SGP Passport Service Suspended!!

[makapaaa]

And the FAPee TRAITORS have probably issued instruction to give priority to their FTrash pets!

 

[makapaaa]

<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>PAPalBull <NOBR></NOBR> </TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>10:41 am </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>6/8,10/9, forums.delphiforums.com/anymos (ANYMOS) <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right> (5 of 17) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"> </TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>30055.5 in reply to 30055.2 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>That's it, #3 is it! - you hit the nail square on the head. Halve the life of the p/p and (of course) you double the renewal rate.
The world's 20 highest paid govt ministers did not forsee this, just as they didn't realise doubling the number of residents would place intolerable strain on the nation's housing, transport, infrastrucure, energy needs...
And we're paying at least $3.5m every year (plus the kind of perks of office that money can't buy) to an 87-year old globe-trotting fossil who claims his job is to predict S'pore's future!
Wonder if he needs an appointment to get his p/p renewed?
</TD></TR><TR><TD> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msgleft width="1%"> </TD><TD class=msgopt width="24%" noWrap> Options</TD><TD class=msgrde width="50%" noWrap align=middle> Reply</TD><TD class=wintiny width="25%" noWrap align=right> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgbfrbot> </TD><TD colSpan=3> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[makapaaa]

<TABLE class=msgtablealt cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="96%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msg vAlign=top><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgbfr1 width="1%"></TD><TD><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR class=msghead vAlign=top><TD class=msgF width="1%" noWrap align=right>From: </TD><TD class=msgFname width="68%" noWrap>gohgilbert <NOBR></NOBR></TD><TD class=msgDate width="30%" noWrap align=right>4:50 pm </TD></TR><TR class=msghead><TD class=msgT height=20 width="1%" noWrap align=right>To: </TD><TD class=msgTname width="68%" noWrap>pylae <NOBR></NOBR>unread</TD><TD class=msgNum noWrap align=right>(8 of 17) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgleft rowSpan=4 width="1%"></TD><TD class=wintiny noWrap align=right>30055.8 in reply to 30055.1 </TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgtxt>Dear Friends,

Do support my petition to "Employ Singaporeans First" -

[URL="http://www.petitiononline.com/Employed/petition.html"]http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Employed/petition.html[/URL]


Due to the recent high influx of foreigners, many of our own people are been sidelined by employers. Many new graduates are also jobless now as they have to compete with thousands of foreigners for jobs.

Our people are also not protected by any minimum wage policy here and their salaries have being pressed down by cheaper foreigner imports. Employers are kings now as they have a host of choices now whenever they advertise for positions. Many who apply for jobs are foreigners.

This petition urges all employers in Singapore to consider employing Singaporeans FIRST despite the slightly higher cost and their older age. If not, we will see ourselves being over-run by foreigners in time to come.

If you support this cause, do sign on the peition so that we can rally together and bring hope to those who are jobless and struggling.

Do also spread this cause to your friends for active participation! We need to send the right message out to our government!

Singapore for Singaporeans!

Thank you!

Sincerely,
Gilbert Goh
[email protected]


</TD></TR><TR><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD class=msgleft width="1%"></TD><TD class=msgopt width="24%" noWrap> Options</TD><TD class=msgrde width="50%" noWrap align=middle>Reply</TD><TD class=wintiny width="25%" noWrap align=right></TD></TR><TR><TD class=msgbfrbot></TD><TD colSpan=3></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

 

[sadfcuk]

y cant they have the 10 year sys back?? like the driving license sys no need renewal....10million a year just to create more probs....

66.66% just not interested or still cant be bothered

Are you looking at the big picture? With advancements in technology, even passport forgery technology has advanced.

It's not like last time print on some lame paper and bind like a small book already. Forgers are smarter than last time. You need shorter validity periods to ensure that any new technology incorporated in the newer passports, get rolled out to the people as quickly as possible to stamp out passport forgery.

Driving license no need renewal is another thing. There lies more profit for forgers to forge a Singapore passport than forging a driver's license.

Just like a NSF/NSman's 11B: Do you think people will ever try to forge one of those?

I'm not going to argue any further if you really don't see the logical reasoning. You can check out the validity periods of other country's passports.

Think about it. Cheers.

 

[Ramseth]

Immigration department counter passport services should not only be suspended, but should be abolished for good as well. In US, UK etc. citizens apply for passports at post offices. Singapore is moving in the right direction in this aspect, citizens can apply for passports in post offices now. Don't understand why there're still people from Jurong or Woodlands who still want to go all the way to Lavender and queue up. Then complain government wastes too much taxpayers' money hiring too many civil servants. Or if the queue is too long, complain government not hiring enough civil servants.

 

[johnny333]

They had to reduce the renewal period to counter passport forgery. Does that not make sense to you?

How does going back from 10 to 5 year passports reduce forgeries

If Spore passport are so easily forged why bother to introduce the new(now standard) more expensive passports with a chip?

If it was a problem why no stories in papers about forged Spore passports?

 

[Ramseth]

How does going back from 10 to 5 year passports reduce foregeries

If passport forgery is so rampant then why did they bother to introduce the new(now standard) more expensive passports with a chip?

The new passports are already embedded with a chip. Yes, now international standard called biometric. Reducing the issued validity to 5 years ensures that the legitimate holder must come back for verification and update within 5 years. Update of photo is also a consideration.

