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*An open letter to all parents deciding to vaccinate or not to vaccinate their child.*

Johnrambo

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We are a group of Singaporean Doctors, who are of the view that MOH should quickly approve a killed-virus vaccine for our children and adults. Here are our humble ponderings:


1. Children: 99.99% do not need ICU when they catch Covid-19. According to a Senior Pediatrician (Dr Chandra Sekhar Devulapalli), this is likely due to NL63, an almost universal childhood common cold. This immunity is likely to be present in younger Singaporeans in the form of Memory T-Cells. Unfortunately, it wears out by about age 65. This explains why the population above this age frequently populates our ICU when they become very sick with Covid-19. The good news is that children are doing amazingly well, without any Covid-19 vaccines.


2. The two mRNA vaccines have been vigorously tested to be safe, but we know this is true only for the short term. We have no evidence that the mRNA vaccines are SAFE in the longer term (10-20 years). This is not a problem with those over 65, as the immediate benefits of vaccination for this high-risk group outweigh the risks of the unknown long-term side effects. For children, however, it is another matter altogether.


3. mRNA themselves are very fragile in the human body and are easily attacked by Ribonucleases that are distributed very widely in our body. Reverse Transcriptase, which converts RNA to DNA, is very troubling. It is not naturally found in our body but becomes readily available if you are very sick with a chronic virus, like Hepatitis B. Our local population has significantly higher rates of Hepatitis B (about 3.6% - many of the infected are unaware) and many are still undetected. Relying on data from a population that is significantly different from our local population is NOT very wise.

A lot more at https://tinyurI.com/52cxam67
 

jw5

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Something for Judy Sim to ponder over. :wink:

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laksaboy

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They are now using Tik Tok to spread pro-vaccine propaganda. :rolleyes:

 

eatshitndie

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pfizer-biontech mrna vaccine not approved for age group 2 to 11 yet in u.s. moderna mrna vaccine not approved for age group 12 to 17 yet.
 
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nirvarq

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*An open letter to all parents deciding to vaccinate or not to vaccinate their child.*

We are a group of Singaporean Doctors, who are of the view that MOH should quickly approve a killed-virus vaccine for our children and adults. Here are our humble ponderings:

1. Children: 99.99% do not need ICU when they catch Covid-19. According to a Senior Pediatrician (Dr Chandra Sekhar Devulapalli), this is likely due to NL63, an almost universal childhood common cold. This immunity is likely to be present in younger Singaporeans in the form of Memory T-Cells. Unfortunately, it wears out by about age 65. This explains why the population above this age frequently populates our ICU when they become very sick with Covid-19. The good news is that children are doing amazingly well, without any Covid-19 vaccines.

2. The two mRNA vaccines have been vigorously tested to be safe, but we know this is true only for the short term. We have no evidence that the mRNA vaccines are SAFE in the longer term (10-20 years). This is not a problem with those over 65, as the immediate benefits of vaccination for this high-risk group outweigh the risks of the unknown long-term side effects. For children, however, it is another matter altogether.

3. mRNA themselves are very fragile in the human body and are easily attacked by Ribonucleases that are distributed very widely in our body. Reverse Transcriptase, which converts RNA to DNA, is very troubling. It is not naturally found in our body but becomes readily available if you are very sick with a chronic virus, like Hepatitis B. Our local population has significantly higher rates of Hepatitis B (about 3.6% - many of the infected are unaware) and many are still undetected. Relying on data from a population that is significantly different from our local population is NOT very wise.


Please refer to the article:
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome - PubMed
Prolonged SARS-CoV-2 RNA shedding and recurrence of PCR-positive tests have been widely reported in patients after recovery, yet these patients most commonly are non-infectious. Here we investigated the possibility that SARS-CoV-2 RNAs can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome …

4. mRNA vaccines do not stop adults from transmitting Covid-19-VOC. We can assume that this will also be the case with children.

5. It is NOT very WISE to try Novel mRNA technology on Singaporean children when they do not really need it and which DOES NOT effectively STOP them from becoming VECTORS.

6. Killed-Virus technology has been around for decades and has a very long and safe track record. We even have thousands of it in our local warehouse at this moment and it had just been tested to be safe at Phase II/III for children (550 subjects).

