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Before we get brainwashed by old fart's musical productions, here are some real truths we ought to know about the old fart.
Copy and paste from TR Emeritus:
Truth or nothing:
February 8, 2014 at 12:05 am Truth or nothing (Quote)
I do not wish LKY to go yet for academic reasons.
I am an avid reader of Malaya’s past during WW2 especially in Spencer Chapman’s The Jungle Is Neutral. I believe LKY was in the forefront of the happenings in Singapore during the period although nothing in our history books has indicated his involvement.
I speculate that momentous happenings in Singapore then and possibly related to him may not appear in the historical records because these would possibly be inconvenient truths in politics. As a shrewd politician and survivor, he would have covered his tracks well.
Hopefully, though, now in his twilight years and more or less removed from today’s politics, he himself might volunteer to own up and reveal the real hard truths about what he might have done in the distant past. Otherwise, an invaluable opportunity to throw new light on the nation’s history might be forever lost upon his death.
First, LKY claimed he narrowly escaped death in a Sook Ching operation when no-nonsense Jap soldiers allowed themselves to accept his laughable reason so that he was excused from going up the lorry in which many Chinese Singaporeans were then herded into and killed in desolate beaches. Am I the only person who thinks he was blatantly lying to us here about his past?
I am inclined to think he was a key staff member of the Kempeitai himself and might have had put many of his own countrymen in harm’s way then. After all, it has been circulated on Wikipedia that he collaborated with the Japanese by tapping British communications for the Japanese Intelligence. If so, could he have a direct role in Lim Bo Seng’s eventual capture and torture to death by Japanese interrogators? Which other Force 136 patriots might he have betrayed?
Second, he fled to the Cameron Highlands when it became increasingly clear that the Japanese were losing the war. He claimed to have precariously evaded Japanese security operations in so doing. On the contrary, I believe he had enjoyed ease of movement precisely because he was with the Japanese intelligence.
We know that bands of anti-Japanese resistance fighters were on the rampage immediately after the Japanese surrender and before the return of the British Navy to Singapore to restore civic order. During this chaotic period, Chinese guerillas went from house to house to ferret out former Japanese collaborators and sympathizers and summarily executing them on the spot. I think LKY being a man of great foresight and shrewdness had made the first move to flee hence outwitting the Chinese guerillas before they got to him.
By uncovering the hard truths, we would also, if nothing else, contribute to the true history of the world. I hope serious historians from our universities should interview LKY and other relevant people before losing this valuable window of opportunity. This will enable future generations to appreciate the truths about our past and not be deceived by the contemporary propagandas of their times.
Rating: +34 (from 34 votes)
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Quanxi:
February 8, 2014 at 4:39 am Quanxi (Quote)
LKY once said in the 70's he will not allow personal glorification in Spore .
Look what we have now - LKY SCHOOL, LKY this and that. Pappies are full of hypocrisy and cannot be trusted .
Musical if presented truthfully must include:
1) Leefamilies purchased with deep discounts of high end condo Nassim Jade n Scot 28.
2) Nathan n LKY working as “translators” in Kempetai Japanese Army in WW 2 and their role in the killings of resistant fighters — eg how Lim Bo Seng our WW 2 hero was captured n tortured to death.
3) ISA True Archives — the Nazi style torture of detainees.
4) LKY ancestors from Semanrang engaging in opium import into S'pore.
5) LKY true parentage as there were strong rumors that his biological father is Dutch.
6) Devan Nair role in helping LKY in the early 60's and subsequently banished out of S'pore as ex-President, crying at the Johore beach facing spore, hoping to come back to spore one day.
7) Judiciary / Law Society – the lost pillars of S'pore justice system from the 70's onwards and the systematic destruction by one man we call LKY.
It will be simply wayang show if musical is trying to distort the real history of S'pore. More appropriate that this is sponsored by Leefamilies as they are now very wealthy.
Rating: +23 (from 23 votes)
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2016:
February 8, 2014 at 9:05 am 2016 (Quote)
Alvin Tan! What have you been smoking?
“his personal struggles, his vulnerabilities, his losses and victories, and how he sees the world.”
STRUGGLES?
He does not know the meaning of struggles. He does not have to worry about finding a job and paying his bills, and putting food on the table, to be in a country that has written you off at the ripe old age of 40, only to be replaced by cheaper under-trained FTs.
VULNERABILITIES?
He has no known vulnerabilities, just like his son, he is fireproof, if he cannot solve it, you will not see the sun for the next 27 years.
LOSSES?
Losses, he has never lost, if he looses, you will be made a bankrupt.
VICTORIES?
He has made sure he always wins, in one way or another, or he will spend an eternity finding ways to “fix” you.
SEE THE WORLD?
There is only on vision, his vision. if you go ‘against the flow’ you will be a marked man, and soon find yourself on his “to fix” list.
He has had his day, fixing, ruining, destroying, defaming, dismantling, dissolving, imprisoning, accusing, fabricating and corrupting – the time has come for him to return to dust, and to dust he will return – DEATH, IS THE ULTIMATE EQUALIZER old man, and soon you will be NOTHING but dust!
