Lucky Tan's view on SDP NOM

Goh Meng Seng

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The problem itself is not too difficult to understand.


In the last 20 years (1990-2009) median household income doubled while property prices more than quadrupled. When this happens, you borrow more to purchase your home and the cost of housing starts to cannibalize your retirement funds or your making it harder for you to achieve a good quality of life as a large part of your income goes to servicing your housing debt. As seen from what happened in Europe, Japan and USA, when housing prices rises too much relative to median income, it causes an expansion of housing debt (credit) that later causes severe economic problems when unsustainable housing prices fall. Over 45% of Singapore home loans have tenures exceeding 30 years[Link] and bank credit has expanded $460B from about $200B just 4 years ago.
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SDP's proposed solution to our housing problems is to have HDB build a class of flats (NOM = non open market) sell it at the cost of building to Singaporeans. To prevent profiteering, owners can only sell the flat back to HDB, I suppose at a roughly the same price adjusted for inflation and depreciation. The whole idea is to eliminate the possibility of huge profits from all parties - the owner and the HDB. Details of the scheme can be found here - SDP suggests selling price of $70K for 2 room flats and $240K for 5 room flats. Owners are not allowed to buy private property when they are on this scheme.

This idea is not completely new. When former Minister Mah was confronted with the problem of rising HDB prices was asked why new HDB flat prices are linked to OM (Open Market) prices. He replied that if there is no link then flat buyers can cash out on the open market making massive profits. He then said that if HDB sold flats cheaply then buyers would have to sell it back to the HDB for the same price to prevent such profits....so this idea did cross his mind.


Because there is no possibility of capital gains on either side, the NOM scheme approximates to a highly subsidized rental scheme in which a 'buyer' locks on to low rentals and chooses when he exits from the lease and get all his capital back. Banks would be ready to lend to such a scheme since it is no risk as the value of the property is guaranteed - they would be willing to lend the full amount and have you service only the monthly interest (since the risk of defaulting on the principal is zero) ...in which case, it looks like a pure subsidized rental scheme, in which you pay rent in the form of interest to the bank. A 'buyer' can also pay the full amount for the property and stays in it for free until he is done with it...he can just return the flat and gets back his entire 'deposit' adjusted for inflation and depreciation back.


Unlike other govts that depend on land sales to fund its annual budget, the Singapore govt today collects enough in tax revenue to fund its budget without proceeds from the sale of land. In Hong Kong, the govt includes proceeds from land sales in its revenue and uses much of it to fund its social programs. The proceeds from land sales which includes land sold to build HDB and private property goes straight into our reserves "filling govt coffers" so there is no question the govt can afford NOM but should our govt actually do something like NOM? Are there better ways to solve our housing problems?

For the lowest income bracket, the HDB already provides rental flats with highly subsided rentals. There is no choice unless we are willing to see homeless people because the rising income gap, rising housing cost and stagnant incomes of low wage earners have priced a segment of the population out of property and rental market. For newly weds and new home buyers, the govt provides grants that are supposed soften the impact of high property prices but the way the housing market has risen in the past decade means these grants are not enough to quell the rising unhappiness.

Singapore has not always been in this unhappy situation when it comes to housing. In the 90s, home prices were indeed affordable. Prices rose but did not become detached from median income and at one point, things were going so well, the HDB thought it could stop building rental flats and tear them down because even those in the lowest income bracket looked like they could have a shot at the Singapore dream of home ownership. But the next 2 decades did not turn out as expected. Today this high housing prices is a threat to the middleclass ...and it has created a growing underclass that cannot afford to own or rent a place. There is no govt in the world that does not intervene in the housing market in cities and completely leave it market forces [public housing around the world]. In Hong Kong, 31% live in heavily subsidized rental flats[Link] and 17% in discounted flats putting roughly half the population in public housing. Without these schemes, you will see about 10-20% of the HK population priced out of the market for decent homes living on the streets or slum housing. The free market is not going to produce a social outcome acceptable by most if not all modern societies. The question is not whether you should intervene but how much intervention is right.

