Anderson secondary spends $38,000 to teach 13 foreign students english

[kezgtree]

What are they doing in Singapore if they don't understand English?

NO worry...still accepted by our gahment with open arms, if not red carpet and many fribees...Damn it

 

[Papsmearer]

The way that I read the quote is that the tender is for 2 batches of students, but under one tender. One batch needs 300 hours of instruction in english and the other batch needs 200 hours. The school probably did a language assessement on these stdents when they first entered the school and determined their level of english. There are 13 students in the batch that needs 300 hours and 10 students in the batch that needs 200 hours. So, the total number of students is 23.

However, I suspect that these students are here on govt. scholarship. And if so, than really, the question becomes if their english is not good enough, how can they even get a scholarship? A scholarship is an academic based achievement, and if they cannot achieve a passable english level, than why do they get one.

Why is MOE tendering this out, when they have thousands of teachers, and I am sure that many of them can teach a "bridging english" course? Its not like this kind of education service is totally alien to the MOE. SOmeone should check into this X-Press Training Services. I never heard of them before. Are they owned by a relative of someone in the MOE?

 

[griffin]

Anderson Secondary School is a government school. The teaching staff there are all trained and certified by the National Institute of Education (NIE) which boasts a rich history. It bewilders me that a government school run by NIE-trained teachers are going to engage private tutors to coach their students in English. NIE-trained teachers are supposed to have quality. So when they seek external help it is a clear sign that something is fishy.

This issue raises the following questions:
(i) Are ASS teachers incompetent to teach?
(ii) Are external teachers more competent than NIE-trained teachers?
(iii) Are the external teachers from private schools NIE-trained?
(iv) What is the pre-qualification required by MOE for the foreign student to be eligible for enrollment in a government school?
(v) Is this the first time that such outsourcing has been done by a government school?

 

[AungSanSuShi]

Really ridiculous to sponsor foreigners to that extent while local students who are poor and cannot afford tuition - in any subject - are just left to their own devices..

Any Sinkie who is concerned about the future of our Sinkie kids should disseminate the post by xingguy all over Sinkapore's internet forums, especially NUS, NTU, junior colleges, secondary schools' forums.

 

[AungSanSuShi]

And if so, than really, the question becomes if their english is not good enough, how can they even get a scholarship? A scholarship is an academic based achievement, and if they cannot achieve a passable english level, than why do they get one.

Did you know that Pinky's government is trying to establish networks/connections with PRC officials? Some of these students may be offsprings of provincial- or county-level officials who are too poor to send the former to the UK or US.

Why is MOE tendering this out, when they have thousands of teachers, and I am sure that many of them can teach a "bridging english" course?

A little bird tells me there is a world of difference between the Engrish language subject learned at school by native Sinkie students and "Academic Engrish as ESL/EFL". Our MOE teachers aren't trained to teach "Academic Engrish for EFL students".

Its not like this kind of education service is totally alien to the MOE. SOmeone should check into this X-Press Training Services. I never heard of them before. Are they owned by a relative of someone in the MOE?

Ever heard of a S$2 company set up by AIM?

 

[MutterBerg]

IA retired teacher woefully related to me that the Min of Edun's recent move to rotate school principals every four years, has some weird consequences. When a new principal is posted to a school he/she will tinker with the existing system to show Hqrs that they are on the ball and they are calibre stuff. Probably Anderson Sec School squandering $38k of tax payers y is an example.

I recall a certain new principal changed the entire set of canteen vendors and many CCA instructors immediately after starting tenure. Won't the MOE check on such wayang as livelihood have been severely disrupted and definitely not an illustration of being on the ball. interestingly this principal is still not being rotated to another school after almost seven years.

 

[AungSanSuShi]

(i) Are ASS teachers incompetent to teach?

They may not be trained to teach academic Engrish for EFL students. Even CELTA and DELTA-qualified instructors need to be trained to teach academic Engrish.

(ii) Are external teachers more competent than NIE-trained teachers?

If NIE-trained teachers have not been certified to teach academic Engrish to EFL students, then yes, they are incompetent.

(iii) Are the external teachers from private schools NIE-trained?

See my answer to question (ii)

(iv) What is the pre-qualification required by MOE for the foreign student to be eligible for enrollment in a government school?

Are you referring to those black-and-white pre-qualifications published by MOE? There are hidden criteria too, one of which is how well connected the potential student is to PRC officials.

(v) Is this the first time that such outsourcing has been done by a government school?

No, if I remember it well, some well-known websites administered by the opposition have discussed it.

 

[borom]

Not only are locals not given help, they are deprived of places by these foreigners who cannot even speak English.

I have seen many foreign students with very poor command of the English language being given places in Express Course only to get 20% in exams and drop down to Normal Courses later on-thus depriving a local of his/her place in Express.

These English courses/bridging courses are also conducted for PRC's students admitted on scholarships to Polytechnics while locals have to fight tooth and nail to get admitted to the better courses.
Try talking to some of these PRC "scholars' and they could hardly speak a sentence in simply English.

The pappy makes lots of noises including taking out prime time TV adverts to boast about the so called Pioneer generation package whilst sneakily gives huge amounts in aids to foreigners who has done nothing for the country .

The WP should ask in parliament how much the PAP spent on such aids to foreigners since LHL becomes PM and highlight these disgusting facts in every election.

 

[tanwahtiu]

you don't get it? Here to learn English, what else.

What are they doing in Singapore if they don't understand English?

 

[Narong Wongwan]

I only know of this neighbourhood school because ex Gf Lisa Ang is an alumni.
I searched to see if any other famous ex students.....
Just a handful ones like Moe Alkaff, William Scorpion.....and surprise surprise even Ang Peng Siong.....I thought APS was an ACSian?