Rating: +14 (from 14 votes)
Copy and paste from TR Emeritus:
Truth or nothing:
February 8, 2014 at 12:05 am Truth or nothing (Quote)
I do not wish LKY to go yet for academic reasons.
I am an avid reader of Malaya’s past during WW2 especially in Spencer Chapman’s The Jungle Is Neutral. I believe LKY was in the forefront of the happenings in Singapore during the period although nothing in our history books has indicated his involvement.
I speculate that momentous happenings in Singapore then and possibly related to him may not appear in the historical records because these would possibly be inconvenient truths in politics. As a shrewd politician and survivor, he would have covered his tracks well.
Hopefully, though, now in his twilight years and more or less removed from today’s politics, he himself might volunteer to own up and reveal the real hard truths about what he might have done in the distant past. Otherwise, an invaluable opportunity to throw new light on the nation’s history might be forever lost upon his death.
First, LKY claimed he narrowly escaped death in a Sook Ching operation when no-nonsense Jap soldiers allowed themselves to accept his laughable reason so that he was excused from going up the lorry in which many Chinese Singaporeans were then herded into and killed in desolate beaches. Am I the only person who thinks he was blatantly lying to us here about his past?
I am inclined to think he was a key staff member of the Kempeitai himself and might have had put many of his own countrymen in harm’s way then. After all, it has been circulated on Wikipedia that he collaborated with the Japanese by tapping British communications for the Japanese Intelligence. If so, could he have a direct role in Lim Bo Seng’s eventual capture and torture to death by Japanese interrogators? Which other Force 136 patriots might he have betrayed?
Second, he fled to the Cameron Highlands when it became increasingly clear that the Japanese were losing the war. He claimed to have precariously evaded Japanese security operations in so doing. On the contrary, I believe he had enjoyed ease of movement precisely because he was with the Japanese intelligence.
We know that bands of anti-Japanese resistance fighters were on the rampage immediately after the Japanese surrender and before the return of the British Navy to Singapore to restore civic order. During this chaotic period, Chinese guerillas went from house to house to ferret out former Japanese collaborators and sympathizers and summarily executing them on the spot. I think LKY being a man of great foresight and shrewdness had made the first move to flee hence outwitting the Chinese guerillas before they got to him.
By uncovering the hard truths, we would also, if nothing else, contribute to the true history of the world. I hope serious historians from our universities should interview LKY and other relevant people before losing this valuable window of opportunity. This will enable future generations to appreciate the truths about our past and not be deceived by the contemporary propagandas of their times.
Rating: +34 (from 34 votes)
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Quanxi:
February 8, 2014 at 4:39 am Quanxi (Quote)
LKY once said in the 70's he will not allow personal glorification in Spore .
Look what we have now - LKY SCHOOL, LKY this and that. Pappies are full of hypocrisy and cannot be trusted .
Musical if presented truthfully must include:
1) Leefamilies purchased with deep discounts of high end condo Nassim Jade n Scot 28.
2) Nathan n LKY working as “translators” in Kempetai Japanese Army in WW 2 and their role in the killings of resistant fighters — eg how Lim Bo Seng our WW 2 hero was captured n tortured to death.
3) ISA True Archives — the Nazi style torture of detainees.
4) LKY ancestors from Semanrang engaging in opium import into S'pore.
5) LKY true parentage as there were strong rumors that his biological father is Dutch.
6) Devan Nair role in helping LKY in the early 60's and subsequently banished out of S'pore as ex-President, crying at the Johore beach facing spore, hoping to come back to spore one day.
7) Judiciary / Law Society – the lost pillars of S'pore justice system from the 70's onwards and the systematic destruction by one man we call LKY.
It will be simply wayang show if musical is trying to distort the real history of S'pore. More appropriate that this is sponsored by Leefamilies as they are now very wealthy.
Rating: +23 (from 23 votes)
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2016:
February 8, 2014 at 9:05 am 2016 (Quote)
Alvin Tan! What have you been smoking?
“his personal struggles, his vulnerabilities, his losses and victories, and how he sees the world.”
STRUGGLES?
He does not know the meaning of struggles. He does not have to worry about finding a job and paying his bills, and putting food on the table, to be in a country that has written you off at the ripe old age of 40, only to be replaced by cheaper under-trained FTs.
VULNERABILITIES?
He has no known vulnerabilities, just like his son, he is fireproof, if he cannot solve it, you will not see the sun for the next 27 years.
LOSSES?
Losses, he has never lost, if he looses, you will be made a bankrupt.
VICTORIES?
He has made sure he always wins, in one way or another, or he will spend an eternity finding ways to “fix” you.
SEE THE WORLD?
There is only on vision, his vision. if you go ‘against the flow’ you will be a marked man, and soon find yourself on his “to fix” list.
He has had his day, fixing, ruining, destroying, defaming, dismantling, dissolving, imprisoning, accusing, fabricating and corrupting – the time has come for him to return to dust, and to dust he will return – DEATH, IS THE ULTIMATE EQUALIZER old man, and soon you will be NOTHING but dust!
Rating: +14 (from 14 votes)