The PAP govt could have kept housing on the right track by adequately supplying the market, regulating mortgage repayment period, putting restrictions on foreign buying and containing the foreign influx. The PAP did little as prices rose and Minister Khaw stepped in to do some of the things that should have been done when when Mah Bow Tan was minister. Whatever the intentions of the PAP govt, the govt coffers filled up as prices rose and the burden on Singaporean families became heavier allowing critics to accuse the govt of building reserves at the expense of Singaporeans. It does not help that the Singapore govt does not use the money for social programmes so Singaporeans see no benefit of those fat coffers built from money 'extracted' from them - Minister Mah made a critical error of saying that selling HDB flats more affordably would be equivalent to "raiding the reserves"[Link]. This remark destroyed any remaining trust that Mah would step up efforts to solve the housing problem. Minister Khaw is now doing what Mah should have done years ago but it really looks too little too late - prices are already too high.

Prices are too high.... so lets solve it by supplying the market with cheap flats with zero cost of land ...make sure nobody profits from it to prevent abuse - what can simpler than this? Unfortunately, unlike preventive medical care, public transport and university education, for housing, you cannot supply all demand for cheap housing. Suppose, the govt decides to give subsidized or free mammograms to Singaporean women above 40 years old, they can set aside the money and resources to meet all demand. But for the housing market this is just not true - the idea of pricing land at zero of near zero is highly problematic. Suppose NOM gets implemented tomorrow. HDB sells 5-room flats in Woodlands, Tiong Bahru and Bedok at the cost of construction, say $200K. The demand for flats in Tiong Bahru will be much higher than the other 2 locations - and you can't meet all the demand for Tiong Bahru because you only have so much land in Tiong Bahru. In a market system, the price of Tiong Bahru flat rises to price out some people and push them to other areas - the difference between a the price of a Tiong Bahru flat and an identical one in Woodlands is price of land. Since you can't meet all demand, you can try to ballot or allocate using a FCFS (first come first serve) queuing allocation so the property goes to those who are willing to queue ...in the case of a ballot system it goes to the person who is luckiest. If you price the Tiong Bahru flat higher to solve the problem, you end up doing the same thing as the market in a less elegant manner.

The NOM scheme is so attractive existing home owners will want to switch to it at some point in time. A person owning a 5 room worth $600K-$800K on the open market will sell it, use $200+K to get a NOM 5-room flat live in it for "free" keep the remaining $400K to $600K, whenever he wants he can get out of NOM and get his $200K back. There is no reason why a person staying in a 4 room flat worth $400K on the market wouldn't want sell it to switch to a 5 room NOM flat costing $200+K and keep the difference Who wouldn't want such a deal? You will see queues building up for sure because such a scheme will attract all existing flat owners who would like to encash their flats at the high prices we are seeing today. The queues will get so bad the scheme will probably fail. You can try to fix this by tightening the criteria for NOM, say by allowing only 1st time buyers to get on-board There is already something similar that the HDB does for 1st time buyers in the form of grants however these grants are not big enough to push 5room flat prices down to the $200+K level to do this the govt would have to give grants upwards of $200K. Since there is no way to meet all demand for these flats, you need apply a criteria to limit the demand - you have to limit and it makes sense to limit it to 1st time buyers to give everyone just one round of benefits from the scheme. Such a scheme will shift almost all the 1st time buyers from 2-4 rooms flats straight to 5 room flats.

There are 27,000 new marriages and the HDB can build about 25-35K flats with the current construction industry resources. If the land cost per 5 room flat is 200K, the govt forgoes $5.4B that is supposed to have gone into our reserves.

Once you get the qualification criteria restrictive enough to limit the demand to match what the HDB can supply and fix the problem of unequal demand for various locations, it looks almost like a free lunch for newly married Singaporeans....at the expense of growing our reserves. If the PAP has been spending the money from the land sales on nursing homes, pensions for the old or medical care for seniors ....then NOM would mean that the govt has to cut down on these to balance its budget and you would think twice about implementing NOM. The money from land sales can potentially to fund other social programs and we have to ask ourselves how we can best optimize our financial resources to maximum the gains for our society.