 

[blindswordsman]

Really ridiculous to sponsor foreigners to that extent while local students who are poor and cannot afford tuition - in any subject - are just left to their own devices..

FTsh are treasured species. Locals are rubbish to be dumped: MOE Heng Swee Keat who continues to tell us that foreign students will help Singapore in the long run.

 

[blindswordsman]

Not only are locals not given help, they are deprived of places by these foreigners who cannot even speak English.

I have seen many foreign students with very poor command of the English language being given places in Express Course only to get 20% in exams and drop down to Normal Courses later on-thus depriving a local of his/her place in Express.

These English courses/bridging courses are also conducted for PRC's students admitted on scholarships to Polytechnics while locals have to fight tooth and nail to get admitted to the better courses.
Try talking to some of these PRC "scholars' and they could hardly speak a sentence in simply English.

The pappy makes lots of noises including taking out prime time TV adverts to boast about the so called Pioneer generation package whilst sneakily gives huge amounts in aids to foreigners who has done nothing for the country .

The WP should ask in parliament how much the PAP spent on such aids to foreigners since LHL becomes PM and highlight these disgusting facts in every election.

The oppo parties could roar about these disgusting facts at every GE but still, there might 60% sinkies who were deaf and blind. It might take years to recover from deafness or blindness to see the real damages done to this country.

 

[jw5]

You do realise by now who started all these problems right?

The oppo parties could roar about these disgusting facts at every GE but still, there might 60% sinkies who were deaf and blind. It might take years to recover from deafness or blindness to see the real damages done to this country.

 

[laksaboy]

Not only are locals not given help, they are deprived of places by these foreigners who cannot even speak English.

I have seen many foreign students with very poor command of the English language being given places in Express Course only to get 20% in exams and drop down to Normal Courses later on-thus depriving a local of his/her place in Express.

These English courses/bridging courses are also conducted for PRC's students admitted on scholarships to Polytechnics while locals have to fight tooth and nail to get admitted to the better courses.
Try talking to some of these PRC "scholars' and they could hardly speak a sentence in simply English.

The pappy makes lots of noises including taking out prime time TV adverts to boast about the so called Pioneer generation package whilst sneakily gives huge amounts in aids to foreigners who has done nothing for the country .

The WP should ask in parliament how much the PAP spent on such aids to foreigners since LHL becomes PM and highlight these disgusting facts in every election.

Indeed. I have friends who studied at NTU in the early 2000s. During gatherings, they told me horrible stories about FT lecturers whose command of English was so poor that the students would be even more confused at the end of the lecture. Making an appointment and getting one-on-one clarification from the lecturer made it worse.

World class education hub.... :kma:

 

[Kuailan]

PAP parasites really treat PRC well and Sinkieporean has to pay for everything, including scholarship,
and PAP offer free Scholarship to PRC!! Fcuk Pay and Pay!! Take our tax payer money spend on Foreign Trash!!

 

[Stompiss]

question, how does TRS know the students are sponsored and not foreign paying students

Also is TRS aware that foreigners pay $650 a month to attend SG public schools? 2.9K is easily made back within the first few months

I believe I can fly, I believe I can touch them sky

 

[Papsmearer]

Anderson Secondary School is a government school. The teaching staff there are all trained and certified by the National Institute of Education (NIE) which boasts a rich history. It bewilders me that a government school run by NIE-trained teachers are going to engage private tutors to coach their students in English. NIE-trained teachers are supposed to have quality. So when they seek external help it is a clear sign that something is fishy.

This issue raises the following questions:
(i) Are ASS teachers incompetent to teach?
(ii) Are external teachers more competent than NIE-trained teachers?
(iii) Are the external teachers from private schools NIE-trained?
(iv) What is the pre-qualification required by MOE for the foreign student to be eligible for enrollment in a government school?
(v) Is this the first time that such outsourcing has been done by a government school?

The answer to many of your questions is that these students are here on scholarships. These students have no money to hire private tutors to improve their english. therefore, the MOE in addition to giving them a scholarship, now has to hire essentially private tutors to get their english standard up. There are many Chinese students who go to singapore to study english. That's why they are so many ESL schools in singapore. In China, ESL schools are a big business and many hire UK, Americans and Canadians to teach there. These students should have been made responsible to graduate with decent english from these schools in china before they are given a scholarship.

To date, I have not seen one single MOE statement laying out the criterias for these students to get a scholarship. Obviously, the ability to converse and write in english is not one of them. Its very simple, MOE should just go to China and administer the same final exams that SIngapore students get. Those PRC students interested in applying for the scholarship should just take the MOE exam. If their results are superior to that of a good singapore student, than I say they can get a scholarship.

Basically, we are training future citizens of the UK, US, etc. for free. These fuckers will come to SIngapore on the free scholarship, and than after they ride all the way to finish the Uni level, they will fuck care the bond and apply for PR from some western country as soon as they can. Why would they want to do NS and reservist here?

 

[Poomer]

question, how does TRS know the students are sponsored and not foreign paying students

Also is TRS aware that foreigners pay $650 a month to attend SG public schools? 2.9K is easily made back within the first few months

Are you sure the scholars pay $650 a month to attend SG public schools?

 

[Papsmearer]

you don't get it? Here to learn English, what else.

If they are here to learn just english, there are many private ESL schools that they can go to.

 

[Leongsam]

I know many Singaporean families whose lives were turned upside down because of the poor 2nd language skills of their children.

If this does not add salt to the festering wound, I don't know what does.