Another measure is different passport number from IC number. The government database couldn't track down missing passports because it can't place a block or alert on the IC number of the legitimate owner of that IC number who lost that passport. Otherwise, the legitimate owner would have been arrested anywhere with immigration or police screening.

Frankly, it was a big boo-boo for Singapore to make the IC number and passport number the same several decades ago for administrative convenience and efficacy. I've never seen any other country stupid enough to do that. All know the security risks involved, except Singapore, which realised it only recently.

 

[johnny333]

Are you looking at the big picture? With advancements in technology, even passport forgery technology has advanced.

How about you, are you looking at the bigger picture, $$$$

Hmm, are you a Spore citizen?

After decades of PAP rule, many have come to expect profit driven policies. Some MP even boasted that Spore is being run like Spore Inc.

 

[johnny333]

The new passports are already embedded with a chip. Yes, now international standard called biometric. Reducing the issued validity to 5 years ensures that the legitimate holder must come back for verification and update within 5 years. Update of photo is also a consideration.
.

I have my doubts as to whether the purpose was to improve security.

The US, Europe, ... have their own security measures in place. I doubt that they would trust the Spore system.

Even with a biometric passport I still have to be fingerprinted, searched,.... , if I'm going to the US :( Even going to LOS they take my picture

When has any Sporean passport ever been used for terrorism ? They can easily steal an identity from more respectable countries like Canada, Britain, .... e.g. the group that killed that Hamas guy were using Canadian, Brit passports.

 

[sadfcuk]

Hmm, are you a Spore citizen?

I noticed that people who can't win arguments in internet forums use this as their rebutting argument.

"I'm arguing against your arguments, so I must be working for the ones your arguments are trying to bring down."

Premise:
- You are complaining that the passport validity of 5 years is too short and unjustified.
- I offer you the logical reason why 5 years is as such.

Conclusion:
- I must be a non-Singaporean citizen (or working for the gahmen).

This has got to be one of the most lame premise/arguments I always come across on the Internet.

As for your questions:
1. If Spore passport are so easily forged why bother to introduce the new(now standard) more expensive passports with a chip?

In this digital world, forgers and authorities are always playing a cat and mouse game.

Take for example things like Microsoft windows or the locked iPhone. As soon as it is released, there are piracy groups who released hacks on the same day to unlock them. Does that mean Microsoft or Apple should say "oh well, they'll get us in the end always, let's just give up and let them release these hacks."

Same as these passports: So you're saying since the passports are "so easily forged", the authorities should just give up and let the forgers fill the black market with forged passports. Yes?

Or, by following your logic, here is a question for you to answer:

Since crimes are so easily committed (you can just walk up to anyone and commit robbery by taking their wallets) on the streets, why should we have any law enforcement at all? We should not have any police existing in our society at all, since crimes are so easily committed.

2. If it was a problem why no stories in papers about forged Spore passports?

All kinds of news happen everyday. You're sitting in the comfort of your own room being a keyboard warrior. People out there are trading cash for drugs, for bribes, for sex, for all sorts of illegitimate reasons.

Things happen all the time, but this does not mean the newspapers must report each and every single incident going on. Excluding it by not reporting it also does not mean it has not happened.

Mind you, I am only telling you why the validity is reduced from 10 years to 5 years. As for the cost of renewing the passport, that is another argument which I have no interest in pursuing with you. Nor am I for (or against) anything related to the costs of renewing a passport.

 

[Ramseth]

I have my doubts as to whether the purpose was to improve security.

The US, Europe, ... have their own security measures in place. I doubt that they would trust the Spore system.

Even with a biometric passport I still have to be fingerprinted, searched,.... , if I'm going to the US :( Even going to LOS they take my picture

If they allow you into their country on your Sg passport, saving you a trip to their embassy before you travel there, it's clear that they trust the Sg passport as far as identification is concerned, ain't it? However, carrying whatever visa-waiver passport is no guarantee that the carrier is not carry bombs or other contraband goods, yes?

 

[johnny333]

If they allow you into their country on your Sg passport, saving you a trip to their embassy before you travel there, it's clear that they trust the Sg passport as far as identification is concerned, ain't it? However, carrying whatever visa-waiver passport is no guarantee that the carrier is not carry bombs or other contraband goods, yes?

If I have to go to the US, I still have to apply for a VISA. The US does not waiver this requirement(not like the old days). So why bother with biometric passports

 

[Ramseth]

If I have to go to the US, I still have to apply for a VISA. The US does not waiver this requirement(not like the old days). So why bother with biometric passports

??? You carry Singapore passport? It's still under US visa-waver but must be biometric. Old passports non-biometric no visa-waiver.

 

[johnny333]

I

Mind you, I am only telling you why the validity is reduced from 10 years to 5 years. As for the cost of renewing the passport, that is another argument which I have no interest in pursuing with you. Nor am I for (or against) anything related to the costs of renewing a passport.

No need to get your panties in twist lah

You can accept whatever offical excuse the gov't gives out, but I'm just offering "MY" alternative viewpoint. I bet many share my skepticism of the gov't motives which is monetary.

 

[BlueCat]

that is why,it is also one that those illegal immigrant or drug peddlars love to have it.

 

[johnny333]

By the way if anyone is interested, a US passport only needs to be replaced every 10 years. One has to wonders why the change in the requirement in Spore from 10 to 5 years ?

For those who haven't noticed the price of gov't is going up lah. :(