NOM once implemented becomes almost irreversible. I can't imagine giving one batch such a generous scheme then taking it away from the next.

There are underlying causes of the real estate boom that push prices up so fast relative to median income. The money to chase property up has to come from somewhere...if not from the income of Singaporeans, where was it coming from? Easy credit in the form of low interest rates is one factor, another is foreign speculators/investors and the large influx of foreigners that drove up demand. All of these could have been contained by the govt but nothing was done until the problem became so large. If you look at the housing bubbles around the world from Japan to USA to Spain to Ireland, they have all fallen apart and taken the real economy along with it. One suspect our decision makers and economic planners would like to keep the wheel spinning a little longer by persuading us to keep the door open to the foreign influx - but history has shown you cannot keep bubbles inflated for too long,,,,the bigger the bubble the greater the damage when it starts to deflate. While it is commendable that the SDP put forth a proposal to deal with the high price of property, what we may be grappling with in the coming years may not be the unaffordability of high property prices but the unsustainability of today's high prices....we just need to open our eyes to see what has happened to the economic powerhouses of Japan and US, when the artificial prosperity from high real estate prices vanished.....
 
As noted by Lucky, the SDP NOM is a de-facto subsidized rental scheme.

Lucky raises an interesting point that because the SDP NOM flats are so close to your standard HDB flats, there is likely to be a strong substitution effect. This will lead to long queues for NOM flats and a possible fall in price of standard HDB flats.

I tend to agree with Lucky's assessment. This provides more reasons for why we should have a normal subsidized rental scheme involving short term leases (e.g. 2 yrs) which can be renewed. Because these are significantly different from standard HDB flats, we minimize the impact on the existing HDB resale market. At the same time, we address the needs of those that need a place to stay but cannot afford / do not want to take a 30 year dual income mortgage.

It has recently come to light that the PAP has been running short term subsidized rental schemes for foreigners for a very long period of time (JTC has been running SHIFT since 1997). Only the PAP can answer why they can offer subsidized short term rentals (up to 40%) for foreigners but not for Singaporeans !
 
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There is a reason why people do not generally critique SDP proposals. Lucky must be having a slow day.

Ps. I wrote about JTC generous rental schemes for foreigners in SBF in early 2000. The numerous choices - $10 deposit for keys for each unit to be visited before selecting etc.
 
A positive aspect of this debate is that it has drawn attention to SHIFT.

Hopefully as people debate the issue, the relationship between EM Service Pte Ltd and HDB will emerge.

EM Services Pte Ltd as you know has been renting HDB flats out to foreigners on behalf of HDB.

For reasons known only to the PAP, Singaporeans who approach HDB for a rental flat have to wait for as long as 2 years. The HDB gives the reason that it has no rental flats available. FT can however rent flats immediately from the HDB via EM Services Pte Ltd.

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/hdbs-reply-on-flats-for-foreigners-a-conflict-of-interest/

There is a reason why people do not generally critique SDP proposals. Lucky must be having a slow day.

Ps. I wrote about JTC generous rental schemes for foreigners in SBF in early 2000. The numerous choices - $10 deposit for keys for each unit to be visited before selecting etc.
 
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Hi,

1) West and northwestern Singapore are slums anyway. If you like rental flats, we can continue to build all of them there. Rental flats would be a splendid way to populate the West!

2) With NOM, we can have minimal housing projects in the East to be handed out like lotto but it is still a great scheme to populate the less desirable locations without the high concentration of transient workers such as PRs and various pass owners loitering around my estate.

3) It is foolish to say conversion from OM to NOM is problematic if we restrict eligible converters to owners who have applied for the flat in the first place. Oh, and screw the PR peasants!

4) Long queues to convert? If the current OM price is greater than initial OM price, owners are unlikely to convert anyway. Lucky worries too much.

YOHOHOHOHO!
 
A Boxer will not improve without a sparring partner. If nobody is willing to critique SDP, SDP will not improve on their policy studies.

