Govt says they never plan for 10m, but past reports show otherwise

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Nope. She is not.

https://mothership.sg/2020/06/lee-li-lian-wp-candidate-ge2020/

She is so low profile people donr even remember her name!

Oops ok, thanks.

LoL, you so far away and now a maple leaf but seem to be more informed on what is going on in this red dot than a person living here.

 

[kaninabuchaojibye]

pap caught lying again

 

[KuanTi01]

Why did he oust Chiam in the past? Why?

As a matter of fact, he didn't oust Chiam. He was being championed to be the new SDP leader only after rival factions took off their gloves. Chiam was already on the way out as being outvoted. Blaming everything on Dr Chee was just a matter of saving face.

 

[zhihau]

Blaming everything on Dr Chee was just a matter of saving face.

I’m re-examining myself and my bias towards CSJ all these years.

I can only draw one conclusion- we need to look at issues from many directions before drawing conclusion, we cannot just rely on one single source for information, and for that matter first impressions really last.

 

[jw5]

I have an immense respect for Mr Chiam for a variety of reasons. But one thing that he really did not do well was planned succession. There were 2 people who became his successors of choice. One was his wife. The other was Desmond Lim.

As a matter of fact, he didn't oust Chiam. He was being championed to be the new SDP leader only after rival factions took off their gloves. Chiam was already on the way out as being outvoted. Blaming everything on Dr Chee was just a matter of saving face.

 

[nayr69sg]

Oops ok, thanks.

LoL, you so far away and now a maple leaf but seem to be more informed on what is going on in this red dot than a person living here.

Wah lau just google lah.

I frankly could not remember her name!

So I googled Koh poh koon by election. And all the info is there.

Anyone can find that information if they bothered.

 

[jw5]

He will show love and concern for the maids, provide them with chairs and tidbits.

SCMIT - Singapore Coronavirus Maid Interrogation Taskforce

Co Chairman and Good Cop - Fake Doctor and Supporter of maids - his fucked up parents never taught him that pretending to be a doctor during a pandemic is lacking in morals, he will provide food and water and TLC to the maids: Mark Andrew Yeo

Wah lau just google lah.

I frankly could not remember her name!

So I googled Koh poh koon by election. And all the info is there.

Anyone can find that information if they bothered.

 

[jw5]

PAP planned for 10 million but they changed to 6.9 million after considering the welfare of sinkies. LOL.................................

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/top-stories/singapore-should-plan-for-population-of-10m



MALMINDERJIT SINGH[email protected]@MalminderjitBT

[SINGAPORE] The Republic should plan for a population of 10 million in the long term if it is to remain sustainable as a country, says the man known widely as the architect of modern Singapore. According to Liu Thai Ker, Singapore should not stop its population growth projection at the figure of 6.9 million listed in the 2013 White Paper on Population.

"That is an interim figure and projection and obviously Singapore is going to grow beyond that," he said yesterday at a seminar, "Building a Nation: Tomorrow, Challenges and Possibilities for a Liveable Singapore".
As architect-planner and CEO of the Housing Development Board from 1969 to 1989, Mr Liu oversaw the completion of over half a million public housing units, and as CEO and chief planner of the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) from 1989 to 1992, he spearheaded the major revision of the Singapore Concept Plan and key direction for heritage conservation.

"The question is: How long do you want Singapore to exist as a sovereign state? Certainly beyond 2030, so we should plan for the longer term and for this 10 million figure as we cannot curb population growth after 2030."

Mr Liu explained that it was necessary for Singapore to plan for the longer term than for the 17 years it had planned for in the White Paper. He suggested that even though Singapore has a lot of land to be reclaimed and there is a lot of land set aside for industrial purposes that can be converted for other use, it is still better to plan for the long term so that there is a better estimate of the amount of land that is required.



"So if we need to reclaim more land from the sea, we can plan for it and do so."

Conversely, Mr Liu argued that shorter-term population planning would result in higher density as each time the population projection is made, the government may increase land density as it does not have a longer-term view of the amount of land that may be needed and that it has available. "Overall, this results in Singapore's land density increasing."

Mr Liu told BT that the 10 million figure was projected on how much Singapore could grow long term for the next 80-150 years at a population growth rate of less than one per cent each year. He said that if the growth rate were based on the upper limit of the projection of the 2013 White Paper, at 6.9 million, then Singapore could reach a population of 10 million by 2090. If however, it is based on the lower limit of 6.5 million then we may reach 10 million by 2200.

The director of RSP Architects & Engineers since 1992 and the founding chairman of the Centre for Liveable Cities said that, over time, Singapore's growth rate could contract with education, technology and productivity gains as is the case of the Scandinavian countries, which are small like Singapore, but still managed to achieve economic growth with a population growth of less than one per cent per year.

But this will take time, he added, as Singapore was not as mature as those economies and therefore still needed immigration to grow its population.

Even though he acknowledged that Singaporeans may be uncomfortable with the thought of the country ever having a population of 10 million, Mr Liu believes that it is better for the country to anticipate this and to plan for it so that the adjustment can be smoother.

