crash. Remember Credit Suisse sais a few months ago prices will fall 40% while the local banks like DBS continue to make bullish calls.

Well now, DBS in its report today, said among other things, this paragraph:
Based on our bear case scenario, our bottom-up target for STI is 2162 assuming Singapore’s GDP growth slows to 3% next year, property prices fall by 40%.

DBS the largest bank in Singapore with the big chunk of the home loan markets has conceded.

Also SIBOR is surging and mortgage rates therefore will shoot up, meaning property prices getting whacked soon

You make up your own mind. I think the next two years, home owners gonna get really squeezed.[/SIZE]


THanks for the report. While overseas, I can hardly get any CORRECT news other than this forum.
 

pia

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problem is that if you want to buy condo..the loan has to come from bank..and with the rising interest rate......will be painful lei...

Bro, advice is..buy within your means... whether it's a $200k HDB flate or a $500k condo. And that advice is applicable in both good times and bad.

Best is buy when you can cash down as much as you can to avoid paying interests. Next best alternative I consider is the Mortgage One scheme (e.g. Stanchart), where you can offset your loan interest by having savings deposits with the bank. For up to a certain amount, they consider savings interst = loan interest (bros correct me if I'm recalling wrongly)

By doing the sums, you can really save or do away with paying interests. And becos most of the installments go into paying the principal, you pay up your loan quicker as well. Many people go for low installments with fixed rates without realisig they are paying almost double for that piece of property.

Just my 2 cents worth.. :smile:
 

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Bro, advice is..buy within your means... whether it's a $200k HDB flate or a $500k condo. And that advice is applicable in both good times and bad.

Best is buy when you can cash down as much as you can to avoid paying interests. Next best alternative I consider is the Mortgage One scheme (e.g. Stanchart), where you can offset your loan interest by having savings deposits with the bank. For up to a certain amount, they consider savings interst = loan interest (bros correct me if I'm recalling wrongly)

By doing the sums, you can really save or do away with paying interests. And becos most of the installments go into paying the principal, you pay up your loan quicker as well. Many people go for low installments with fixed rates without realisig they are paying almost double for that piece of property.

Just my 2 cents worth.. :smile:

thanks for the information bro.....will consider once i have the money to buy
 

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Just about a year ago MND release a very rosy statement,

Strong Growth in Singapore’s Property Market

1. The real estate market in Singapore is abound with opportunities. The Urban Land Institute and Pricewaterhouse Coopers has ranked Singapore as the city with one of the best real estate investment prospects in Asia-Pacific for 2008, second only to Shanghai.

2. The government is taking action to address this short term office space shortage, even as I speak. We have released transitional office sites as well as vacant State-owned buildings for office use. Apart from the two transitional office sites released to date, a number of other potential transitional office sites in various locations have already been identified for release in the next few months, if the response is good. In total, these transitional office sites and State-owned properties can generate up to 210,000 sq m of office space within the next 2 to 3 years. Apart from office space, about 500,000 sq m of space at Business Parks, such as Changi Business Park and Alexandra Distripark, are being developed to cater to the demand of high technology businesses and backroom operations of financial institutions and SMEs.

3. The tightness in office supply is expected to ease in 2010, when major projects such as Phase 1 of the MBFC are completed. The total amount of office space, from Government and private land sources, that can potentially be realised between now and 2012 is about 1.4 million sq m, of which about 80% are from projects in the Central Area. This supply will be able to comfortably accommodate the expected demand for office space.
 

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Bro pia, thanks for insight. It has give me more thinking lah. I was happy like fuck spider many people buy high now hong kan need to sell low. Now I need re-think U-Turn or not to find cheap condos becoz idiots lose money in stocks.
 

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There are winners and losers in a game of chance and opportunity. Fortunately, there is also fundamental basis and a floor for prices.
 

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http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/companies/story/0,4574,299397,00.html?

Singapore Companies
Published October 2, 2008

Write-downs could see property stocks slip further
Larger developers saw 31-50% stock price falls in 2001, says Credit Suisse


By ARTHUR SIM

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THE outlook for developers here could get worse, with write-downs on asset values possible, says Credit Suisse.