Please refer to the article:
abcnews.go.com
Sinovac says its vaccine is safe for children as young as 3
Sinovac says its COVID-19 vaccine is safe in children ages 3-17, based on preliminary data, and it has submitted the data to Chinese drug regulators

7. We feel a lot safer, with KNOWN technology (proven to be SAFE), since our children are likely to outlive us. Primum non nocere. (*Latin phrase that means "first, do no harm")

8. For mRNA, long-term side effects are unknown and unstudied. This point is supported by all Experts.

9. These are our humble opinions. We hope MOH will allow parents to pick a vaccine that has been proven to be safe (ie, with no long-term harmful side effects) for our children and grandchildren.

Let us as a community, stand together and overcome this pandemic, with wisdom and prudence. Vaccination will drastically reduce the severity of Covid-19 infection for the vulnerable and will save many lives. We are very grateful for the availability of Vaccines made available by the determined effort of the MTF. Providing us an option for a killed-virus vaccine would be most appreciated.

Yours Sincerely,

Dr Benny K H Tan (MCR 01588A)
Dr Chia AM (MCR M02673E)
Dr Clement Lai (MCR M04559D)
Dr Colleen Thomas (MCR M05352Z)
Dr CT Tan (MCR M01740Z)
Dr Diane Jek (MCR 09198G)
Dr Judy Chen (MCR 05364C)
Dr Kee Leng Chee (MCR (M01006E)
Dr Kho Kwang Po (MCR 00499E)
Dr Khoo Boo Kian (MCR 03808C)
Dr Paul IW Yang (MCR 08851z)
Dr Suzie Lee (MCR M05023G)
 

nirvarq

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From Dr. Oon Chong Jin,

WHO consultant who tested the hepatitis vac here for safety and responsible for it being given to babies here for more than 30 years.

“I have sent by emails to Ong, Gan, and Wong
1) the WHO (SAGE) report on Sinovac giving a good safety and efficacy report which was sent by a colleague in WHO .

This was copied to Chorh Chuan. Mak, John Wong, Vivien Bala. & Eng Hen.

2) the scientific reason the mutations on the spike protein has altered the antigenicity . Result vaccinated can’t recognize B1617 Indian mutant million millions in India .
I suggested stop mRNA as the mutant has gone through our Pfizer vaccinated front liners in six hospitals, airport staff and school children .

Only a killed complete. Virus with all its seven antigens can still b recognized even when one antigen affected by mutation. Pfizer is useless now and obsolete in presence of mutations on spike gene.

Shown last night on Channelnewsasia& CGTN that China vaccines can overcome Indian mutants

3) emphasized release and use fully inactivated virus like Sinovac or Sinopham .. same manufacture .

100% and not 60% because 40% infected once mingling starts will. 40% infected and many will die .

4) Yestersdy. I got a nice reply from Ong but no mention of Sinovac

Then saw Mak’s reply in ST waiting for WHO report and vaccinating children with Pfizer

I then sent my simplified summary of the WHO Sinovac report to the three Ministers together with the.circulating advisory from many doctors and specialists to parents not to have their children vaccinated with Pfizer because disease is mild

5) I drew up a dose schedule for over 60yr, 12 & above and for babies a lowered dosage

Sinovac is safe given to 300million but less in children “
 

capamerica

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We are a group of Singaporean Doctors, who are of the view that MOH should quickly approve a killed-virus vaccine for our children and adults. Here are our humble ponderings:


1. Children: 99.99% do not need ICU when they catch Covid-19. According to a Senior Pediatrician (Dr Chandra Sekhar Devulapalli), this is likely due to NL63, an almost universal childhood common cold. This immunity is likely to be present in younger Singaporeans in the form of Memory T-Cells. Unfortunately, it wears out by about age 65. This explains why the population above this age frequently populates our ICU when they become very sick with Covid-19. The good news is that children are doing amazingly well, without any Covid-19 vaccines.


2. The two mRNA vaccines have been vigorously tested to be safe, but we know this is true only for the short term. We have no evidence that the mRNA vaccines are SAFE in the longer term (10-20 years). This is not a problem with those over 65, as the immediate benefits of vaccination for this high-risk group outweigh the risks of the unknown long-term side effects. For children, however, it is another matter altogether.