Goh Meng Seng


There is a reason why people do not generally critique SDP proposals. Lucky must be having a slow day.

Ps. I wrote about JTC generous rental schemes for foreigners in SBF in early 2000. The numerous choices - $10 deposit for keys for each unit to be visited before selecting etc.
 
Lucky Tan's analyses are normally quite well argued. I have no problem with this particular one . One thing LT did not point out is selling the OM flat and moving into a NOM is such an attractive idea that almost all will be tempted to do this. When that happens, another surprise will greet all flat sellers. There will be many more sellers and fewer buyers (possibly PRs, if they are restricted from NOM). In that OM situation, the price will fall and fall badly. We can see a lot of unhappy people, especially those who have earlier purchased their flats on the secondary market. Let's say, you put in a restriction to prevent existing flat owners from buying NOM. Again there will surely be unhappiness again as this category of people will feel denied of heavily subsidised housing.

As I have mentioned in another thread, no scheme is workable on a standalone basis, without taking into account what schemes are already in place.
 
One thing LT did not point out is selling the OM flat and moving into a NOM is such an attractive idea that almost all will be tempted to do this.

Clearly you did not read the bloody report. As I understand only first time buyers can purchase NOM, and only those who bought directly from HDB can convert their OM to NOM. I can see why public consultation for policies is a bad thing when literate people don't bother to read into the details. YOHOHOHOHO!
 
Clearly you did not read the bloody report. As I understand only first time buyers can purchase NOM, and only those who bought directly from HDB can convert their OM to NOM. I can see why public consultation for policies is a bad thing when literate people don't bother to read into the details. YOHOHOHOHO!

That is why I said there would be many unhappy people. A scheme just to benefit a select number in a very big way is not going to go down well. It tells as much on the quality of thinking that has gone into the report.
 
That is why I said there would be many unhappy people. A scheme just to benefit a select number in a very big way is not going to go down well. It tells as much on the quality of thinking that has gone into the report.

There is no capital gains for NOM flats, no benefits there obviously.
Possibly greater lifetime savings if not used to pay for housing, yes.

I fail to see who or how it would "benefit a select number in a very big way" as you suggested. :*:
 
There is no capital gains for NOM flats, no benefits there obviously.
Possibly greater lifetime savings if not used to pay for housing, yes.

I fail to see who or how it would "benefit a select number in a very big way" as you suggested. :*:
If there is no benefit, why is SDP making this proposal?
 
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There is no capital gains for NOM flats, no benefits there obviously.
Possibly greater lifetime savings if not used to pay for housing, yes.

I fail to see who or how it would "benefit a select number in a very big way" as you suggested. :*:

If there is no benefit, why is SDP making this proposal?

There, I bolded the words in case you missed the quotation marks. If there are very substantial ones, why aren't you saying? :*:
 
There, I bolded the words in case you missed the quotation marks. If there are very substantial ones, why aren't you saying? :*:

If you read carefully, you will not be bolding this because what I said was the benefit was very substantial but only limited to first timers, a small number compared to the total number of HDB householders. Because this substantial number of people are denied this substantial benefit, it will present a major problem in implementation.

On the other hand, if it is as you have said, there are no benefits in the scheme, then of course, those who have purchased OM flats will not be unhappy but not many people will opt for the NOM flats either. Your choice, which angle do you wish to argue this?
 
If you read carefully, you will not be bolding this because what I said was the benefit was very substantial but only limited to first timers, a small number compared to the total number of HDB householders. Because this substantial number of people are denied this substantial benefit, it will present a major problem in implementation.

Minimum wage will not benefit the majority of Singaporeans since only low income earners will benefit from the scheme. If a substantial number of people are denied this substantial benefit, does it mean there wull be major problems in implementation? Sorry, but the logic does not follow.

On the other hand, if it is as you have said, there are no benefits in the scheme,

Which I did not

then of course, those who have purchased OM flats will not be unhappy

Oh they will, especially if they bought resale flats.

but not many people will opt for the NOM flats either.