Projects: CapitaLand could write down on Farrer Court (above), while Tianjin eco-city (next) is reminiscent of Singapore Suzhou Industrial Park
In a report, its research analyst Tricia Song says CapitaLand, for one, could write down as much as $200 million on its Farrer Court and Char Yong Gardens projects alone.

This is based on an estimated breakeven figure of $1,429 psf and an estimated average selling price of $1,280 psf for Farrer Court project. For Char Yong Gardens, the estimated breakeven figure is $2,564 psf and the estimated average selling price $1,960 psf.

In its analysis, Credit Suisse says Keppel Land and Allgreen could at worst face respective gearing of 1.7 and 1.5, assuming a prolonged downturn with major outgoings and no cash inflows. In June, Keppel Land's gearing was 0.54 and Allgreen's was 0.45.

A possible write-down factor for Keppel Land is its exposure to the troubled Vietnam market, where it has nine residential projects and one major township.


Credit Suisse notes that as gearing rose to 52% for big-cap developers by Q2 2008, gearing for smaller developers rose to 242%






Credit Suisse says Tianjin eco-city, in which Keppel Land may take a stake, is reminiscent of Singapore Suzhou Industrial Park, which resulted in huge write-offs in the 1990s.

Noting that CapitaLand and Keppel Land are now trading around 1.2 times price-to-book value (P/B) and City Developments (CDL) is trading at 1.7-times P/B, Credit Suisse reckons CDL should not trade below book. It bases this assessment on CDL's conservative accounting policy of using historic costs for investment assets and limited write-downs on its residential landbank. But it still expects CDL's premium to narrow.

Unlike other developers, CDL does not account for asset revaluations directly in its profit & loss statement.

Write-downs signal developers' acceptance of price falls. Credit Suisse says that in 1998 and 2001, the larger developers suffered respective stock price falls of 66-79 per cent and 31-50 per cent.

CapitaLand and Keppel Land wrote down between $900 million and $2.1 billion in 1998, and between $700 million and $900 million in 2001. Credit Suisse says they could 'do so again due to aggressive expansions and acquisitions, and substantial revaluation gains in recent years'.

Perhaps more significantly, it reckons small-cap developers could put an added drag on the property market. It notes that as gearing rose to 52 per cent for big-cap developers by Q2 2008, gearing for smaller developers rose to 242 per cent.

'This reinforces our belief that small developers will drive the price cuts in the near future in the primary markets, especially in the prime and mid-high end, as some of them have acquired prime sites at peak prices,' it says.

In its analysis, small-cap developers include Aspial, Koh Brothers, Heeton, Hiap Hoe, Ho Bee, Roxy, SC Global, Sim Lian, Sing Holdings, Soilbuild and Tee International.
 

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Sept. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Asian borrowing costs rose, with Japanese and Singapore money market rates reaching the highest in at least eight months[size], even as central banks pumped in cash to ease lending after U.S. lawmakers rejected a banking rescue.

Japan's overnight call loan rate rose to 0.6 percent, the highest in more than six weeks, and the three-month interbank offered dollar rate in Singapore jumped 11 basis points, or 0.11 percentage point, to an eight-month high of 3.90 percent as banks hoarded cash.
 

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Now the property market is really going to crash. Remember Credit Suisse sais a few months ago prices will fall 40% while the local banks like DBS continue to make bullish calls.

Well now, DBS in its report today, said among other things, this paragraph:
Based on our bear case scenario, our bottom-up target for STI is 2162 assuming Singapore’s GDP growth slows to 3% next year, property prices fall by 40%.

DBS the largest bank in Singapore with the big chunk of the home loan markets has conceded.

Also SIBOR is surging and mortgage rates therefore will shoot up, meaning property prices getting whacked soon

You make up your own mind. I think the next two years, home owners gonna get really squeezed.[/SIZE]


Can you repost the report ???.... I doubt DBS will state property prices fall by 40% when you know they belong to you-know-who....
 
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