3. mRNA themselves are very fragile in the human body and are easily attacked by Ribonucleases that are distributed very widely in our body. Reverse Transcriptase, which converts RNA to DNA, is very troubling. It is not naturally found in our body but becomes readily available if you are very sick with a chronic virus, like Hepatitis B. Our local population has significantly higher rates of Hepatitis B (about 3.6% - many of the infected are unaware) and many are still undetected. Relying on data from a population that is significantly different from our local population is NOT very wise.

A lot more at https://tinyurI.com/52cxam67

what the doctor leaves out is now they can treat hospitalizations much better with plasma, steroids, antibodies to prevent ICU

And Pfizer is now EUA for under 15 year olds
 

nirvarq

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The expert committee noted that 11 of the 12 doctors named in the open letter have since retracted their statement.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...cine-safe-for-children-aged-12-to-15-14858460



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Professor Ooi Eng Eong of Duke-NUS Medical School, an expert on emerging infectious diseases who has been involved in developing an mRNA vaccine, said their argument is "pseudoscience" and based on "a lot of misunderstanding of molecular biology and immunology".

He said: "The development of mRNA vaccine, although rapid, was based on more than 20 years of painstaking research. This vaccine technology was not assembled in a hurry. Instead, the world was fortunate that this technology matured at a time when it was needed most."


Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine safe for those aged 12 to 15, says expert panel​

It was responding to open letter by some doctors asking that traditional vaccines be used instead
https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...afe-for-those-aged-12-to-15-says-expert-panel

 

cocobobo

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The expert committee noted that 11 of the 12 doctors named in the open letter have since retracted their statement.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/new...cine-safe-for-children-aged-12-to-15-14858460



___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Professor Ooi Eng Eong of Duke-NUS Medical School, an expert on emerging infectious diseases who has been involved in developing an mRNA vaccine, said their argument is "pseudoscience" and based on "a lot of misunderstanding of molecular biology and immunology".

He said: "The development of mRNA vaccine, although rapid, was based on more than 20 years of painstaking research. This vaccine technology was not assembled in a hurry. Instead, the world was fortunate that this technology matured at a time when it was needed most."


Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine safe for those aged 12 to 15, says expert panel​

It was responding to open letter by some doctors asking that traditional vaccines be used instead

https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...afe-for-those-aged-12-to-15-says-expert-panel

Coincidence that makes you go hmmm.....
 

theblackhole

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singapore very fast must follow the west
most follow the big pharma
most do this and must sarpork this
vaccinating our young no play play ok
jab the old nevermind
after 65 you also make no difference
after 75 you can also make no difference
after 85 better go peacefully
but the 15 and the 25 ...knnnnnnnnnnnnn
dont anyhow jab ok .......sekali they all become ...knnnnnnnnnnn
 

laksaboy

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singapore very fast must follow the west
most follow the big pharma
most do this and must sarpork this
vaccinating our young no play play ok
jab the old nevermind
after 65 you also make no difference
after 75 you can also make no difference
after 85 better go peacefully
but the 15 and the 25 ...knnnnnnnnnnnnn
dont anyhow jab ok .......sekali they all become ...knnnnnnnnnnn

It all depends on the kind of parents, no? For example, some parents are hardcore supporters of Pink Dot and LGBT, and bring their brats down to Hong Lim Park to mingle with the faggots... teaching them to be open-minded and raising them the 'proper way'. :wink:
 

mahjongking

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who's right? who's wrong?

seems like those 12 doctors kena warning from the authorities

we live in turbulent times, just keep fit, lots of sunshine and dont worry be happy, its your own personal decision to take or not to take the 'vaccine'
live with it.....
 

laksaboy

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who's right? who's wrong?

seems like those 12 doctors kena warning from the authorities

we live in turbulent times, just keep fit, lots of sunshine and dont worry be happy, its your own personal decision to take or not to take the 'vaccine'

The unvaccinated people might be treated like Jews in Nazi Germany... they'll be called 'dangerous' or 'unclean'. Maybe not openly, but in a sneaky, passive-aggressive way. Be mentally prepared. :sneaky:
 
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