I don't think so. Given the current price of new flats, some people might opt for a NOM instead. The biggest factor influencing the decision between a NOM or OM for new flatowners IMHO is capital appreciation of property, which they now have a choice on whether to participate in it or not.

Your choice, which angle do you wish to argue this?

Probably the latter. You are welcome to develop either angles or open a new front if you prefer.
 
1. You are 2:1 in Economics, you should know this better than anyone why the proposal is hollow and has no basis.

2. When you floated the Finland model nearly 8 years ago it had legs to some extent and worthy of discussion.

3. Lucky is an alumnus of SBF and he is absolutely right. I just felt that he was stating the obvious in view of a slow day.

Proposals that come from SDP over the years are highly polished, well presented and easy on the eye. But anyone who has a decent level background on the subject at hand will immediately come to conclusion that something is amiss because no one who could write so well can get it so wrong.

People who push populist policies to gain votes tend to push models that are not optimal but workable for period of time but with a bent to attract votes. SDP policies are not populist policies and I always wondered why they are written in this manner. There is a clear consistent pattern in the way these come out. The style and content are similar.

In the western democracies when ranking opposition parties float a public policy as an alternative, they will get an independent recognised research firm to authenticate its feasibility. When it done close to elections, detailed costings are also called for. Sometimes a number of agencies will attempt to validate these to raise their competency profile. We don't have that luxury. So people tend to get away. the

When Lim Kim San Led the HDB, operating principles were sound;

`1. An opportunity to own a home and build equity

2. To have a stake in this country

3. Blocks were set aside for those who were less well off and could only rent. They did not have to see MPs or seek special favours

4. When you got married, you did not have to wait or pay ahead, you applied and within a reasonable period of times you were called for balloting. And it was affordable.

The only thing I would disagree is that they paid market rates and not heavily subsidised as PAP claims.

Mah Bow Tan, Prime Minister and the cabinet must take responsibility for what happened. Its is an obvious disaster and heads must roll. The fact that Mah was sacked is obvious.













A Boxer will not improve without a sparring partner. If nobody is willing to critique SDP, SDP will not improve on their policy studies.

Goh Meng Seng
 
Perhaps it is but an opening gambit? NOM flat proposal would be a good precursor to debate just how much the gobblemen should subsidize for units built in choice locations.

Expansion of flats open for rental by Singaporeans might also be workable. However areas designated as rental flats tend to devolve into slums which will certainly have an impact on property prices.
 
Minimum wage will not benefit the majority of Singaporeans since only low income earners will benefit from the scheme. If a substantial number of people are denied this substantial benefit, does it mean there wull be major problems in implementation? Sorry, but the logic does not follow.

Which I did not

Oh they will, especially if they bought resale flats.

I don't think so. Given the current price of new flats, some people might opt for a NOM instead. The biggest factor influencing the decision between a NOM or OM for new flatowners IMHO is capital appreciation of property, which they now have a choice on whether to participate in it or not.

Probably the latter. You are welcome to develop either angles or open a new front if you prefer.

Since you say you prefer the latter angle of looking at the proposal, then there is no great benefits to people in the scheme and people who are denied this scheme will not feel unhappy. Then why would people who buy resale and OM flats be happy to buy this - there is no capital gain and restricted to selling back to HDB?

Maybe you have indicated a wrong angle to look at this proposal but I agree this angle is certainly the angle that makes the least people unhappy but at the same the one with the least merit.

I don't understand why you raise the Minimum Wage issue for analogy. Minimum Wage affects directly the one having the minimum wage and nobody else but the benefits of a highly subsidised housing will benefit everybody and of course it will cause unhappiness to me if I am not given this benefit. Unless you are saying there is no real benefit, then there is little merit in the proposal.
 
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I am not saying rental schemes or subsidised schemes are no good. Despite what you have said, there are benefits to be gained by participating in these. The fact that there are in place many highly expensive public housing makes the contrast even more stark. Any housing scheme cannot be implemented in isolation without consideration of the status quo, a legacy inherited from the PAP. You think it is so easy to undo so many years of bad policies by the present Govt? It is an immense headache for anyone taking up the task.
 