"If you look at from 1960 till now, Singapore's land density has tripled but even with that, we have built a good environment through more skills and knowledge. So if we can do it then, Singaporeans should believe that we now have the ability to solve these problems and that we will have a good environment even though population density may increase."

Chew Hock Yong, CEO of the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and a panellist at the seminar, noted that while this projection of 10 million is Mr Liu's personal view, it will guarantee a critical mass for Singapore to thrive economically and in other areas. However, he admitted that there is a consideration of the human dimension and whether Singaporeans would be able to adjust to having twice the number of people and what kind of city-state they would like to live in. The seminar was organised by The Business Times in collaboration with Singapore Institute of Building Limited. It was supported by Hitachi and co-hosted by InterContinental Singapore.

 

[jw5]

Don't forget coffee shops and fast food outlets.

Vivian publicly stated he has plans for 3 mils, dunno if hawker center, food court or restaurant though.

 

[jw5]

Very nicely summarized.

pappies will say you cite reports out of context. they will also say there are contingency plans and there are real plans. they will also say some plans are simply proposals, opinions, and recommendations, and they will never materialize. they will also say some deserving plans will be debated within and outside the party to get max feedback, and if their pros outweigh the cons, they will formalize them for porlumparleement. if not tabled, debated, decided, and agreed to among the highest inner circle leeders, it’s not a (formal) plan (as you’re not privy to that godly circle). and thus you state a falsehood. heads they win tails you lose. just understand that in sg, they are divine and can bend laws of physics to change and define the universe. remember that polling station ruling? if a pappie is already within the polling station heshe is not within the forbidden radius of the polling station. that one deserves the nobel prize. very profound.

 

[jw5]

He won't win, so why bother?

So Is Chee going to sue for defamation on national tv ? He better.

 

[jw5]

Agree, forget about the 10 million. PAP will simply say they considered it but then decided on a lower number for the sake of silly sinkies.

Who can show document proof government pap commit signed they immediately wanted to increase population to 10mil??
If not it is just talking and opposition fake news.
You can never win pap by talking

Opposition should not mention the 10mil.
Instead they should just focusing on the fact of population percentage of foreigners now from history of last 10 years.
This will kick start the voters thinking

 

[jw5]

Before that, no erections. After erections, they will consider 10 million again.

All these years until Wednesday (1-7-2020),the Govt did not refute the allegations of 10 M population.

 

[mahjongking]

actually I want to know his secret for being able to raise 3 kids in Singapore without pay. His wife is also not working. He is practically living my retired dream, not working and yet can raise 3 kids.

i think he stay in 3rm flat in tpy, wife is doctor so maybe work in small clinic can survive

 

[vamjok]

i think he stay in 3rm flat in tpy, wife is doctor so maybe work in small clinic can survive

his wife is not a medical doctor if i am not wrong, a PhD in god knows what field. she is not working as far as i know based on past interviews.

 

[mahjongking]

I’m re-examining myself and my bias towards CSJ all these years.

I can only draw one conclusion- we need to look at issues from many directions before drawing conclusion, we cannot just rely on one single source for information, and for that matter first impressions really last.

i spoke to CSJ few times when i was buying his books, if what owen goh posted was true then CSJ was wrongfully accused in the media all these years....
his son was helping him to sells books at the mrt and was very well brought up and respectful,
i sincerely thinks that he wants to help the helpless sinkees but sinkees keeps condemning him, poor chap
sometimes i wonder why he even bothers, if i were him i go live overseas and can easily make a living instead of hawking books in raffles place
the only reason i can think of is, he damn stubborn wants to clear his name

 

[nayr69sg]

i spoke to CSJ few times when i was buying his books, if what owen goh posted was true then CSJ was wrongfully accused in the media all these years....
his son was helping him to sells books at the mrt and was very well brought up and respectful,
i sincerely thinks that he wants to help the helpless sinkees but sinkees keeps condemning him, poor chap

Yes. Very sad.

He has a good family and I am sure he is a very good father and husband and a good man.

Unfortunately politics isn't about how good a person is. In fact I would argue often it is the absolute liars and crooks who get elected.

Politics is one of those things you have one shot at it. If you fail and your name is tarnished it is very hard to come back from that.

It is the same everywhere. Which is why you dotn see long time unsuccessful politicians. They disappear or move to other things.

I hope CSJ does get voted in. I wish him all the best. Hopefully singaporeans can reward him for his hard work.

 

[mahjongking]

his wife is not a medical doctor if i am not wrong, a PhD in god knows what field. she is not working as far as i know based on past interviews.

sometimes sky got eyes, look at his beautiful wife and daughters,
then look at pinky's wife and old fart's wife and daughter.... enough said

 

[jw5]

As they say, heaven is fair.

sometimes sky got eyes, look at his beautiful wife and daughters,
then look at pinky's wife and old fart's wife and daughter.... enough said

 

[nayr69sg]

sometimes sky got eyes, look at his beautiful wife and daughters,
then look at pinky's wife and old fart's wife and daughter.... enough said

I wonder if CSJ is a happy person? I think he is.

Money doesn't necessarily buy happiness. And not having money doesn't necessarily mean people are unhappy.

I think CSJ is a strong Christian and has values.

I wish him all the best and happiness in life.