As mentioned repeatedly, the PAP have been providing subsidied rental flats to foreigners for years. There is no empirical evidence to support these assertions of slums and other imaginary horrors.

The salient points which you raised for the NOM seem to be restrictions to contain the substituition effect. Unfortunately they have the effect of making the NOM wasteful and ineffective in helping those who are in need. Not every Singaporean who needs help with housing is a first time buyer. For those that are first time buyers, not every first time buyer needs help. By providing such a large subsidy in the form of NOM, you would be encouraging people to game the system for profit while failling to provide help to those who really need a roof over their head.

For the conversion of OM to NOM for first time buyers, I am at loss as to the intent of the policy. The policy seems to fix people to one place in Singapore and provide a large financial disincentive for any movement. This is unrealistic and imposes a large amount of hardship. Depending on the changing circumstances in their lives, people have all sorts of reasons to move. These range from changes to employment to parents falling ill to where their children go to school. The OM to NOM conversion only for direct HDB buyers would impose a financial penalty on these persons with legitimate reasons.

Perhaps it is but an opening gambit? NOM flat proposal would be a good precursor to debate just how much the gobblemen should subsidize for units built in choice locations.

Expansion of flats open for rental by Singaporeans might also be workable. However areas designated as rental flats tend to devolve into slums which will certainly have an impact on property prices.
 
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Yes, you are right. The problem with Singapore opposition parties at large is that we do not have the luxury of getting independent research institutions to do feasibility studies.

I do share some of your points there... why SDP policies are written in such a way and it seems that there is a certain pattern. I hope SDP will try harder. Get someone who have a solid background on economics and/or sociology or social studies to do some serious policy studies.

Opposition parties in Singapore have to get their acts together and be professional in their dealings, especially in policy studies. Unfortunately, almost all of them except WP and SDP, do not have the funding to do that. WP, with 6+2 MPs, should have enough funding to employ researchers to do serious policy studies. However, I do not see them doing that at the moment. They are making very fundamental and basic mistakes in their policy discourse... apart from that MX9 issue, their housing policy is all screwed up.... I just palm my face when I heard that line about increasing subsidies for buyers! Apparently they don't even know the fundamental root of the problems just yet.


Goh Meng Seng




1. You are 2:1 in Economics, you should know this better than anyone why the proposal is hollow and has no basis.

2. When you floated the Finland model nearly 8 years ago it had legs to some extent and worthy of discussion.

3. Lucky is an alumnus of SBF and he is absolutely right. I just felt that he was stating the obvious in view of a slow day.

Proposals that come from SDP over the years are highly polished, well presented and easy on the eye. But anyone who has a decent level background on the subject at hand will immediately come to conclusion that something is amiss because no one who could write so well can get it so wrong.

People who push populist policies to gain votes tend to push models that are not optimal but workable for period of time but with a bent to attract votes. SDP policies are not populist policies and I always wondered why they are written in this manner. There is a clear consistent pattern in the way these come out. The style and content are similar.

In the western democracies when ranking opposition parties float a public policy as an alternative, they will get an independent recognised research firm to authenticate its feasibility. When it done close to elections, detailed costings are also called for. Sometimes a number of agencies will attempt to validate these to raise their competency profile. We don't have that luxury. So people tend to get away. the

When Lim Kim San Led the HDB, operating principles were sound;

`1. An opportunity to own a home and build equity

2. To have a stake in this country

3. Blocks were set aside for those who were less well off and could only rent. They did not have to see MPs or seek special favours

4. When you got married, you did not have to wait or pay ahead, you applied and within a reasonable period of times you were called for balloting. And it was affordable.

The only thing I would disagree is that they paid market rates and not heavily subsidised as PAP claims.

Mah Bow Tan, Prime Minister and the cabinet must take responsibility for what happened. Its is an obvious disaster and heads must roll. The fact that Mah was sacked is obvious.
 
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